746 Responses

1. Kay Says:
   June 27th, 2009 at 11:16 am

   Dr. Conrad Murray did his residency at Loma Linda University Hospital in Loma Linda, CA not in Tennesse.

2. YAHWEH GOD ALMIGHTY Says:
   June 28th, 2009 at 1:01 am

   This Son of mine calling himself a Doctor is a quack, no one should have trusted him!! he has been no good since day one the day that he started his practice! He did not listen to Me when I talked to him over his earloabs, you all can hear me ther it is so simple, long story. He degraded Michael and I ordered him to never again put his hands on my son,but did he listen?! don’t think so, so I got something for that clown!! yes THIS IS GOD, I made this here invention, the internet and can come across it as often as I please, I’ll get my messages out no matter what I use! he is responsible for the passing on of Michael from one planet to another, for heaven is a planet. He helped in the skam, they had long time waited for the arrival of that day, for they had plotted to kill Mike and plotted to get his estate. no matter the color, evil is evil!! now the rest are espanic and caucasion who had a hand in on the so called murder, for that what they were attempting to do, but I rescued him in a nick of time. The men from the ambulance service were not true workers, they were pretenders, long time plotters, they applied cpr after they themselves cause the suffering, by deleteing the oxygen from my son as much as they could, not by applying help, aid, you see, this was all a set up, made to look like help, Theres more but you’ll have to go to my site at “FREE PRESS RELEASE.COM’ click on ‘MICHAEL JACKSON WAS taken by YAHWEH GOD his 1st Dad they are together now, he’s still alive” SHALOM, from DAD, GOD YAHWEH YHWH AND SARAI MY MEDIUM who is typing this as she listens to me, shes wonderful.

3. Ellen Says:
   June 28th, 2009 at 11:04 am

   I agree with the first response (Kay), Dr. Conrad Murray according to http://www.mdnationwide.org did his residency in Internal Medicine, Loma Linda University Medical Center, Loma Linda, CA, 91-92. He also had a Interventional Cardiology fellowship at University of California, San Diego, CA, 95-96. Also, according to the site http://www.mdnationwide.org, when Michael Jackson died, Dr. Conrad Murray was not board-certified in cardiovascular disease (cardiology) or even internal medicine. MDNationwide.org rated this particular physician a 6 out of 10, according to their ratings.

   I looked at a few other sites, however most offered limited information, therefore I found mdnationwide.org offered more data.

   My heart goes out to Michael Jacksons family, friends, and fans.

   Rest-in-peace MICHAEL.

   Thanks

   Ellen

4. Gertha Giles Says:
   July 1st, 2009 at 12:12 am

   To me Dr, Murray is just as wonderful a person as Michael Jackson, even moreso, because I know of him personally. He is one of the most beautiful people you would ever want to meet. I know that is why Michael Jackson chose him to be his personal doctor. How wonderful and tragic and how distorted the truth has become

5. Pullitsurprize Says:
   July 1st, 2009 at 6:35 am

   It’s apparent to me that the caller on the 911 tape described Jackson’s lifeless body on the bed being “pumped” by his personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murry. Yet, Dr. Murry’s initial assessment was that Jackson had a slight pulse but was unresponsive. I’ve got two problems with these allegations. The first is why perform cardio on someone with a weak pulse and the second is why didn’t the Dr. place Jackson’s body on the floor prior to beginning CPR? If true, both are errors I would only expect from either an inexperienced or incompetent healthcare provider. I know they’re out there but it is still difficult to fathom a medical doctor (especially a heart specialist)would be so flustered as to perform so poorly even under the most stressful conditions. Someone here wrote that he ( Dr. Murry)was an extremely nice and caring physician. The statement wreaks of naiveté and is a common oversight from many who rely on a Dr’s words and care without question. A great lesson to be learned by all. The medical board should thoroughly investigate Dr. Murry’s actions and care of his patients.

6. M.Kukes Says:
   July 6th, 2009 at 2:52 am

   The comment is: Why I do not trust “He (whoever, maybe even Conrad Murray) is a wonderful doctor” sort of opinions. The explanation follows:
   It is commonly accepted that dolphins are nice animals. So they are indeed: looking friendly with their smile looking face, told to have intellect almost (or even more) powerful than that of humant etc. They are so smart that if someone (maybe you) is swimming away from shore and are having troubles and are too far from the shore to call adequately for help, if someone is lucky enough to be near (just by chance) near some dolphine then the dolphine will push this lucky guy back to the shore to safe location.
   In reality it all is not as good at all: dolphins are just playing. They are pushing people actually at random directions. Those who are lucky then get to the shore and have a chance to tell their stories. Others (forced to opposite directions) just do not tell anything anymore.

   I had never been any kind of MJ fan - and I am not. Although I perhaps will by some CDs of him now.

   Just as a medical doctor (addicted to different sorts of conspiracy theories, I should add to be fair) I can say that what I am reading right now on news servers looks really suspicious regarding Mr. Murray’s qualifications, skills and abilities. Right now on Russian Wikipedia page on MJ death it is said that he (Dr. Murray) discovered MJ in bed not breathing and it took him 30 minutes to call for SEQURITIES in Neverland because there was no telephone in the bedroom and he did not want to make a call with his cellular phone since he “did not know the address” (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0_%D0%94%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0). I do not know, this looks sort of very strange. VERY strange!

7. Me Says:
   July 12th, 2009 at 5:26 am

   Looks like this story is bringing out the fruitloops. Someone needs to go back to their planet Mr yahweh

8. Hannamarie Says:
   July 28th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

   Give me a frackin break! Jackson’s death is all someone else’s fault? How convenient! He knew the injections he had been asking for along with all the other prescript meds could be lethal…but then who thought..including Micheal.. that “it” could happen to him. Word of Warning: Don’t take unneccesary heavy duty drugs…death is a possible side effect!

   I am sad he is gone…but lets learn from hs mistake, instead of trying to make someone else pay for Micheal Jacksons’s own mistakes in judgement.

9. Jackie Says:
   July 29th, 2009 at 3:29 am

   How can he call him self a doctor after giving MJ some drug and fell a sleep he killed MJ he is the world worst doctor

10. Kate Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 5:23 am

    Hannamarie yes, but every doctor make The Hippocratic Oath and it’s his bloody responsibility to help his patient, even if it means that he must say “no”.
    Michael Jackson was rich, but he wasn’t a doctor, he could think that it was safe, or even lie, to get those drugs. But no doctor should give it to him!
    That’s why I think that Murray and every docs like him should be punished and their licences should be canceled

11. Weismonger Says:
    August 19th, 2009 at 10:09 am

    Conrad Murray is from Grenada. How he was able to get into the US, who paid for his college and medical education…how long he has been in the U S. Is he a legal citizen is of great interest to me. And…just who introduced MJ to Murray and why is also of interest. I find it plausible that MJ hired Murray because no American-born physician would engage in such shenanigans. If you want to see what kind of bizarre minds Africans have…just read: Afrik.com.

    Kanye West’s mother was also killed by an “African” plastic surgeon…who got through school as a result of Affirmative Action.

    When are people going to learn that Affirmative Action stands for nothing but “giving” degrees and college educations to those who are “stupid.”

12. mister reason Says:
    August 25th, 2009 at 6:53 am

    weismonger try living up to that name that is the most bias and racist comment i have read . and you know what i am not even AFRICAN try jesus he heals.

13. Norma Says:
    August 27th, 2009 at 4:34 am

    I’d like to know how many patients, has Dr.Conrad Murray
    lost, or killed since starting
    his practice, through his out-
    rageous, contemptuous behaviour?

14. Gertha Giles Says:
    August 28th, 2009 at 9:43 am

    I see we have not come very far in this debate about Dr. Murray. Of all the comments that I have read, none of them include DR. ARNOLD KLEIN as the suspect who started the death wish on Michael Jackson. 2)After Michael left rehearsal the night before he died, followed up with a visit with DR.ARNOLD KELIN near midnight before he went home. WHY WAS MICHAEL AT DR. KLEIN’S OFFICE OR HOME AFTER MIDNIGHT???????? You’ve got it. For an injection or some drug to help him to sleep, you think. 3)So don’t be so naive and blind to the true murder with a motive. Motive number one, ruin Michael before the performance and two, let Dr. Murray take all the blame. 4)Dr. Murray didn’t know that Michael had seen DR. KLEIN before he came homethat night. QUESTION THE DRIVER ABOUT MICHAEL’S VISIT TO DR.ARNOLD KLEIN AFTER REHEARSAL. Klein is using every distraction that he can think of to take the spotlight off of himself. He’s using the children for a distraction, he twenty years of using Michael, ugly Rowe who doesn’t know who the father is on and on. ARNOLD KLEIN COULDN’T PAY HIS OFFICE RENT AS SOON AS MICHAEL DIED. OBVIOUSLY HE SHOULD BE DRUG TESTED AS WELL. 5)WHEN YOU find out what DR.ARNOLD KLEIN gave Michael first, then you need to learn some more names before you try to destroy DR. MURRAY. 6)ARNOLD KLEIN, ARNOLD KLEIN, ARNOLD KLEIN, ARNOLD KLEIN, ARNOLD KLEIN THE bisexual skin doctor.
    FOCUS ON WHO CAUSED MICHAEL’S DEATH.

15. Abiodun Ilori Says:
    September 2nd, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    I think Weismonger’s comment is unfair to Africans. You are entitled to your own opinion but you should not just make statement that are not true or general publicly. Its a pity that MJ had to die this way and even Africans are feeling the pain of his loss too. I have been a fan of MJ even as a little girl in Africa. There are so many African doctors all over the world doing very well. Dr. Murray’s issue is not about the race, it is about him as a person. I have friends that studied in best American schools and came out top in their classes. I think if you do your online search very well, you will find many African minds that are wonderful and creative. I am 100% sure you have not been to any African country and probably think Ghana is in Asia. Instead of sitting in your world and forming a picture of Africans in your little mind, why not go online and explore the beauty and greatness of Africa. Its there, you just have to open your eyes and heart to see it.

16. Samantha Delynne Says:
    September 22nd, 2009 at 8:03 am

    I say that LaToya Jackson should Take Dr Conrad murray to court for letting her Brother Michael to die.On June 25th 2009.I say that LaToya needs to make Dr murray pay.Michael Jackson 80s pop Icon isnt Alive Anymore.I hope that Dr murray Realizes what he has done.LaToya Lost her Brother Michael.

17. angie Says:
    November 1st, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    for 150000 dollars per month michael would found any doctor who give him anything he want. because he did not take a no for a answer. for that monthly payment a lot other docters would have done it and michael was old and wise enough that he knew that was not healty.for that kind of money people melt like butter in the sun. michael knew he get anything for a surtine price of money cause he had no relation to his on finance. i bet he did not know how much money he had.heard he did not even had a bank accound. he left his finance in other peoples hands.he would not even know if they ript him off.

18. carmen Says:
    December 13th, 2009 at 3:32 am

    Dr murry asked for $1mil a month and he says he got only $100K a month! AEG paid dr murry $1Mil a month to assist them to force Michael’s cooperation and to go to jail for a maximum of 3 years, in exchange for $40Mil dispersed in over 4years in offshore accounts!
    Dr murry: proud graduate of university of ’some school non can agree on’, father to six or seven or eight kids with about six or seven women, wife beater, drunk, bankrupt in two different states, with leans on every property he owns, and malpractice judgments in memory of his file etc etc..!
    AEG took $210mil dollars the opening week of ‘This is it’ and never has to pay Michael the $500Mil signed on the contract!
    AEG large real estate investor with a majority of investments in an broken real estate market refused to pay Britney Spears $360MIL and Randy Phillips had a panic attack on Forbes magazine vowing to never pay anyone more the $300mil contract; yet weeks later they sign Michael Jackson with $500MIL and immediately issolate him from family and friends and fire old employees of Jackson and replace them with AEG hired/subcontracted stuff! Bodyguard. Brings in. Dr murry for the children!
    If Michael was part of this hoax don’t you think he would have prepared his children instead of calling last minute Prince upstairs the morning of june 25th while he was having a heart attack! Dr. Murry called upstairs Prince after Michael had a ‘heart attack’ not his two younger children!
    At the hospital, family and friends ID ed a Michael around 3pm who was still warm despite that he had a heart attack at around 11 40 am -dr murry time! He has a needle mark on his neck! A common place were struggling fighting patients are injected powerful sedatives! Sedatives strong enough to make someone look dead, but reversible!!
    Appearances of Michael Jackson alive after 25th are staged with both actors/dancers as well as real Michael Jackson so that everybody thinks that he -Michael- is staging this hoax, this way nobody comes looking for Michael Jackson - not even when he stops publishing music and disappears!
    All along AEG gets all the publishing rights to Jackson music without having to pay the $500Mil bill + expenses they owe Michael Jackson keeping Michael alive in humiliation and suffering under constant threat of death and or harm to the children, AEG squizes every last sound that could sell out of Michael in return for less torture and humiliation! Never having to pay a dime of the $500mil, or the house in Europe, just a tiny consolation fee to the Jackson estate!
    Don’t forget! Tim Liewinski of AEG cried like a woman when he got asked to pay $4mil to the state for the memorial, Randy Phillips turned blue in the face in an interview with Forbes magazine when he was asked why he refused to sign Britney for $360mil, almost screeched that he will never pay any artist more then $360mil, yet weeks later they sign Michael for $500mil + expenses, in a very lucrative contract that give AEG full rights to all ‘This is it’ material and all music they re-made of Michael Jackson which gives them rights to just about all the music with Michael Jackson name on it!
    Michael Jackson would never hurt or abandon his children on purpose; but he would do anything for them, even cooperate with vicious abductors!!!

19. carmen Says:
    December 13th, 2009 at 3:42 am

    Dr. Murry ‘best cardiologist’?! He has more then one malpractice convictions, with numerous leans against his properties, bankrupt in 2 states, drunk, rumored wife abuser, has six or seven kids with six or seven women all looking for child support! He gave ‘CPR to a 136p man in bad! He didn’t call 911 for 40min because he didn’t know the address of the house he has been living at for month! He disapered after the ambulance left! He can barely mumble a sentence!

20. Zamzam Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 8:03 am

    when i get dr conrad murray why did u kill michael jackson was it because he changed his colour when i went on the internet and wrote your name on google image no afence but i thought u were white turns out you were black and im black to you should be a shamed of your self killing people that are your kind

21. carmen Says:
    December 15th, 2009 at 12:00 am

    Dr. Murry didn’t kill Michael because AEG still needs Michael to complete the music they have to make money and publish! He just sadated Michael at the hospital before the family was allowed to see a knocked out Michael and IDed him thinking he is dead! Michael was still warm to the touch at 3pm more then 2 and a half hours after he had a heart attck, with a niddle mark on his neck, a common place struggling/ uncooerating pacients get shot with sedatives, for the sedative to be most effective, extremely torture painful location to get a shot! That is were Dr. Murry disapeared immediately and in a hurry after he got to the hospital!
    After Michael was out cold, they needed someone to ID him as dead, so offcourse no doctor would do that not even Murry is not that stupid, so they brought in his family, children, mother, brother, manager, etc etc that offcourse ID him immediately and described him as looking like he was sleeping and still warm to the touch! These people obviosly didn’t know that 2 and half hours after someone is brought in having suffered a heart attack, 40min prior to the ambulance being called, and without any single rececitation cannot possibly still be warm to the touch but should be cold wet clammy and with the eye lids open and the eyes in the back of the head! Not very peaceful look and not warm to the touch! Remember the ambulance never revived him, not even once!
    Here’s some of the proof that Michael is not behind this hoax but AEG is; after june 25 the anusual circumstances around Michael’s ‘death’, Dr Murry administered CPR to a 50 years old man in bed, waited to call 911 40 min after the ‘heart attck’ but made personal calls on his cell phone, Dr Murry called upstairs Prince, not Paris, not Blanke, but Prince the older son, to show him Michael dead, according to Dr Murry!
    Why would a cardiologist that just lost a pacient call upstairs Prince and not tell chef Kai, that I am sure had a cell phone, that Michael needed an ambulance?! According to Chef Kai, DR Murry came running down the stairs calling for Prince and saying something happened, not he needed ambulance, not help, not nothing, just something happened! Who would call for Prince upstairs last minute?! Only one person who would do that, Michael and that is only possible if he didn’t have a heart attack but if he just had been informed of this hoax and he wanted to protect his son! Why tell only Prince and not the other two kids; did Michael love less Paris and Blanket and wants them to suffer?! No, but if there was a dangerous situation unfolding upstairs he wouldn’t tell the younger kids who most likely would panic and get scared if they realized their father was being kiddnaped!
    If Michael faked his death, why would he not prepare all his children, including Paris and Blanket, why would he only wait until last minute to just say goodbye to Prince only and let the other kids in the dark to suffer,and why not prepare Prince for the ID at the hospital?! Perhaps becaus he was surprised with this hoax and then forced into cooperation with the kiddnapers for the safety of his children!
    Michael would never abandon or hurt his children; but he would do anything to protect them, including cooperate with abductors to pretend he is dead and/or to convince everyone he doesn’t want to be found!!! The internet is full of stories of hoaxes all with identical montages and music saying that even if Michael’s alive he doesn’t want to be found!
    Here’s more proof that AEG is behind this hoax and they have no intention to release Michael and have every intention to kill him after they no longer need him to complete music they can sell: when the informed news makers and other people started to get suspecious of the circumstances of Michael’s ‘death’, AEG brought Michael on Larry King as Dave Dave, introduced him to MiKo Brando, long time friend of Michael for credibility, I am sure had Michael scared to death before this show- DO NOT FORGET, MICHAEL IS THE FATHER OF 3 YOUNG KIDS, and HE WILL DO ANYTHING TO PROTECT THEM- KIDS THAT RANDY PHILLIPS AND HIS ARMED GUARDS HAVE PERSONAL ACCESS TO ANYDAY HE WANTS, and then tryed to convince the public and the rest of the Jackson cavalry that Michael is behind this hoax so nobody come look for him!!!!
    Here’s some testemonial proof that Michael is alive: Dr. Murry took 40min to call ambulance, claimed to give baby CPR to a 50year old man, Prince got called upstairts but chef kai wasn’t told to call ambulance, the kids look scared and emotionaly traumatized! Those tears were so real I almost felt the pain and I am not a fan!!! I couldn’t name one single Michael Jackson song prior to june 25th but the moment I saw that ambulance and those body guards I said that looks like a crime being commited before our very eyes and I collected and storred in safety deposit boxes every shread of evidence by any means possible !!!
    Dave Dave was Not on Larry King that day, probably got asked to say he was by Michael on a phone call, as a favor! This act done, to convince everyone that Michael, cruel Michael is behind this hoax and behind subjecting his kids and fans to severe pain, so nobody bother come looking for Michael!!!
    Shows AEG preparing the ground work for Michael disapearing and hopefuly before anyone competent catches wind of this the trail would be cold and they would never have to pay th $500mil + expenses and will remain with exclusive rights to most Michael’s music and only a tiny fraction to pay at Jackson estate!!! Paris at the memorial, after she saw the stiff in the casket and recognized it wasn’t her father, she cried angry tears and she pleas defensively for her father and Blanket is broken to pieces! Why, if Michael was preparing to fake his death would he not prepare his kids except for Prince for a few seconds upstairs the morning of 25th of June?! Why would good broke Dr. Murry not tell chef Kai to call an ambulance but only asks for Prince to go upstairs, why would the good doctor make long personal calls on the phone when Michael just had a ‘heart attack’, why would a man that had a heart attack around 11 40am. And nobody rececitated him still be warm at 3pm, why would the Dr. Murry run out of the hospital when he just brought in a pacient, where did he ran too? Why would a niddle be administered to the neck vain for rest, the neck vain is the most painful vain to have injected and close to the brain, a vain only used to sedate a struggling/ uncooperating pacient! Michael would have had to be held down to be able to take the excruciating pain of being injected in the neck vain, for at list 30 to 60 second?! Is that what the ‘good’ Dr. Murry was asking and demanding $1mil a month!!!!!Look, there is evidence backing every statement that I have made here! Court admissable evidence!!!!

22. carmen Says:
    December 15th, 2009 at 12:34 am

    Let me ask each and everyone of you, for $40mil would you go to jail for 4years and help a man get abducted and let him be killed?!
    AEG took $210mil dollars the first week of ‘This is it’! AEG, a comapany with exclusive rights to Michael’s music, and a comany with the majority of it’s assets in a failed real estate market who’s earnings fell in the teens and single digits and who vowed,’Randy Phillips’ interview to Forbes, to never pay any artist more then $300mil, yet signed Michael with a $500mil + expenses lucrative contract weeks later and started rolling those cameras!!!
    Tim Liewenski cried like a broke bum that the state of California is robbing him by asking AEG to pay $4mil for the memorial!!! AEG has a problem paying $4mil bill; but were willing to pay Michael $500mil + expenses?! Especially when accomodations were made so they could make all that money without Michael’s live performances in the contract, and in the rehersal performances, when they are having exclusive rights to Michael’s music?!! They can make billions indefinately, save their company from financial disaster without turning one light bulb on!
    Please, non of us are blind, we are all a lot more INFORMED then AEG thought!!!! This will come out and it will be ugly!! Poor Michael!!! Poor kids but if we the media and public let these go, Michael will be eventually killed and his blood and suffering would be on our hands just as bad as AEG!

23. carmen Says:
    December 18th, 2009 at 1:52 am

    Why would a cardiologist, who just lost a man, call upstairs the 12year old son, and not the ambulance, not even a cry for help!
    There is absolutely no reason Dr Murray would call Prince upstairs: the only who would do that is Michael! And that proves that he wasn’t having a ‘heart attack’!
    But wait, Dr. Murray said he called Prince because Michael was not having a pulse?! Why, would he call Prince and not ask chef Kai, who was there, to call an ambulance! Why wouldn’t he at list ask chef Kai the address so that he could call an ambulance?!
    Why would he wait 40min after he called Prince upstairs to call an ambulance?!
    If Michael’s faking his own death then why did he call upstairs only Prince?! Doesn’t he love Paris and Blanket enough to say goodbye to them too or who was he protecting the 2 younger kids from?! Why only Prince got called upstairs and why so last minute if he is behind this hoax?!!
    What happen that only Prince -the oldest- could handle?! Because there is no reason dr. Murray would call a 12 year old boy to show him his father suffered a ‘heart attack’ instead of calling for help or an ambulance, especially since the chef was right there?!
    If Michel is behind these hoax, do you think he would have allowed Paris to get ripped to pieces like she was at the memorial!!
    Since there is no reason for Dr. Murray to call upstairs Prince and the only one who would have a reason to call Prince upstairs is Michael, in an attempt to protect his children from a danger he didn’t know off the night before, who could be causing this danger for Michael to protect his children from, the morning he, according to Dr. Murray already had a ‘heart attack’, before Dr. Murray called Prince upstairs?! What were they doing for 40min upstairs instead of calling 911?! Was Prince administering CPR?!
    These people at AEG are a bunch of mama’s boys that had everything given to them on a platter and never had to earn an honest dollar in their lives! From the hoax they are conducting I can tell they are the kind of people who maid it through school only half conscious and the rest of the time high on every drug they could find in the streets! They think they can fool the public with demeaning and stereotyping Michael and come up with all this half baked explanations! Hey the rest of the world is not LA and nobody gives a damn about LA. Los Angeles does not run the world; the world runs Los Angeles! The world is smart, very smart, and we see everything and forget nothing! Usually the less wealthier, the smarter and more gifted the public. Michael belongs to the world and not LA! We are not stupid and we do care and you are not even awake enough to get your stories straight! Find an intelligent way to let Michael return alive and healthy to public service, his family and loved one and find it fast!!!!

24. carmen Says:
    December 18th, 2009 at 2:31 am

    Don’t forget AEG had been working on preparing the contract with Michael Jackson for over a year prior to signing the final version of the contract in March ‘09 and the terms were set by AEG, not Michael’s team, because one of the main investors in AEG loaned/co-signed Michael the money to save Nverland Ranch from the banks! Who?! I am interested; what’s going on with that deal?! So the ‘man’ who loaned Michael all this money made the connection to AEG, a company he owns?! I have a lot of respect for Germans in general but were is ‘he’ in this mess?!!!

25. purplerain711 Says:
    January 3rd, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    dr. murry needs to be put in jail for what he did, and how he did it. the fact that he waited almost an hour beforew he called the ambulance is sickening. he did kill the king of pop on purpose and i believe that.and this man has the nerve to be trying to have a reality show in the works….M.U.R.D.E.R!!!!!

26. carmen Says:
    January 8th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    No sweety, he killed ‘an old man’ who the ambulance didn’t recognize and recorded as showing signs of lividity, blood setteling to one side of the body at 12:21pm! Michael was said to be warm to the touch at 2:30pm accodring to family! Impossible for a body showing signs of blood setteling 2h earlier!!
    Also, here’s food for thought: NO DOCTOR SIGNED THE DEATH CERTIFICATE! EVEN THE ER DOCTOR REFUSED TO SIGN THE DEATH CERTIFICATE! NO DOCTOR IN THAT WHOLE HOSPITAL WOULD SIGN THE DEATH CERTIFICATE! THE SISTER was told she has to sign it! That is illegal and NEVER DONE!!! HERE’S WHY NO DOCTOR WOULD SIGN THE DEATH CERTIFICATE: A DOCTOR IS UNDER OATH AND PENALTY OF PERJURY WHEN THEY SIGN A DEATH CERTIFICATE, SAYING THAT PERSON IS DEAD! IF A DOCTOR LIE ABOUT THAT HE LOOSES HIS LICENCE AND FACES JAIL TIME! THE BODY THE FAMILY IDed was ‘warm to the touch’ after 2:30pm! The body peeked up by the ambulance two hours earlier at 12:21 pm ’showed signs of lividity’ blood setteling to one side of the body because of death! That body could not be warm to the touch 2 hours later! The EMT was also said that they didn’t recognize Michael Jackson!
    The only part that I have said that is a theory is that ‘AEG is behind this kidnapping’! That is theory based on analysis OF ALL REAL FACTS, CRIME SCENE EVIDENCE, AND STATEMENTS OF THE PEOPLE and PERSONAL AT THE SCENE OF THE CRIME! There are other suspects, MORE LIKELY THAT COULD AFFORD TO DO THESE KIDNAPPING ! FOR EXAMPLE: THOMEI THOMEI - FIRED FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO Michael - a man Michael had one of his advisors record him (Michael) stating he(Thomei) made him (Michael) ‘..fear for his life.. and made financial and legal decisions without telling (Michae) and without permission (from Michael)…” tapes aired on shows ‘Extra’ and other TV shows! Thomei Thomei knew everbody to whom Michael owed money because he was his former financial advisor! It’s a safe guess that the only reason AEG hired Thomei to Michael’s contract would be to keep on eye on him! Especially since he is the man made Michael fear for his life, according to statements made by Michael on recorded tape!
    Michael also accuses Thomei - on his recorded taped statement of ‘…attempting to run his life….’ ! Hmm… Let’s see Thomei Thomei from Lebanon, extreme bank account might, SLOPPY kidnapping so badly done everithing points to kidnapping, money owed, ALL ASSETS IN ONE MAN’S TALENT & THE ONLY WAY THOSE ASSETS CAN BE CASHED IS IF MICHAEL STAYS ALVE!
    HERE is what I believe clears AEG from being an initial suspect: they could make tones of money with Michael if he were able to make appearences! Shows TV, projects with other actors! AEG needs long term asset at max potential! A man declared dead under disgusting obvious lies, makes people just sad and disgusted NOT SPENDING MONEY! However, who has Michael can extort any amount of money they want until SOME BODY GETS THE GROWS THE NUTTS TO GO BRING MICHAEL BACK HOME!!!

27. sara Says:
    January 10th, 2010 at 6:07 am

    DOCTOR CONRAD MURRY IS VERY MEEEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

28. carmen Says:
    January 10th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Not just spiritually speaking, there is someone always watching!

29. Azt Says:
    January 26th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Hey carmen what a genius way of telling the story just could not feel it in my bone so michael Jackson did not dye that day!

30. carmen Says:
    January 26th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Yes,there is plenty of court admissable evidence to show Michael survived JUNE 25th and is most likely forced to fake his death! It would be impossible for a man to be ‘warm to the touch’ 3h after a massive heart attack with no rececitation, showing signs of lividity 2h earlier to still be ‘warm’ at 2:30pm, unless that man at the hospital was different man then the body the EMT recorded ’showing signs of lividity’/cooling blood settling at 12:21pm! Further, there was a flood of events beginning June 25th, that just drove me nutz to investigate! I analyze information all the time, I have such a strong think tank, I can’t even sleep when I need to figure something out! By late summer I realized I have to figure these out and by october I was on board with this insanity coming out of LA! I have never seen such a mess of evidence! I did mistakenly, accuse AEG and I retract that accusation! I thought it was a simple case! It is a simple case, it’s just a matter of what we allow people with raw courage to get away with in our society! Michael had such an ignorant situations in the past 10yrs; accused of 8 counts of felony charges based only on unsubstanciated statements?! Someone needs to find some civil remedy against the state attorney office /LAPD for everything MICHAEL suffered ! The only reason these possible kidnapping is happaning is because Michael’s reputation was so badly
    damaged that he became an easy target to people like THOMEI, who used and pressed their advantage so much that poor Michael had assocites record his pleas for help because he was ’scared to of death of Thomei’ -he should have pressed charges against Thomei but it’s not like he wanted to get sexually assautlted again by the cops!! With no law enforcement to ask for help he had his friend record his fears on tape -just in case!! If you have anymore doubts of Michael’s innocence here’s proove why the 8 counts didn’t stick:THE FATHER OF THE BASTARD CHILD WHO MICHAEL helped cure of cancer, WHO ACCUSED MICHEL OF touching him, COMMITTED SUICIDE!!! He didn’t deserve the dignaty of death! He should be in jail together with the idiot who charged Michael with 8 counts and could only traumatize and harass Mihael, but could NOT make a single count stick!!! I got one word for those 8 counts - PERSECUTION!!!

31. Azt Says:
    January 29th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Hey carmen you are amazing that is all I can say carmen god has given me a chance to meet michael that was in Washington DC apr 1st 2004 you can google it he was reciving a humanitarian AWard from Ethiopian embassy don’t want to get in to so much detail since I have never post this long story.I Call it the highlite of my life well I wish I would have known u in person all we can do for michael right now is pray pray pray if u have a twitter acct let me know…

32. carmen Says:
    January 29th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Here’s the truth about prayer; the only way it get’s answered is if WE the praying have inner strength to bring about the answer we desire!!! What is evil in this world, is ‘when people think there is nothing that they can do’!! That’s how the evil takes a soul; when we look at wrongs being done and think / act like there is nothing we can do!!!! Evil idiots have courage because they have faith in evil! Why can’t good people have courage because of faith in good?! I never back down from a fight and I never lost a fight!!! I like what I am!! How can you watch and do nothing?!! Pray?! Answer your own prayer!!
    If you want to feel alive, you need to save alive; or you’ve been born for nothing!!!

33. Azt Says:
    January 30th, 2010 at 8:16 am

    Hey carmen as Michael’s fan the whole thing had been extremely overwhelmingfor me the fact I had a chance to meet him is what’s making it worth no human being in this planet had touched my soul like michael did we all one day pass this life but one thing I know before that wherever michael is I do need justice about this man you are a very strong person And wise who loves the higher truth that is the kind of person michael needs so let’s stick together:)…

34. Azt Says:
    January 30th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Correcting the above I meant what’s making it the worst sorry:)…

35. Azt Says:
    January 30th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Hey Carmen what amazes me the most is how come this news media does not question all these does not add up story I mean the other day I was reading this law book which is written by a lawyer it’s called know your rights” so reffering to who can sign a death cirtificate as you mentioned it A phisician, police or coronors never say a family member so I don’t know how the media does not question all these any idea?

36. carmen Says:
    January 30th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    I don’t believe in conspiracies, but I do believe in people being lazy, avoiding back braking dangerous reports, and the media being worried about braking a new story that required investigative reporting and dangerous field work!! This whishy washy way of throwing words on a paper and running home for dinner at 8 is just not the way any investigator can stop real criminals!! But what is worth then that is when we allow ourselves to ignore evidence of a crime simply because we expect someone else to fix it!!! That is wrong and the only reason the ‘bad guys’ dare to commit incredibly disgusting crimes is because they think nobody cares!!! But we as citizens have just as much a duty and a right to investigate and collect / preserve / present public evidence!! It’s our duty to create a world that we want our children to inherit! I cann’t see something done wrong and think it’s not my problem!! IT IS EVERYBODIES PROBLEM!!

37. carmen Says:
    January 30th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    The ‘mistake’ was done by the coroner who accepted a death certificate signed by Michael’s sister! He should have immediately called the ER doctor and asked why he didn’t sign the death certificate and then he should have trated the ‘body’ as a jhon doe, because the death certificate NOT SIGNED by a doctor is invalid! Then, since he had no personal knowledge of what Michael really looked like he should have run a DNA test to matxh with Michael’s mother DNA! The corroner should have not signed a valid certificate based on an illigally signed invalid death certificate! Not to mention: the body the EMT picked up at the house at 12:21pm was showing signs of lividity - blood settling / cuagualting / cooling due to death of more then 45 min.. Michael’s family discribed Michael 2h after the ambulance recorded ’singns of lividity’ as ‘warm to the touch’! NOT POSSIBLE TO BE WARM AT 2:30pm IF THE HEART STOPPED BITTING AT 11:30pm and the lividity was recorded at 12:21pm! There have to be two sepatate bodies!!! Also the house! Most anesthesiologists will confirm that really high heat in a room can cause a patient on probafol irregular rapid breathing and essentially choke and die on their breath!!! We know tht Michael was not killed because of a mountain of physical / circumstancial evidence, including the warm body heat Michael’s sister observed before all doctors refused to sign the death certificate! But someone did die, if you belive the ambulance record that says the body at the house was recorded as as ’showing signs of lividity’! Unless the ambulance EMT lied, that had to be a different
    Body then Michael’s!!

38. Azt Says:
    January 31st, 2010 at 12:29 am

    Hey carmen I wish I can afford leaving my job and investigate all these this is nerve racking I know for sure as a fan of michael I want to write a letter to To president Obama why all these injustice toward this man? When his mission is to take this world to a better place I sometimes thing devil is behind all these I why the battle was very strong!!!

    o

39. Azt Says:
    January 31st, 2010 at 12:32 am

    Hey carmen I wish I can afford leaving my job and investigate all these this is nerve racking I know for sure as a fan of michael I want to write a letter to To president Obama why all these injustice toward this man? When his mission is to take this world to a better place I sometimes think devil is behind all these That is why the battle was very strong!!!

    o

40. carmen Says:
    January 31st, 2010 at 11:23 am

    You know, this whole attempt to convince the public that Michael is fine, and not in any real danger, is about as dum and transparently ridiculous as the instance in the beginning of Iraq war when the Iraq army were firing their guided missles without any guidence equipment! Those things went up and came only straight down! The Iraq army were effectively destroying themselves!!! These silly attempts to say Michael’s ‘faking his own death’ are as stupid as and IMPOSSIBLE as C. Murray saying he didn’t call the ambulance for an hour because he didn’t know the address!! Conrad Murray could have ran to the front gate in 90sec or less and get the address to call 911 at 11:30pm! Instead he waited until 12:41pm to call an ambulance, inspite of accidentally running into Chef Kai in the kitchen before the 911 was called! Conrad Murray claims get even more insulting when he claims that he had been ‘pumping’ Michael from 11:30 until 911 arrived! He actually made THREE PERSONAL CALLS on his cell phone before 911 was
    called - so how could he be ‘pumping’ Michael and be on the cell phone at the same time?! Here’s another dum twist that raises yet another red flag: the video tape from the security camera dissapeared!!! If Conrad Murray was so overwhelmed with grief that he was compelled to confess, why steal the security video!!!! Conrad Murray further has the audacity to try and say that he didn’t know the address of his only patient in spite of having his own bedroom there!!! To add injury to insult, Murray was brought in by the body guards rumored to have been hired or brought to protect Michael by Thomei - the guy Michael was so terrified would murder him he actually recorded tapes of allegations by Moichael against Thomei raging from’ making Michael fear for his life’ to ‘manipulating Michael’s money against his wished and without consulting with Michael’ to ‘attempting to run Michael’s life’! NOT THE GUY YOU WANT HIRING YOUR DOCTOR!! Rumors also say that Thomei was fired from Michael and his contract days before June 25th for the second time!!! Michael had no plans to fake his death: he never prepared emotionally his kids and as a result they were traumatized beyond any amount of pain that Michael would freely allow to be inflicted on his little kids! Further to show Michael had no plans to fake his death is that he made plans with other musocians for new production work, he went house hauting in Vegas and found a house and made a renevations plan for the new house he intended to buy!!! He bought new art work etc etc..!

41. Azt Says:
    January 31st, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    I know when I met michael in 2004 Raymone Bain was his manager I have met her as well this Tomei scary guy replaced her after Michael fired her for what’s so ever reason I think she protected Michael had a good feeling about her don’t know what happen at the end but this tomei guy the minute I saw that scary looking guy with Michael I did not have a good feeling about the guy this crazy Lebanese did not leave Michael alone after he got fired with out a doubt he is one if him behind all these it would come out that moran Murray can’t stand him for a split second I mean the way he talk lie what kind of low life Dr is he? Have never seen one like it may God punish him as he deserve it:)…

42. carmen Says:
    January 31st, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    You know, if Michael doesn’t show up and clear these people of any wrong doing, added all these evidence together, there may be enough to cause a full investigation! And here’s another thing about Thomei, a lebanese financial advisor with extreme financial ties to all sorts investments in middle-east: why would he, as Michael’s financial advisor, be so determined to ’scare Michael -his client- to death’, ‘manipulate money’, ‘attempt to run Michael’s life’! Thomei is not broke, he invested money for other people and weather Michael made or lost money he would still get paid his fee!! So why manipulate money, intimidate Michael, get himself fired twice, what does he need money for so desperately he was acting in a manner that could ruin his cradibility in the face of all his investors?!!! Let’s take a wild guess and ask ourselves, who in the middle east badly needs money and could lean on a financial advisor such as Thomei?!?! Hmm…! Who needs funding in the middle east desperately now?!?! You answer that on your own!!! There is got to be a reason Thomei intimidated Michael to death over money (as Michael says on his tapes) and I am sure that the desperation that drove Thomei to act in that manner against his client has to have a scientific source of motivation!!! Thomei’s not scarry, I see a lot worse then Thomei on a regular basis! Thomei, in my assesment of him: is arrogant, predictable and caupable of a possible kidnapping / possible murder of a gentle kind good fair non violent man!! However, he is not a that kind of person unless he had a motivating factor forcing him, Thomei, to drop his guard and be aggresive etc etc as Michael discribes him in the tapes!!!

43. Azt Says:
    January 31st, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Hey carmen I lived in three diff contenents unfortunatelly that sort of menality is a part of the culture in the men want to control everything he wanted to control Michael’s life as well u know in a bragging way poor michael what he had to deal with by the way I am sure you have seen the movie I bought the DVD aswell have you notice at the end there is nothing mentions about his death Like 1958-2009 or in his memory instead it says the movie was dedicated to his three children:)…

44. Azt Says:
    January 31st, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Hey carmen forgot to mention this I read this today in some site that Tomei is married to Randy philips sister I don’t know whether this is true or not:)…

45. JMAC Says:
    February 9th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    ITS NOT ALL DR.S FAULT. JACKSON ALSO HAD SOME BLAME ALSO HIS FAMILY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT HIS BEHAVIOR. BOTH HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY BUT MONEY MAKES YOU DO CRAZY THINGS. CANT STAND OTHER JACKSONS FROM PROFITING FROM HIS DEATH, THEY ARE JUST AS BAD AS THE REST OF THESE FOOLS.

46. carmen Says:
    February 9th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    First of all, unofficially, Mr. Thomei’s rumored, between you and I, behind close curtains, loves male friendships… 2nd: to JMAC: DO NOT TALK WHEN YOU DO NOT HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! Michael’s family has nothing to gain from Michael’s ‘DEATH’! Everyone in Michael’s family, starting with the father was cut out! The mother had a 20% cut, if she would not have challenged the will! Unfortunately, she did challenge the will when she filled a lawsuit attempting to declare Michael ‘incompetent’ in an attempt to become one of the executors of the estate! The judge strikes down her motion, and because she challenged the Michael will, she lost her cut in the 20%! She only remains receiving 86K a month allowance for her and the children’s expenses! The rest of the family, all brothers and sister are not mentioned Michael ‘Last testament’ except for the father who is specifically cut out!
    Nobody in Michael’s family is gaining $1, except for the children, who remain to receive 60% after their 18th birthday + 20% the mother was suppose to get if she had not challenged Michael’s ‘Last Testament’ [ The Last Testament has a provision written, which makes it so if anyone challenges the 'Last Testament' they loose their cut - that is why Michael's mother lost her cut and that cut was brought back to the kids]!
    The rest of the estate goes to charity and 2% for administrative costs to Michael’s lawyer and manager - the two executors of the estate chosen by Michael some 10yrs ago when he wrote ‘The testament’! Further, Michael’s family losses $$$BILLIONS because they made arrangements with Michael to have a comeback tour after the o2 concerts - ‘The Jackson 5′ comeback tour, which needs Michael’s live performance in order to sell any tickets!!!! Without Michael, they could not even put together one performance in Austria, after June 25th!!!! Michael is ‘Jackson 5′ star performer!!! Further, because Michael could not perform at the o2 concerts, the estate earned a lot less money off course, barely pays off the debt on Neverland and Michael’s future earnings are not easy to pull off! Further, the family was denied permission to turn Neveland into Graceland like business and therefore, until all 3 kids of get to be 18yrs of age, Neverland will remain untouched! The oldest is 12yrs old! All other possible children of
    Michael’s have no rights to the estate as specifically written by Michael in his ‘Last Testament’! The family is so financially screwed, by June 25th ‘death’ it’s ridiculous!! Further, there was rumors that Joe Jackson use to go everyday by the Michael’s rented home, in an attempt to try to mend the relationship with his son; but, the Thomei hired bodyguards and security would not let the old man have any contact with Michael!!! Michael, sold 85 concerts in a 23000 sits arena, for the O2 concerts in 15min. and because of the high demand they had to shut down the sales office!!! MICHAEL DID LEGALLY AGREE without any opposition that I could find, to make 50concerts as long as the concerts were spaced over a year and he was to have a comfortable home for him and his children! He also became very involved in every aspect of the concert - from the lighting, to choosing the dancers, to the animation and props - all details that he volunteered to get out of the bed in the morning and insist to have adjusted to
    his specific taste! If he was not interested in the o2 concerts and they would have had to drag him out bad every morning, why would he choose to do tons of extra work he did not have to do!!! Further, he got a personal trainer to get him in shape for the shows !!! Michael loved his comeback and was looking forward to being in the spotlight for years and years in the future!!! He even got a home in Las Vegas he had put a hold to buy and was to be renovated to have a large studio were he could work any day he wanted!!! That means June 25th is billions of dollars lost for Michael’s family and the opportunity to mend fences and be close like a family should be - lost!!!!
    Thomei Thomei, was Michael’s financial advisor! Thomei Thomei did behave in the last year before June 2dth in a manner that made Michael so terrified he made recorded tapes stating ‘Thomei was making him fear for his life over money, and Thomei was manipulating his (Michael’s) money against without informing him and against his intentions’! Thomei was fired for the 2nd time just days before the o2 concerts from Michael’s contract, there was a published magazine article saying ’sources close to Michael’ say Michael’s doctors are giving him 6 month to live, in spite of All of Michael’s doctors saying he was in good heath! That grim magazine prediction was published exactly 6month and 1day from June 25th! All the team of bodyguards and doctors, including C. Murray were hired by Thomei! Thomei was fired just days before the June 2th ‘death’! Thomeo was at the hospital after Michael was declared ‘dead’ by his sister who signed the temporary death certificate that all doctors refused to sign!!!
    Michael was said to be ‘warm to the touch’ at 2:30pm which is an indication of a WEAK PULSE! The body the ambulance picked up at 12:21pm had signs of lividity according to EMT notes! Lividity means the blood in the body at the house was already cold and turning skin blue 2hours earlier and Michael at the hospital, was still ‘warm’ 2hours later after the body at the house was at 12:21pm already cold! The house heating was on extreme high, in spite of outside not being to cold! IT IS A KNOWN FACT IN THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY THE HEAT ON HIGH WILL MOST LIKELY CAUSE A PATIENT ON ANESTHESIA TO EXPERIENCE IRREGULAR RAPID BREATHING, CHOKE ON HIS BREATH AND DIE!!! The body at the house was widely reported to be deathly skinny, the ambulance personal did not recognize at first, have no hair anywhere in on the body and in the morgue was said to have lost a nasal prosthesis! ALL A SHARP CONTRASICTION TO THE ATHLETIC 136p MICHAEL WE SEE AT THE STAPLE CENTER REHERSAL, 2days prior, on June 23! Further, Michael’s Dr. Klein
    went on Larry King swinging his fists, saying Michael does not have a nasal prosthesis, and was in great health and a great mood!! The statement that was constantly contradicted by eye witnesses who described the body emaciated skinny, with no hair anywhere, and missing a nasal prosthesis! Michael in the June 25th death has obvious facial hair irritation from shaving, which means if he had hair on his face he had hair in other body parts too!!! If anyone is to make money of any of ‘Michael’s music’ they need Michael to put that music together!!!! That means they need Michael alive, in order to extort money from anyone who has the rights to Michael’s music - such as AEG- who happens to have exclusive rights to some of Michael’s best music!!! By the way, AEG lost billions too because Michael’s 25th ‘death’ and are left barely getting some financial returns that are pennies on the dollar when compared to what AEG could have made of Michael if he were not declared dead by his sister on June 25th!
    The sister who says she was told she had to sign the death certificate because no doctor would sign it -in spite of Michael being ‘warm to the touch’!!! The coroner the tool this illegally invalid sister signed, positive ID ed, death certificate and instead of rejecting it for being invalid, the coroner issued a VALID death certificate and identification!! This makes the Valid coroner D.C. Invalid, because it is based on an invalid signed death certificate!!! ALL DOCTORS REFUSED TO SIGN DEATH CERTIFICATE!! The body at the house had a different description then the body Michael’s family saw at the hospital: the body at the house was written by EMT as showing signs of lividiy - cold blood, the body at the hospital 2hours later was ‘warm’!
    Think about it: when the doctors who treated Michael came in to the ER room, who showed them which room the body was in? The bodyguards hired by Thomei? When the doctors refused to sign the death certificate, who approached Michael’s sister, Thomei and his team? When the people who came to take the body to the coroner from the hospital who showed those people in which room was the body? Thomei and the bodyguards. Who was standing next to Jermain declaring Michael dead to the public? Thomei! These kidnapping could have been easily accomplished without any involvement from the authorities?! Just point them in th wrong direction! Plus let’s not forget C. Murray was rumored, as reported by CNN in the hours and days after June 25th, to have asked $1mil a month from AEG?! He only got 100K a month?! Hm..$1mil a month for what? Let’s see, the only evidence he handled probafol is only in his statements and no other documented evidence exists showing he bought or stored or handled probafol and nobody saw Murray inject Michael with probafol! So the only real evidence against C. Murray is in his own statements! So if he was so guilty he felt like confessing to a crime nobody saw him commit and had evidence he committed, WHY IS THE SURVEILANCE TAPE MISSING from the house? WHY STEAL THE TAPE IF YOU ARE GONNA CONFESS? C. Murray also states that Michael stopped breathing at 11:25am but the ambulance was called at 12:21pm! Why the 1h delay? Murray said he was running around the house for an hour because he did not know the address and could not find anyone in the house to ask for 1h! Murray could have ran to the front gate in under 30sec. if he didn’t know the address and called 911 at 11:30am and not 12:21pm! Murray further stated he did baby CPR on Michael in bed for and hour! He was reported by investigators to have been making 3 personal calls while he was suppose to be doing the baby CPR on the bed!! Michael’s autopsy was delayed for 4month! And 10days after the funeral?!?! Why the delay?!

47. Azt Says:
    February 10th, 2010 at 6:55 am

    My head is sppining around I wander if the family know that AEG is behind all these? Hey carmen any answer?

48. carmen Says:
    February 10th, 2010 at 7:20 am

    Oh, you again! To Azt, while the first logical suspect on my list was AEG, as soon as I realized that I need to actually imvestigate the circumstances around Mr. Jackson’s team and assocites, AEG were the first people I cleared completely of my suspect list. I said that earlier! AEG stands nothing to gain and only to loose billions for not being able to have Michael perform and promote music, productions, movies etc. What AEG is making now of Michael’s musoc are pennies on the dollar! Further, they lost the comeback of historical proportions and stand to gain nothing! When I first wrote that AEG may be the logical suspect I wasn’t investigating this case but simply expressed an opinion. A much closer investigative observations revealed Thomei as the most likely suspect based on the public evidence and my research! Then again, I don’t believe in eliminating any suspect, even little green man, until the man or the evidence needed comes forward giving a conclusive answer! It MICHAEL or THE TRUTH: I am always
    keeping every possibility open!!! But the only guy that has shown interest/documented threats/ evidence to be a threat to Michael’s life and could have been the driving force behind C. Murray since he hired C. Murray and the body guards, is your favorite honey - Thomei Thomei!!
    Hey, all those accusations are Michael’s own words, recorded on tape, prior to June 25th, in fear of Thomei, tapes made at Michael’s request in case something happens to him!! That means those tapes can be used to bring charges in court against Thomei Thomei!!!

49. Azt Says:
    February 10th, 2010 at 8:46 am

    I have never seen a murder case being taken this lightly This is killing me alive ok why the hell the camera would be missing from the house what is the explanation for that which would be the no one proof for everything? There are so many unanswered questions why this much secrecy ? the world including myself want explanation when Michael was going throughThe crazy 2005 child molestation trial which I even Hate to use the world they were exposing everything in the eye of the entire world they treated him like a dirt for something he did not do I am truly speechless how the justice system work in this country God have mercy:)…

50. Azt Says:
    February 10th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Moran Murray does not seem to have a head of his own I personally think this is a man who has no morale or standard he is being pulled left and right by the people behind him he is a weak soul who would do anything for money Murray should not be allowed to practice medicine anymore regardless of what he did to Michael his license should be revoked once and for all:)…

51. Azt Says:
    February 10th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Thomei Thomei is definately behind this crazy Lebanese was beyond obesessed with Michael who knows why? I guess what you mention carmen was very right I can see a woman being obesessed with Michael like that not a man very strange even the protective look he had when he was around Michael strange weird man:)…

52. carmen Says:
    February 10th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Here’s the duzy: you’ve got a money starved Lebanese, funneling money like crazy all over the world, so desperate for Michael’s money and control over Michael’s every move he terrifies Michael ‘to death’, he hires all of the bodyguards and then one of the bodyguards brings in Murray, a cardiologist to treat the kids ! Were there no pediatricians in LA?! Then this cardiologist asks for $1mil a month according to cnn reports. Why $1mil a month? Tell me something, would you go to jail for $1mil a month for a max. of 4yrs!! Murray is a doctor with an expired license, in CA, bankrupt in CA and LV, with 6 kids by 4 women all seeking child support. He also has numerous judgments for malpractice against all of his properties! This guy is not a ‘doctor’ with a career ahead of himself! Manslaughter charges are a joke and an injustice! According to my research the body who got picked up by the ambulance and was recorded as showing lividity at 12:21 and not recognized by EMT personal was NOT MICHAEL but a man murdered
    who looked like Michael! This is why I believe a man was murdered and not Michael: the body at the house was cold 2hours before Michael’s sister said Michael was ‘warm’ at 12:21pm, consistently all media sources reported the man at the morgue to have a nasal prosthesis which Michael’s Dr. Klein violently denied Michael has, Dr. C. Murray claimed he did child CPR in bed on Michael because Michael was to skinny and fragile to receive adult CPR and all media sources said the body at the morgue was emaciated skinny, yet rehearsal footage 2days prior at Staples Center, show a healthy athletic lean cut Michael at what I guessed then was 135p, easily going through a 4 h full dress rehearsal, the body at the morgue was said to have no hair anywhere on the body, but video rehearsal show Michael had irritation from shaving his face which means he had hair on his face and off course other body parts, ALL DOCTORS REFUSED TO SIGN DEATH CERTIFICATE etc etc. That could explain why the missing security tape, that could explain why Dr. C. Murray could not find the front gate security to call 911 in 90 second and waited a whole 1h before he asked security to call EMT, that could explain why Murray was on the cell phone making 3 personal calls when he claims he was doing child CPR on a 136p man!!!! Look, people like Thomei Thomei, are not very intelligent, but are usually incredibly arrogant, money hungry and act like they control the movement of the planets in the sky and everyone needs to accept what they say regardless!!! Well, it’s just that level of arrogant stupidity that leaves a trail of evidence for decades and decades to be found!! Weather we manage to recover Michael alive or not, we must gather the evidence and put it in the right hands! In my informed opinion, Murray should be charged with murder one, of the guy who’s body in the morgue lost a nasal prosthesis, Michael’s kidnapping and extortion!

53. Azt Says:
    February 11th, 2010 at 3:32 am

    I absoulutely admire your quality thinking carmen which lacks from many people we need justice about Michael wherever he is I know I won’t let this go I know that God will give me strength to fight this so carmen Michael wants someone like you and me and we will find I am sure Millions who would fight for higher truth so let’S stick together as a fan the other day I was thinking what about a white house rally for Michael I am sure there would be millions of fan from all over the world:)….

54. Azt Says:
    February 11th, 2010 at 3:39 am

    Sorry correcting the above justice for Michael not about sorry:)…

55. carmen Says:
    February 11th, 2010 at 6:35 am

    I don’t know about that, but, I believe it takes a village to get anything done right! I appreciate any assistence you can offer! My email is clange71@yahoo.com!

56. carmen Says:
    February 11th, 2010 at 6:41 am

    Let’s stay in touch clange71@yahoo.com

57. Azt Says:
    February 11th, 2010 at 6:55 am

    Hey carmen this is my Email as well Azebtamrat@aol.com will email you my cell:)…

58. Azt Says:
    February 11th, 2010 at 7:00 am

    Hey carmen here is my Email AzebTamrat@aol.com

59. Newsette Says:
    February 11th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    It is MHO that Michael Jackson hired Dr. Murray as a fall guy; to cover for his drug habits in case something went wrong. So his own name would not be smeared. The very fact that Michael Jackson was seeking other Dr.s to give him this drug that killed him, is how I arrived at this conclusion.

    In any case, Let dr. Murray know I am praying for him. When I pray, things happen. I feel that the Jackson family just don’t want to receive the fact that Michael had a drug issue. Who’s not to say that Michael himself didn’t inject himself with extra that caused his death? Yea, blame it on the man who needs money. That’s a good motive, being a drug attic don’t count. You can fool some of the public some of the time, but not all the time. And I wasn’t born yesterday.

    Sign: The Impractical to truth

    It is MHO that Michael Jackson hired Dr. Murray as a fall guy; to cover for his drug habits in case something went wrong. So his own name would not be smeared. The very fact that Michael Jackson was seeking other Dr.s to give him this drug that killed him, is how I arrived at this conclusion. I feel that the Jackson family just don’t want to receive the fact that Michael had a drug issue. Who’s not to say that Michael himself didn’t inject himself with extra that caused his death? Yea, blame it on the man who needs money. That’s a good motive, being a drug attic don’t count. You can fool some of the public some of the time, but not all the time. And I wasn’t born yesterday.
    Sign: Impractical to truth

60. Newsette Says:
    February 11th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Sorry for the double post, I re-wrote it, and thought I was just posting the botom part. OOPS! copy and paste job…

61. carmen Says:
    February 11th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Newsette: most people choose to be ignorant BUT YOU ARE JUST PLAIN STUPID!!!! THIS IS A MURDER INVESTIGATION and HAS TWO PEOPLE AS VICTIMS, MOST LIKELY BOTH UNWILLING - REAL EVIDENCE CONDIDERED IS VERY IMPORTANT! MICHAEL COULD NOT INJECT HIMSELF IN THE THROUGHT EVEN IF HE WAS A CONTORTIONIST!!! AN INJECTION IN THE THROUGHT IN THE MAIN VAIN IS ABOUT AS PAINFUL AS STABBING AND CAN ONLY BE DONE BY SOMEONE OTHER THEN THE PERSON BEING INJECTED!!! ALSO, UNLESS A PATIENT IS ALMOST DEAD OR UNCONSCIOUS THE PAIN IS SO BAD HE MOST LIKELY HAS TO BE HELD DOWN!!! DR. MURRAY WAS HIRED BY THOMEI THOMEI AS WELL AS THE BODYGUARDS WHO HAPPENS TO BE THE MAN MICHAEL MADE RECORDED TESTAMENT HE FEARED TO DEATH AND THE MAN WHO GOT FIRED THE SECOND TIME FROM MICHAEL’S CONTRACT ONLY DAYS BEFORE JUNE 25th..AND THE GUY WHO SHOWED UP AT THE HOSPITAL IN SPITE OF BEING FIRED FOR BEING A THREAT TO MICHAEL!! Your DR. Murray is a bankrupt in LA and LV with judgments for malpractice in different states against all of his properties! That means he hurt other people and was found guilty in court! The body at the house had signs of lividity / cold coagulated settled blood and signs it had been moved hours after death and ambulance personal didn’t recognize him as Michael at 12:21pm; the body IDed by the family 2h later at the hospital at 2:30pm was ‘warm to the touch’ and ALL DOCTORS REFUSED TO SIGN DEATH CERTIFICATE! The sister was cornered by Thomei’s team and told to sign the death certificate even those only a doctor/police officer has the duty to sign a death certificate! What was the hurry to have that death certificate?! The death certificate signed by the sister is illegal and therefore invalid! DOZENS UPON DOZENS of NEWS REPORTS AND MEDIA REPORTED ‘THE BODY’ IN THE MORGUE LOST A NASAL PROSTHESIS: MICHAEL RECONSTRUCTIVE DR. KLEIN SHOWED MEDICAL FILES MICHAEL DOES NOT HAVE A NASAL PROSTHESIS! MICHAEL’S LIFE IS A HUMAN LIFE, AN AMERICAN, A FATHER, A GOOD FATHER, IF THEY GET AWAY WITH DOING THIS TO HIM WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY WILL DO TO OTHER
    PEOPLE! THAT IS WHY WHEN WE FIGHT FOR MICHAEL, WE FIGHT FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US AGAINST ARROGANT VICIOUSE DUM CRIMINALS! YOUR DR. MURRAY SAYS HE SAW MICHAEL WITHOUT A PULSE AT 11:25am BUT HE DIDN’Y CALL THE AMBULANCE UNTIL 12:21pm! HE WAITED ONE HOUR, CLAIMING HE COULD NOT FIND ANYONE TO ASK THE ADDRESS AROUND THE HOUSE! I CALCULATED THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BADROOM AND THE SECURITY GATE AND HE COULD HAVE RUN TO THE SECURITY GATE IN 30SEC.. FURTHER HE CLAIMS HE WAS DOING CHILD CPR ON MICHAEL IN BED FOR 1HOUR: WHEN IN FACT THE POLICE FOUND HE WAS MAKING 3 PERSONAL CALLS ON HIS CELL, NON TO 911! HE RAN INTO CHEF KAI IN THE KITCHEN AND DIDN’T ASK HER TO CALL 911! HE LEFT FOR UNKNOWN REASONS FROM THE HOSPITAL AND COULD NOT BE FOUND! LOOK, I HAVE DONE ABOUT 4MONTH OF FIELD INVESTIGATION AND ABOUT 6MONTH OF 8MONTH OF PUBLIC INVESTIGATION! I AM TALKING TO INFORM THE PUBLIC OUT OF MY RESEARCH AND FINDINGS: NEWSLETTE you obviously don’t have a clue to anything you said especially as a conclusion! Don’t say stupid things in the morning and please don’t say them twice! People are murdered and slaughtered by you Dr. Murray like animals at the slaughter house! If you love him and pray for him you need help, treatment or something but you need to stop writing here! For your information Michael was a vegetarian, rehearsed almost everyday on tape and nobody saw him even drowsy once over the past 6month! The family had no access to him because of the Thomei hired bodyguards and his only non Thomei hired employee -the nanny- was fired for no real reason month before June 25th! Also, many people at the crime scene described the house as unbearably hot, like the heat was on max.! It is a medical fact that the heat on max will most likely cause a patient under anesthesia to have rapid irregular breathing and choke on his breath and die! So whom ever Dr. Murray stuck with the needle in the throat was not dying fast enough for your Dr. Murray! Make sure you include that in your prayer Newsette!!!

62. Azt Says:
    February 11th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    To newsette I agree 100% with carmen plain and simple As I said it before Murray’s license should be revoked once and for all. So newsette if you want to do your prayer do it for a Man who is struggling all his life to make this world a better place What Murray deserve is a punishment:)…

63. carmen Says:
    February 12th, 2010 at 4:10 am

    Thanks. U know, this ain’t gonna be easy; but it’s impossible to ignore. If we let this be done to Michael Jackson, what will be done to us ot our children?! These is fu deep deep beyond the line that never should be crossed! And who are the people crossing? Non of our own, against a real a good man!

64. Azt Says:
    February 12th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Hey carmen I think we should start pettion for Murray’s license to be revoked permanently that would be the first step I have to get some info how to go about it next week:)…

65. carmen Says:
    February 12th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    there is strong unquestionable indications of evidence of a broad daylight murder / kidnapping / possible extortion/ tempering with evidence / cover up / money funneling for unknown sources: Murray’s license is not my interest! Anyway, those kind of recommendations are really for my email and not these forum. I am looking out for Michael; 2nd, for the evidence against Thomei and then Murray is an easy prove but I am only interested in murder one, kidnapping and anything else they might have done! At this point I do not have any face at all in any presence of law enforcement from LAPD against these people so I will not waist any good evidence on them! I am gonna keep the rest of my actions secret but be sure that I will continue on shining brighter and brighter lights on every nuck and cranny of these criminals even if they get convicted for everything!
    Hey look at O.J.. Somebody somewhere saw something nobody else saw and showed it to the right people. The end result was that he wanted that memorabilia so stinking’ bad he is doing 20 yrs as some fat man’s girlfriend in jail: by the time he came out, if he survives prison, he will more accustom to being bend over a table then walking upright! The first rule of every crime scene: no matter what, someone somewhere is always watching!!! 2nd rule: the criminal never is an intelligent person - just a lower form of spicies.

66. marine_wife Says:
    February 15th, 2010 at 6:00 am

    Newsette: You must have been born yesterday. An attic is a room/space on top of your ceilings. An ADDICT is someone that has an ADDICTION. And you really should consider doing your Michael Jackson research before you try to act like you know something. Google “Michael Jackson family intervention”. You are truly ignorant. You may not have been born yesterday, but you sure were born in an “attic” lmao

67. carmen Says:
    February 15th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    ‘marine_wife’ - Michael has LUPUS + VITILIGO + BROKEN BACK/PELVIS INJURIES + BURNS WITH NECCESARY RECONSTRACTIVE WORK - pain killers are necessary to stay alive! lupus is a disfiguring flash and bone and joint digenerating excrutiatingly painful disease which requires constant surgical maintenece in order to combat the symptoms. Vitiligo is an ugly skin pigment irregularity which ravaged poor Michael face body so aggressively he could only try to lighten his skin to be able to show his face in public without looking like a dalmation! I’ve never seen vitiligo as bad as he had in my life: people accusing him of ‘wanting to be white’ are ABOUT AS IGNIRANT AS YOU ACCUSING MICHAEL OF HAVING AN ADDICTION! He has a necessiy for pain killer because of the lupus,burns/recontructive skin grafting/lotions for evenning out his pigmentation all over the body! Without pain killers he would go into shock and die! Michael most likely needed the nasal reconstructive work because the nose is one of the manny extremities lupus attacks and disfigures, if not stopped through aggressive painful medical procedures. Further lupus attacks all joints in the body causing extreme bone and cartilage pain, pretty much at all times! Maybe in Michael best day, he
    feels like you and I would feel if someone took a baseball bat and hit all our joint! Staying ahead of aggressive vitiligo in an ignorant world is almost as bad as lupus itself; since his skin requires constant pigment readjustments through lotions/med. poor Michael probably never had a peaceful morning look in the mirror until all his skin even out the pigment to the point vitiligo had nothing to attack!!! Yet ignorant people continued to take rumors or even little white lies and drag conclusions without examining any real data! Michael did develop a painkiller dependency after dealing with lupus/burn injury etc. and grueling self imposed painful rehearsal schedules during the Thriller concerts! The pain killers were a requirement for the procedures and he did need those pain killers to survive long after the medical procedure and still does! However, as a dancer, you need to be very awake and not groggy to perform well: which is why I believe he immediately made efforts to have
    non drowsy pain killers/ sleep aids etc..
    That shows self control, not an addicts quality! 2nd and very important is the fact that Michael used small diplomatic white lies to get out of BIG CRIMINAL LIES / EXTORTIONS! In LA, people in the justice system had no interest to protect Michael but only liked to make large sums of money off allowing media circus in 2 court cases which had NO PHYSICAL evidence OF ANY KIND to substantiate any of the accusations! So tired of being harassed and exploited, I am taking and educated guess that Michael checked himself in an addiction clinic in Europe! Michael doesn’t have an addiction: he has a painkiller medication need to survive the day and night pains!! However, through his extreme patience and perseverance he managed to cut back most painkillers! NOW HERE’S THE PROVE MICHAEL WAS NOT ADDICTED TO PROBAFOL BASED ON PUBLIC STATEMENTS OF THE PEOPLE IN MICHAEL’S CIRCLE ‘marine_wife’: WHERE DID MICHAEL LIVE BEFORE HIS RETURN TO US? BAHRAIN! A BEAUTIFUL NATION ALL YOUR MARINE HUBBIES GO TO PARTY NEXT TO SAUDI ARABIA in THE MIDDLE EAST! LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING YOUR MARINE HUBBY ISN’T GONNA TELL YOU! IN BAHRAIN/MIDDLE EAST, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE SOME MONEY, not talking millions, just tens of thousands $$, YOU CAN BUY ANYTHING!!!! FROM BODY ORGANS TO WOMEN TO GUNS TO COCAIN TO A PRIVATE HOSPITAL TO MILITARY UNIFORMS!!!! WHAT EVER YOU WANT THAT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE EVEN TO SPEAK WITHOUT GETTING ARRESTED ANYWHERE ELSE YOU WILL FIND IN BAHRAIN / MIDDLE EAST and probably the best quality too; this also applies to doctors and medical procedures! IF MICHAEL WANTED PROBAFOL HE COULD HAVE THE BEST MEDICAL ANSTHESIOLOGISTS WITH A GOLDEN IV DROPPER ON HIS PRIVATE WORLD CLASS JET TOGETHER WITH A DECADE SUPPLY OF PROBAFOL WITH HIM EVERYWHERE HE NEEDED/WANTED!!!! YET WHAT WERE THE FIRST SIGN OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES AFTER THE CONRAD MURRAY BOMBARDMENT OF CONTRADICTING IRRATIONAL HALF-REMEMBERED LIES ??? NURSE LEE, A WOMAN THAT CAN MEMORIZE HER LIES WITH SUCH PERCISION THAT SHE USES THE SAME WORDS, DAY AFTER DAY WHEN SHE LIES: THAT’S GETTING YOUR MONEY’s WORTH, not the crap out of C. Murray!!! NURSE LEE, IS A NUTRITIONAL NURSE, WHICH WAS SEND TO MICHAEL BY MICHAEL’s THOMEI HIRED BODYGUARD AND
    ASSOCIATES, because Michael had turned to holistic /homeopathic medication and good nutrition to fight of the diseases and to raise his family: NOT THE ACTIONS OF AN ADDICT!! AND WHAT DID NURSE LEE SO EFFICIENTLY LIE ABOUT?? OH, IN THE ONLY 2 VISITS SHE HAD WITH MICHAEL IN MARCH, SHE CLAIMS THAT AFTER SHE TOOK MICHAEL’s BLOOD TESTS AT HIS REQUESTS, HE ‘BEGGED’ HER FOR PROBAFOL and went on and on even calling her on the phone for probafol!!! Wait just a second here: for those of us who didn’t smoke marijuana in high-school, that makes no sense!!! NURSE LEE IS A NUTRITIONAL NURSE, MICHAEL CALLED FOR A NUTRITIONAL EXPERT, MICHAEL IS MORE KNOWLEDGEBLE THEN MOST WITH OPPERATING ROOM NURSES, yet he called for a nutritional nurse he never seen before looking for probafol! A NUTITIONAL NURSE HAS NO ACCESS TO OPERATING ROOMS! HE REQUESTED A NUTRITIONAL NURSE FROM HIS BODYGUARDS! HE DIDN’T CALL THE DOZENS OF OPERARATING ROOM NURSES HE KNOWS IN LA and the world, MICHAEL ASKED SPECIFICALLY FOR A NUTRITIONAL NURSE!!!
    THE NURSE WAS BROUGHT IN BY THOMEI HIRED BODY GUARDS! SO HE GOES ‘BEGGING’ NURSE LEE, AFTER HE FLEW HIS PERSONAL JET FROM THE MIDDLE EAST, HE GOES ‘BEGGING’ A NUTRITIONAL NURSE, THAT HE NEVER SEES THE INSIDE OF AN OPERATING ROOM, FOR ‘PROBAFOL’!!! IF HE WAS AN ADDICT THEN HE SHOULD HAVE A STADY SUPPLY OF THE DRUG WITH HIM AT ALL TIMES! HE OWNES HIS OWN INTERNATIONAL JUMBO JET, HE COULD HAVE BROUGHT A PORTABLE HOSPITAL FROM MIDDLE EAST HERE IF HE WAS AN ADDICT!!!! HE COULD HAVE CALLED ONE OF THE DOZENS OF OPERATING ROOM NURSES HE HAD ALL OVER LA AND THE WORLD FOR PROBAFOL; BUT NO, HE CALLS A NUTRITIONAL NURSE he never met in his life before and ‘BEGGS’ HER FOR PROBAFOL!!!! DID HE ‘BEGG’ THE MAIL MAN TOO?!?!?! ONLY AN IGNORANT FOOL CAN BELIEVE MICHAEL WAS ADDICTED TO PROBAFOL AFTER NURSE LEE’s STATEMENTS!! IT IS THROUGH THE WELL REHEARSED BUT INCREDIBLY STUPID STATEMENTS SHE DILEGENTLY MAKES ON EVERY NEWS STATION THAT PROVES MICHAEL WAS NOT ADDICTED TO PROBAFOL; BUT, SOMEBODY WANTED THE PUBLIC AND ESPECIALLY
    THE ‘law enforcement’ TO THINK HE DIED FROM PROBAFOL AND HAVE NO REASON TO INVESTIGATE ANY OTHER POSSIBLE LEADS! ****KEEP IN MIND: PROBAFOL DISSAPEARS FROM THE BODY WITHOUT LEAVING ANY TRACE WITHIN MINUTES - THE BODY PICKED UP AT THE HOUSE AT 12:21pm WAS ALREADY SHOWING SIGNS OF LIVIDITY/BLOOD CUAGULATION- meaning it’s been dead for min. 1h and most likely several hours, SO PROBAFOL WOULD LONG BE OUT OF ‘THE BODY’s’ SYSTEM! IF IT WASN’T FOR NURSE LEE and DR. MURRAY’s statements of probafol, THE AUTHRITIES WOULDN’T EVEN LOOK FOR PROBAFOL and normal toxicology tests WOULD NEVER SHOW PROBAFOL! THE POLICE WOULD INVESTIGATE OTHER LEADS, MAYBE THE TAPES OF MICHAEL FEARING ‘TO DEATH’ THOMEI, OR WHY THE BODY SHOWING LIVIDITY AT 12:21pm was ID ed at 2:30pm by the family as ‘warm to the touch’ or WHY THE DOCTORS REFUSED TO SIGN THE DEATH CERTIFICATE, WHY THOMEI’S TEAM WAS EAGER TO HAVE MICHAEL’s SISTER SIGN THE DEATH CERTIFICATE, WHY THE MORGUE STUFF DESCRIBES A BODY WITHOUT A NASAL PROSTHESIS and JUST A HOLE INSTEAD OF A NOSE, ESPECIALLY WHEN MICHAEL OWN DOCTOR GOES SCREAMING ON LARRY KING MICHAEL HAD RECONTRUCTIVE INJECTIONS ON HIS NOSE AND DOES NOT HAVE ANY REMOVABLE NASAL PROSTHESIS!!!! No, WITH NURSE LEE’S WELL MEMORIZED STATEMENT, WHICH, ACCORDING TO NETWORKS SHE CAME FORWARD AND CALLED IN THE NEWS STATIONS ‘TO INFORM THE PEOPLE’ SHE HAD BEEN ‘BEGGED’ BY MICHAEL FOR PROBAFOL!!!! WELL, LET’s SEE, NURSE LEE, Dr. C. Murray and the body guards: the body guards where hired by Tohmei THomei, the guy Michael recorded statements saying he ‘feared to death and was manipulating his money against Michael’s intentions’ as well as the guy rumored to have been fired days prior to 25th of June! The body guards brought in Dr. C. Murray and Nurse Lee!!! If you look at Nurse Lee, C. Murray and the body guards, don’t they all kind of look alike!!! Hmm..also, NURSE LEE was on every news station within couple of hours of Michael’s ‘death’ VERY DETERMINED AND FOCUSED AND WELL DRESSED RELEASING WHAT SOUNDED LIKE
    A SCRIPTED MEMORIZED STAEMENT WITHOUT ANY SHAKING IN HER VOICE AND LOOKING PERFECTLY CAMERA READY AND UNSHAKEN IN HER VOICE, SHE ALMOST LOOKED LIKE A REPORTER READING OF A PROMPTER THE SAME NEWS BULLETIN IN EVERY NEWS STATION, EVEN USING THE SAME EXACT WORDS EVERY TIME!!! DID SHE WAKE UP THAT MORNING, DO HER HAIR PERFECTLY BRAIDED AND FIX EVERY STRAND OF HAIR AND PUT ON HER SUNDAY SUIT AND SHOES AND WAITED BY THE DOOR FOR MICHAEL TO DIE, AT 2:30pm, SO SHE COULD RUN DOWN TO THE NEWS STATION AND TELL EVERYONE THE GOOD NEWS, MICHAEL ‘BEGGED’ HER FOR PROBAFOL, and she told him she didn’t know what it was, and then she looked it up, and told him it was bad and it could kill him, but he ‘begged’ her anyway yada yada yada ya, tata rata tata ta?! By God, she said it so many times so fast on some different interviews, 8 month later I still can’t get her words out of my head!!! She must have had GPS or a RACING LIMO waiting for her outside because she went from one news interview to another so fast she was behaving
    more like a presidential hopeful campaigning candidate in the last day before the election!!! She didn’t react like a shocked nurse, she was within hours flashing her statement almost faster then the news reporters could keep up with her in every news station in perfect clothing and without a hair out of place in statements so well prepared she even used the same exact words and punctuation in every news interview! It was a THURSDAY, why wasn’t she at work?!?! Why would she leave her paying patients, to make DOZENS of interviews and I’ve never seen a nurse who’s hair and cloth was more presentable then the newscaster themselves!!! She should have made a tape and handed it out to everybody!!!!

68. mjj3 Says:
    February 16th, 2010 at 5:22 am

    carmen i need to speak with you its about michael and its very very important email me at lova_lova346@yahoo.com

69. carmen Says:
    February 17th, 2010 at 4:09 am

    Thank you! But it’s not a pat on the back I do this! It’s for a guy who did and would do something for people who need help! And we all need help!

70. radison Says:
    February 17th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    @carmen, this sounds all very interesting, but do you have ANYTHING to back this up? theories are awesome, but only theories nonetheless. now if you have proof, i suggest you go seek out the authorities with your claims….

71. carmen Says:
    February 17th, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    All of my educated ‘theories’ are based on public records, statements backed by verified sources and eye witness accounts, recorded published evidence etc.. It is called being self aware and from the moment I heard on June 25th, that any man/doctor would perform CPR in bed on 50 yrs old and followed by the same man/doctor statement saying he didn’t call 911 because he didn’t know the address for an hour, in spite of heaving functioning cell phone, and then his idiotic claim continued with him saying he could not find anyone around the house to call 911 for an hour even those he could have ran to the front gate security in under 90 second and asked for 911 or one of the dozen reporters/chauffeurs/bodyguards/ etc for the address and to call 911. When I heard those statements every hair on my back stood straight up and I switched on to recording, documenting, researching, verify, and search some more! The explanation were so sickening, that you had to be either not interested or retarded not to be intellectually ticked off, and immediately, react with record, research, disprove. Yes, I researched, documented and stored in both safety deposits. boxes, files folders off site, and at my office everything from media to public records to actual field work which I am still continuing so if you have any info. please show it! As fur as what I am doing with my research, I don’t need you telling me what to do! Trust me I know what to do better then the people all around Michael’s circle! Thanks for the advice but my ‘theories’ are expressed here and in many other public forums are only what I can back up with public evidence anyone can research and if you research is done well you will find everything I said is backed up by public records, reliable verified statements and everything the public has access too and all of my public forum discussions are after the autopsy report was released. Off course, I came across other evidence then what is published but I would never let that go out of my hands or make any comments! You have to understand, a murder charge, possible conviction is an ugly 2nd prize but If I will find exact prove that Michael and not some other guy is in that coffin; then, trust me, the right people will get the rest of the evidence! Thanks for the advice, but like I said, you really have to be ignorant or really distracted not to vomit at almost everyone in Michael’s surrounding circle on June 25th explanation on what happened to this man - a father of 3 little kids, a man who made corporate America billions and paid about 38% in taxes on those billionS, had about at list 10 good years to make more billionS and had plans in music/movie/production for him, his kids and extended family, donated/raised $365 million dollars for charity in impoverished areas of the world exemplifies the American spirit of generosity, fought for civil rights and against racism, and had tones of more charity and powerful world changing plans not just as ideas; but, actual plans with scores of people and teams ready to spring into action
    and fulfill those plans! Yes he is worth all of our time and dedication dead or alive! If he pops up alive, trust me I am not gonna be questioning anything, as long as verifiable DNA tests are there to prove it’s him and I would verify those DNA tests. If not I would have to be brain dead not to gather as much evidence as possible so even a blind and deaf jury would find these people guilty beyond any reasonable doubt! Trust me I am not alone and I never was or would be alone; nobody is ever alone in this world we all have each other and even criminals, even psychotic criminals have a heart and do cry!

72. radison Says:
    February 17th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    @carmen… i truly hope that what you say is true, because Michael deserves our dedication no matter what…if he is really gone then i hope that all responsible will pay dearly for taking him from the world.

73. Azt Says:
    February 18th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Very sad to see how the world closes it’s eye not to see the higher truth:)…

74. carmen Says:
    February 18th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    Keep in mind, probafol is not an illegal substance! Probafol is not regulated like cocaine or any illegal narcotic drug. Even those you cannot buy probafol at a pharmacy is US, it is not illegal to transport probafol especially when you have an illness that requires surgeries and you travel internationally, for long periods of time, to countries and places where you might need surgery and there is no way to guarantee those places have the right anesthesia! Michael, as a lupus/broken back/etc.etc.. had the perfect excuse to transport gallons of probafol on his international private jet he just flew in from Bahrain and Europe, where you can buy gallons of probafol: HE HAD NO NEED TO BEG NURSE LEE -a nutritional nurse he never met in his life before - FOR PEOBAFOL IN MARCH OVER AND OVER AND OVER! If Michael was an addict to probafol he would have easily maintained a large supply of probafol and an anesthesiologist from some foreign country with him at all times as well as reviving equipment to safely
    administer probafol; after all, if Michael was an addict this was not his first time! There was no reviving equipment at the house at all, and there is no evidence of C. Murray, buying, transporting, ordering or handling probafol in any way or form found by any law enforcement! In March, according to Nurse Lee, after Michael spend years in Bahrain and just flew in from Europe, ‘HE BEGGED’ her for probafol!!! June 25th, after Michael was announced dead by his brother at the hospital, with Tohmei -the guy Michael feared to death, who just got fired days before June 25th- at Jermain side, right after that announcement, a fleet of white with blue letters moving trucks pulled into Michael’s rented home, since the area was not declared a crime scene for two days, and this fleet of trucks all went because they were transporting something! This fleet of vans, went into Michael’s house after he was declared dead and days before the police declared the area a crime scene and went in to collect evidence. Everyone from Michael’s family, to Tohmei bodyguards, to chef, and truck drivers had access to Michael’s house and the place the police declared a crime scene 2days later and went there to obtain evidence!!! I don’t see how that crime scene evidence can be trusted by anyone!!! Those vans could have loaded gallons of probafol, heck they could have transported a tank and entire drug pharmacy and couple of dead bodies in their! Nobody saw what those trucks brought or took into or out of the house except for the people Michael feared to death, and distant and easily manipulated family and strangers paid to be there by unknown sources! And after everybody and their trucks were long gone, the police declared the area a crime scene and went to gather evidence! So if Michael didn’t have the probafol in March, because of Nurse Lee’s statements, there is no evidence C. Murray ordered or handled probafol anywhere, then were did the probafol come from?! And if Michael was such an addict to probafol, as the father of three kids, why wasn’t there any reviving equipment at the house?! Almost half the time when on probafol is used, reviving is necessary, so if he regularly used probafol like C. Murray says, he should have needed to be revived before and therefore reviving equipment is just what comes with using probafol! If you intend the patient to wake up! THERE WASN’T A SINGLE REVIVING EQUIPMENT AT THE HOUSE! The description of the body at the morgue was consistently different and opposite to medical description of Michael by his other doctors and the June 23rd reversal video!
    Body at the house EMT wanted to dclare dead on the scene and was recorded as ’showing signs of lividity’, body at the hospital 2h later was ‘warm to the touch’, ’still warm’, ‘looking like he was sleeping’ according to family and associates. Body at the morgue was missing a nasal prosthesis, showing a dark hole instead of a nose, according to many many established media reports and news station stories and magazines -not written in the 4month delayed autopsy- reports that Dr. Klein viciously deny on Larry King saying Michael has no nasal prosthesis and he’s been treating Michael with injectable fillers which can only be infected in natural nose cartilage and not a prosthesis! I’ve go the articles and reports! The body at the morgue is described as deathly skinny and having no hair anywhere on the body. The reports stay consistent until 2weeks after Michael’s funeral, 4month after death, until the autopsy report says he wasn’t deathly skinny like everyone including Dr. C. Murray said! (Remember Murray said he did child CPR in bed on Michael because he was to skinny and fragile for adult CPR on a hard surface). So the morgue sources consistently describe Michael as deathly skinny which is a huge contrast to the rehearsal video of June 23rd where Michael looks lean and cut and about 136p like the 4month and two weeks after the funeral report notes Michael! That’s not to skinny for adult CPR and it is not emaciated skinny! The autopsy report and all morgue sources report the body as having absolutely no hair anywhere on the body; yet rehearsal footage from June 23 shows Michael has shaving irritation from cleaning his face of sweat. If he had hair on his face, he could not be without hair anywhere on the body!!!

75. Azt Says:
    February 19th, 2010 at 2:28 am

    Carmen there is a certain kind of common law in this country which applies to everybody wether you are a celebratey or not A/, crime scene since when does it take four days before a crime scene is sealed? B/,by law if a crime just happened in a particular house I don’t think it is allowed the in and out of people neither you touch anything until the court decide I can go on and on and on with lists which does not even make sense this is fact not theory what I don’t understand is how a lot of people don’t question when these are just a simple facts I don’t think this needs a Genious:)…

76. carmen Says:
    February 19th, 2010 at 2:43 am

    Yap, you got it, it was not declared a crime scene until I think Sat or sun. June 25th was a Thursday, the family bodyguards and fleet of ‘atlas’ or ‘atlantic’ white vans went in within hours after june 25th! It is on tape from CNN. Then after everybody left, it was 2 or 3 days later the area was declared a crime scene and the investigators documented the evidence! Pills, probafol, marijuana etc..they could have moved an entire crystal meth lab, and not a single cop to preserve / protect the crime scene until 48h past! The family said they wanted toys for the kids, janet and a whole bunch of bodyguards cars and 5 vans went in and said they were taking Michael’s ’stuff’ for storage! Not a single police officer to preserve or check if anything was in those huge vans, SUVs etc…then couple of days later the area was declared a crime scene and when the officers are shown coming out with a bag of evidence. As a matter of fact, even days after it was declared a crime scene, reports were saying that a bloody shirt
    was left behind by the police and somebody had to call the police and ask them to comeback and take the shirt into evidence! That evidence obtained at the house, days after all those trucks and people contaminated the crime scene, will be part of the trial to show Michael as an addict!

77. carmen Says:
    February 19th, 2010 at 3:54 am

    When I say vans - I wanted to say large moving trucks not little vans! White moving trucks, I don’t have the tape with me to check, but the name of the company on the trucks was I think ‘atlas’ and the trucks started going in on Thursday and Friday. Reporters filmed those trucks going into the rented home and they were saying it was ’star power’ intimidation probably that was causing the police to not declare the area a crime scene immediately ! It was about 24h or more after those trucks left and those people were gone ,the area was declared a crime scene!!!

78. marine_wife Says:
    February 19th, 2010 at 6:11 am

    I just talked to a coroner that I know in my town, and he said that indeed you would still feel warm 4 hours after death. He explained to me how. But it has something to do with the fack that after death, your body temperature actually rises. But, I still think MJ is alive…. I just wanted to clear up the theory of if he should have been or not have been cold to the touch.

79. marine_wife Says:
    February 19th, 2010 at 6:12 am

    *fact not fack

80. marine_wife Says:
    February 19th, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Here is some info on dead body temperatures. Keep in mind, I am in no way saying that I think MJ is dead.

    Question: How long does it take a dead body to become cold?

    Simple answer: About 24 hours.

    Less simple answer: It doesn’t become “cold,” of course, it just gradually assumes the temperature of its environment. Interestingly, however, people who work around dead bodies will tell you that they do feel cold–positively cold–after only twelve hours or so. This is very likely a psychological phenomenon . . . we’re just not used to touching flesh that isn’t warmed by life.

    More-than-you-want-to-know answer: Algor mortis (post-mortem cooling) begins the moment heat stops being produced by metabolic processes. Forensic scientists making time-of-death estimates from the body temperature of the deceased often use the following rough rule of thumb:

    (98.4° - rectal temp) / 1.5 = hours since death

    But . . .

    This is very rough, indeed. All kinds of factors can effect the rate of cooling (or warming, if the body is in climate of a hundred degrees or so). Here are a few::

    -Clothing: Unclothed bodies cool faster than clothed ones.

    -Posture: The greater the surface area that is exposed, the faster the body cools.

    -Climate: Bodies cool faster in humid, cool weather, than in warm, dry weather.

    -Temperature at death: Not all people are at 98.6 F at the moment they die. Illness and heavy activity are but two factors that can increase or decrease body temperature and thus affect time-of-death estimates. In addition, infections can cause body temperature to continue rising for several hours after death.

    -Body type: The thinner you are, the faster you cool. Fat provides insulation against temperature change.

    http://www.aaronelkins.com/forensictidbits.htm

81. Azt Says:
    February 19th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Another thing what I could not understand is this is not the first time For Michael to take propofol he has done it before . before concerts in Europe this is a life and death situation if you don’t take it in a proper Equipment setting from what I understand two Equipment were missing I mean why would he settle down for less this time knowing again when this is a life or death situation? Michael is a genious not stupid so it does not make sense:)…

82. carmen Says:
    February 19th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    marine_wife: you obviously haven’t touched a dead body, tried to do CPR on a dead body ‘big no no’, seen a man die, found a dead body, found a woman in a comma and lost her, or saved a man’s life (trust me I wasn’t glowing with pride, I was vomiting)! The body at the house was noted as ’showing signs of lividity’ that means the blood in the body has long stopped and having no pressure and sipped out of most organs and muscles, under the influence of gravity together with other fluids such as stomach and intestine and kidney fluids! The first visible signs of lividity are on the side the body is laying on turns the skin blue and the intestines and kidneys are opening! That takes a 2h to 5h hours after death for lividity to be noticeable, the body was noted as showing lividity at 12:21pm! Dr. C. Murray said ‘the body’ died at 11:25am and it took him 1h to find the gate and call 911 but if death happened at 11:25 am by 12:21pm is impossible that the body could show lividity!!!
    Keep in mind, the body was described as emaciated skinny, which means a low natural body temperature! From my personal experience with dead bodies, which I have more then I ever allow myself to have any emotional recollection, here’s what happens! In an average natural / violent death, after the person dies, within 15 min, their eyes go to the back of their head and the skin become pudgy, joints get swollen, and if you touch the skin it’s puffy, then within about 30min, they start releasing water through the skin mouth, and in the lower mid section - that being when they get hotter, because all this hot liquids are being released! This is nowhere near lividity: the skin will stay turn very pail and colorless but stay it’s normal color for at list 1.5h to 2.5 h before the skin, furthest from gravity will start looking really light pale blue and the skin closer to the gravity gets dark blue! The reason the skin turns dark blue is that the blood lost it’s pressure / heat and it’s starting the process of settled! That means : means EMT NOTED at 12:21pm the body was showing ’signs of lividity’ it means it was already cold, the dead body only gets hot in the first 30min to 45min after death when it is releasing fluids and 3h after the process of lividity is noted! The process of lividity on the body was noted by EMT at 12:21pm, the sister observed Michael warm to the touch at 2:30pm MEANS MICHAEL AT 2:30pm WAS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR STARTING THE PROCESS OF LIVIDITY!!! THE ONLY WAY MICHAEL AT 2:30pm could be the same body as the body noted as showing lividity at 12:21pm is if we had a time machine and reversed time to about 10am that day and pulled Michael fast forward through time on the doctors table at 2:30pm! But, since we do not have a time machine, the process of lividity can never allow for body to regain heat! Lividity means no body heat!!! This is the factual difference between me and people like who live in ignorance but assume you know everything: where you go to ask a coroner a general question and
    assume you know everything, then try to dilute the evidence thinking that you know what you are talking about, I am the kind of person that when I see trouble I run to help! That is why I am accustom to seeing dead bodies and you just can’t hit a target ! Ask your marine husband: can a body after it turns blue on one side still have body heat? He will laugh at you?! Please understand, ‘God is in the details’ so says Michelangelo, painter of the 16th chapel - that is in Rome, marine_wife!!

83. carmen Says:
    February 19th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    The process of lividity on Michael was recorded at 12:21pm-that is when the skin is chilly, clammy and the body should have been dead for about 2.5h to 4h at list, 2 h after lividity recorded on anyone but the green giant, is really cold! The body only gets hotter after death in the first hour long long long before all the liquids are settled and turning skin blue! The body gets hotter in the first hour of death because all of the natural body fluids that retain heat get released and are releasing heat as the sip through the body being pulled by gravity! Only once those heat releasing fluids sip completely to the side the body is laying on and lost all the heat, that is when the fluids are settled and after they fluids settled, start flood the muscles under the skin with settled blood that, once those muscles get filled with this settled blood, the skin turns blue! When that blue skin is noted, the heat is long gone and the muscles are all empty of blood! It is impossible 2 h after recorded lividity for a
    body to be ‘warm’! Plus, the extremities, such as hands and arms get cold first! The hands 2h after lividity would be cold and blue!

84. marine_wife Says:
    February 19th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Carmen. You’re right. I have never found a dead body nor have I been around dead bodies. But, my local coroner has. I’m assuming he graduated from college and didn’t major in “under water basket weaving”. I do indeed think MJ is alive. I don’t think he was kidnapped however. Let’s think back to the “needle marks” on his neck. Everything that was in the “coroners report” was fraud. It was all part of the hoax. So nothing was true in that report. Let’s not forget MJ was on Larry King Live the day of his burrial. He sat next to his best friend, Miko. He way have been in trouble (and Thomei Thomei may have been to blame) so he faked his death. Let’s also not forget that they incorporated the movie “Gilda” in MJ This Is It. MJ obviously played the part of Gilda’s husband. In the movie Gilda, her husband fakes his own death. A bit strange, don’t you think?

    Here are some archived things you may want to take a look at:
    http://derekclontz.com/2009/

    Here is a video of the Jackson’s publicist. She says Michael “loves” his fans. And that MJ “misses” his fans. Present tense.
    http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/michael_jackson/x17_xclusive_joe_jackson_talks.php

    And let’s not forget that the Enquirer tabloid wrote in Jan 09′ that MJ had only 6 months to live. He “died” 6 months later.
    http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jackson-six-months-to-live.jpg

    I could post a gabillion more links but I don’t have the time at the moment. These links are not just for Carmen. I want the public and his fans to know MJ STILL LIVES!

    L.O.V.E.
    beLIEve

85. marine_wife Says:
    February 19th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    AND I REALLY DO NOT APPRECIATE YOU CALLING ME IGNORANT. YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS WORLD WITH A F*CKING OPINION. YOU CAN NOT GET ALL P!SSY BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VIEW THEN YOU. AND I DON’T OWE YOU AN EXPLANATION ABOUT THE CORORNER. HE HAPPENS TO BE A FRIEND OF OUR NEIGHBOR SO WE DO SPEAK OFTEN AND OFF THE RECORD. HOW DARE YOU CALL PEOPLE IGNORANT ONLY BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE THEN YOU. MAYBE YOU’RE THE IGNORANT ONE AND NEED ANGER MANAGEMENT. I BELIEVE HE IS STILL ALIVE. HOW AND WHY I FEEL THAT IS MAY DIFFER FROM YOU. DO NOT CALL ME IGNORANT. GOT IT? GOOD.

    FLIPPIN MORONS.

86. marine_wife Says:
    February 19th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    OH AND PSSSST…. MY HUSBAND DEFENDS MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH. HE DEFENDS MY RIGHT TO COME ON HERE AND EXPLAIN WHAT A CORONER SAID TO US IN A CONVERSATION. HE DEFENDS MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO SAY I THINK MJ IS ALIVE AND WELL. MY HUSBAND DEFENDS MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO TELL YOU TO F*CK OFF YOU IF DON’T LIKE IT!

87. carmen Says:
    February 19th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    Ignoring and misinterpreting science in murder investigation where almost every single explanation from the people that caused and observed this crimes against humanity proves itself a lie IS IGNORANT!!! Suggesting A HOAX now you are really ridiculous! The coroner got a body IDed by the sister and a DEATH CERTIFICATE from ER signed by the sister which was told to sign the death certificate! Then he made an independent autopsy and chose to IDENTIFY the body based on Michael’s Driver License and no other form of scientific ID. That’s not a hoax. He issued a valid court recognized death certificate without proper valid ER death certificate and the method of ID was not flesh, DNA ID it was a Michael’s driver’s license!!! Michael’s children, 12yrs, 11yrs and 7yrs old cried for the first two weeks non stop on every single place they were scene including the memorial!!! I was concern for their health because of how much those kids cried! You think Michael would fake his own death and let his children suffer as if he were dead!!! To Michael those children are his world, his life, the only real love he ever felt! I am scared that if he is still alive that he will do and say anything for them which could result in him not trying to escape and instead cooperate and allow these insane ignorant criminals to kill him and remain with all his money / rights etc.. Really marine_wife this is not the place to entertain yourself! The criminals are entertaining themselves with Michael enough! And I am posting not just because I have an opinion: I worked on this case since June 27, heck I never even heard a single Michael Jackson song I could name before June 27, because I do not invest my time on entertainment! I watch a movie every 6 month, my entertainment is sleep, 5min watching the moon at 4:30am and coffee! But when I heard the explanations given for cutting this man’s life short in the prime of his career and service to the world, I set aside a job that would basically take my income into the seven digits, which I was preparing for in early June, put that on hold, and started working on Michael’s case! It’s staggering the overwhelming amount of paper work and research I have to do. Sometimes, I come from work at home around 6pm and will work straight thru 9 :45 am! I have found more then I can publish, but all I can discuss are opinions based on published resources! Anything else I cannot talk about; but believe me something is driving me and it’s not money, it’s what I have found!!! Look if Michael pops up and says this was a media experiment and he is fine and declared alive what ever; but no father, not a father like Michael, would allow his kids to be shred to pieces emotionally, psychologically willingly or knowledgeable unless someone forced him with threats and other horrible pains!!! I am an AMERICAN, my father did serve abroad through UN as a mechanical / nuclear engineer and I traveled a lot of places around the world and seen a lot of people and you know what I think makes America great among many other wonderful qualities that makes US the greatest country to be alive: it’s that we don’t let anyone pull a cover over our eyes! We see something wrong and we go help! That is being an American and that is what makes us the greatest!!! We make a difference and that means fighting for what is right, observed not allowing someone to pull a wall over our eyes by saying oh, it’s a hoax! Don’t look at the body, man, kids, family, blood, tears, suffering it’s a hoax!!!

88. marine_wife Says:
    February 19th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    Oh dear carmen. You are so right. You are the only right person! I hope you’re not married as you seem very impossiBle to live with. My only advise to you is to go to the authorities. Perhaps you’re the ignorant one for not giving your top secret evidence to authorities. Take that xanex now darlin.

89. marine_wife Says:
    February 20th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    For the OTHER readers ((clears throat)).. here is a good link for you to read. I found it very informative and interesting.

    http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/

90. marine_wife Says:
    February 20th, 2010 at 12:24 am

    I don’t think these children looked traumatized. Paris is smiling… Janet is smirking… Prince just looks… bored. Blanket looks scared because he isn’t used to being around that many people. I don’t see tears. I saw the acting of a little girl with no tears.

    http://img294.imageshack.us/g/365michaeljacksonskidsa.jpg/

91. marine_wife Says:
    February 20th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    http://img294.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=365michaeljacksonskidsa.jpg

92. marine_wife Says:
    February 20th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Oh, and sweet Carmen, if you want to name-call, I promise you that I can name-call with the best of them.

    Perhaps your posts should be given to LAPD so they can have your evidence of foul play? There are laws in which you can not withhold evidence of a crime. So, if you are soooo concerned that MJ has been kidnapped then I suggest you give your finding to law enforcement ASAP. Spoliation of evidence is a criminal act in the United States. In law, spoliation of evidence is the intentional or negligent withholding, hiding, alteration or destruction of evidence relevant to a legal proceeding. It is a criminal act in the United States under Federal and most State law. So, if your “evidence” of a kidnapping is so compelling and intricate, then for crying out loud go to the damn authorities!! Don’t forget, we do have laws for withholding evidence ;-)

93. marine_wife Says:
    February 20th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Here is the website for LAPD. On the left hand side it has an area to report a crime.

    http://www.lapdonline.org/contact_us

    And, if you don’t use it to report the crime that you 100% know was committed because of your “secret findings” then I will let them know that you have evidence of foul play. I’m sure they will be able to contact you via your email address.

94. marine_wife Says:
    February 20th, 2010 at 1:24 am

    To the readers:

    MJ’s death certificate was not signed by his sister Latoya. It was indeed signed by a MD. Jonathan E Fielding MD. Don’t believe the small things.

    http://www2.tbo.com/exposure/full/2009/07/07/5996_michael-jackson-death-certificate.jpg

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding

95. carmen Says:
    February 20th, 2010 at 1:55 am

    The death certificate was signed by Janet! There were 2 separate live sit down interviews where she said ‘they came to me and said that I had to sign it’, ‘they told me I had to’! The older sister, Latoya was at the airport when that happened and on the way to the hospital! The doctor, you mentioned treated Michael and REFUSED TO SIGN THE DEATH CERTIFICATE! His medical notes are indefinitely sealed! NO DOCTOR SIGNED THE DEATH CERTIFICATE of Michael Jackson at the ER! marine_wife: I have noticed over the internet as well as in real events a strong financially backed effort to create the illusion that Michael is faking his own death and intends to disappear and never be found! With the statement you just made marine_wife, an outright plane purposeful lie, you just made yourself a suspect to be investigated as having a connection to the people that are paying to create this illusion!!! Anyone who like, can go and find that my information about the death certificate are 100% true!!! That death certificate not
    being signed by any hospital doctor information is backed up by dozens of reports and the ER certificate itself! Which is why the coroner had to use Michael’s drivers’ license to avoid having to do a DNA test! You know, ever since oct when I stared my postings I have been contacted, threatened harassed! Don’t you people get this: you ain’t got nothing to intimidate me with and I’ve got you! You people couldn’t scare off a fly!!!

96. marine_wife Says:
    February 20th, 2010 at 2:08 am

    Lmao. You are psychotic and delusional. You need therapy. You’re soooo right! I’ve got mj hidden under my bed. Lmao.

    I posted the death certificate signed by a md

    And if mj was kidnapped then why would janet sign it?

    You’re sick.

97. marine_wife Says:
    February 20th, 2010 at 2:13 am

    And I never posted any where that mj doesn’t plan on coming out of hiding. What drugs are you on?? I suggest you take your evidence to the lapd. Because I have every intention on calling them and telling them you have proof mj was kidnapped. And don’t think I’m not calling.

    Mj is still hiding under my bed and wants nme to tell you that he’s safe and ok.

    You are cooky. You are the true definition of a lunatic.

98. carmen Says:
    February 20th, 2010 at 2:23 am

    Call the pleeeaaase!!!!! I call before 4pm otherwise they don’t answer! Please call them! I am working with someone but I am not gonna tell you who!!!

99. marine_wife Says:
    February 20th, 2010 at 2:34 am

    So why is dr. Fieldings signature on the death certificate? And why would he refuse to sign it if there wasn’t even a body to begin with?? You know, since I have mj hiding under my bed and obviously getting paid mega bucks to keep him there. Lol.

    Why don’t you take your findings to the pd? You keep dancing around the question. You say that you have evidence in which you can not discuss. Take your evidence to the lapd and quit posting on a “who is dr. Murray” site. Psycho.

100. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 2:37 am

     The only person you are working with is your multiple personality disorder

101. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 2:39 am

     You’ve had eight months to call. You mean to tell me no one has answered in eight months? If it was that important to you then you would call after 4pm. Or go there in person better yet. Coo coo!

102. carmen Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 2:45 am

     O.J glove didn’t fit, 100% innocent, acquitted, yet he is broke and doing 20 yrs in federal prison for memorabilia! Oh life is so always awake! You know I do keep track of O. J. In prison! For these fat cats why are gonna need extra large suits! But a man’s life is at stake here: that is the highest truth!

103. carmen Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 2:50 am

     Now I am in the middle of an lightning fast investigation here so if you would excuse me I need to go find what ta heck kind of crap these idiots are doing now! Anyone interested in the truth verify my statements yourself, the rest do what marine_wife does - take a xanex!

104. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 2:59 am

     I don’t take xanex. I take pop stars for money and hide them under my bed.

105. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 3:09 am

     You can’t be proved creditable for nothing. You can’t even make true statements about my posts. You completely put words in my mouth. So prove yourself creditable and prove that I said half the shit that you said I did. Where did I say mj was in hiding with no intentions on coming out? Show me where I’ve stated that. Prove yourself trustworthy. I showed a death certificate with a md’s signature. I don’t think its legit but I displayed my findings. Show me the death certificate with janet’s signature. It doesn’t exist. And you can’t even recite my words back properly much less anything about mj. The viewers can see what I wrote then see how you translated them in your sick delusional mind!
     Viewers:
     I have displayed links of photos and websites. Has carmen proved anything besides talking out her ass? I didn’t think so.

106. toolsgrl Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 3:42 am

     Marine_wife…. she has proved she can’t spell Propofol

107. Azt Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:09 am

     Hey this is to Marnie wife can you please stop cursing and calling names I know everybody is entitled for their opinion this is not an emotional outlet I mean you seem to be a very angry person can you be a bit diplomatic:)…

108. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:10 am

     I sure can when people quit calling me IGNORANT for my views. If you don’t like it then read about Dr. Conrad Murray some where else. Thanks!

109. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:12 am

     toolsgrl - you would think that someone that has so many facts that this man has been kidnapped and has spent 8 months researching his “death” she would know how to spell the drug that “killed” him.

     IT’S PROPOFOL

     Now, that is true ignorance

110. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:12 am

     Who is Marnie wife?? I bet she has MJ hiding under her bed too!

111. Azt Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:15 am

     By the way carmen is a very intiligent person:)…

112. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:19 am

     She’s intelligent enough to not know how to spell.

     Funny how I’m an angry person so you think…. you didn’t complain about it in emails that transpired between the two of us ;-)

     You can jump on the carmen bandwagon if you want. But I can tell you this… it’s the drug PROPOFOL that was accused of killing him. If you can’t spell that, in this case, then to me that’s not too intelligent.

     Be careful about what you say on here. People may think you’re responsible for MJ’s disapprearance and that you’re hiding him some where. hehehe

     I sleep better at night with MJ in my room with me. He’s quite delightful.

113. toolsgrl Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:22 am

     MJ EXPERT = Intelligence
     Intelligence = correct spelling
     probafol doesn’t = intelligent MJ expert.

114. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:22 am

     And you spell inteLLigent with two “L”’s. How can you know smart from stupid when neither you or carmen know how to spell?

115. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:27 am

     And one more thing: My screen name is MARINE_WIFE. I don’t know who Marniewife is. So if you two can stop with all the “inteLLigent” hogwash, this board could be a much better place. And for your information: I was respectful and polite of other people’s views until I was slammed with name calling because of my personal views. So if you want to preach to someone, do it to someone else. Because I really don’t have time for YOUR UNinteLLigence.

     PS
     Spell check.

116. Azt Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:30 am

     Marine-wife carmen is gathering Infos and working very hard on this matter from what I see and it takes time to find the real truth have you done any investigation? to me you seem to be an extremely emotional person please don’t do any more cursing here it is ugly:)…

117. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:33 am

     Just because someone claims to be doing something, doesn’t mean that they are. WHERE is this death certificate signed by Janet? I will quit cursing when you people learn how to spell.

118. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:40 am

     And I’ve posted *my* “evidence” of MY personal views. You obviously read just as bad as you spell. If you’re not going to take the time to view the links that I have posted, then please quit replying to me. I’ve explained to you ignorant people MY view and WHY I feel that way. You are standing behind a person who is accusing random people (me included) of kidnapping MJ. Now listen here - I’ve posted some of the reseach I’ve done. If you’re too lazy to read through and view what I’ve posted, then I really don’t have time for you. So let’s follow this plan:

     A) you quit telling me what to write and what not to write

     B) read my evidence of MY views as I have posted them

     C) don’t listen to people who have the nerve to blame random people for MJ’s disappearance

     D) learn how to spell if you want me to reply back. I have no time to conversate with ignorant individuals

     You have your views and I have mine. If you don’t like it, then I really don’t know what to tell you.

119. Azt Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:40 am

     Marine wife I don’t know what is bothering you in life you have anger in you this is not a place for it and if I were you I would be a bit cautious cause words are very powerful:)…

120. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:42 am

     Like I said I was accused of being IGNORANT because of MY views. Seriously, get off my back. I was polite until I was belittled. Damn, there are some nutso’s on here!!!

121. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:46 am

     In Michael’s words:

     Beat me, hate me
     You can never break me
     Will me, thrill me
     You can never kill me
     Jew me, sue me
     Everybody do me
     Kick me, kike me
     Don’t you black or white me

122. Azt Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:56 am

     What counts is working hard on the investigation the gathering infos and trying to find the truth that is what carmen is doing. I am posting using my iPhone it is possible to have a spell error sometimes you are in to petty things in life go out do your real investigation and try to gather some infos if you even can do that please do not curse here and loose more respect:)…

123. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 5:00 am

     In Michael’s words:

     Just Beat It, Beat It, Beat It, Beat It
     No One Wants To Be Defeated
     Showin’ How Funky Strong Is Your Fight
     It Doesn’t Matter Who’s Wrong Or Right
     Just Beat It, Beat It
     Just Beat It, Beat It
     Just Beat It, Beat It
     Just Beat It, Beat It

124. carmen Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 5:00 am

     the marine needs go home and do his marine off duty DUTY! As for the evidence, and all recorded media sources I have stored off site! I have provided the information to the right people! LAPD has competed their investigation with the toxicology report! The rest of the LAPD investigation is about as potent as the evidence they collected at the crime scene 4 days after the crime happened and after 5 rented moving trucks, numerous SUVs, the family and the Tohmei hired bodyguards left the scene!!! Then, after all those people did their doings on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, on Sunday LAPD declared the area a crime scene and went to pick up the evidence that will be used to show Michael was an addict!! That is why, some crimes get solved by some people and other crimes get solved by other people!!! And yes, marine girl/toolgirl, all of you girl boy whatever you are boytoy yadi yadi ya, I have always been bad with spelling of medications of a narcotic kind! i don’t know how to spell xenex,
     I usually use spell check for marijuana, I suck at spelling all the other nerve medications you marine_wife have so clearly perfected to an art and knowledge of different kinds of emotional disorders I believe don’t really exist in most patients but people use as excuses to get meds wives don’t need ! I just do aspirin, vitamin and calcium! I don’t eat very healthy but I am going to correct that! Got a problem with chocolate! As for my relations, I am happy in my personal single life and I am privileged to have always most man I admire and idolize call me for company more often then I believe I deserve! I am usually busy, and I value my work more then my relations; but it’s a blessing to have the love of beautiful powerful accomplished blessed men in my life! Friendships that humble everything in me! I really am very busy now !

125. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 5:07 am

     In Michael’s Words:

     I Like The Feelin’ You’re
     Givin’ Me
     Just Hold Me Baby And I’m
     In Ecstasy
     Oh I’ll Be Workin’ From Nine
     To Five
     To Buy You Things To Keep
     You By My Side
     I Never Felt So In Love Before
     Just Promise Baby, You’ll
     Love Me Forevermore
     I Swear I’m Keepin’ You
     Satisfied
     ‘Cause You’re The One For Me
     The Way You Make Me Feel
     (The Way You Make Me Feel)
     You Really Turn Me On
     (You Really Turn Me On)
     You Knock Me Off Of My Feet

     Ain’t Nobody’s Business,
     Ain’t Nobody’s Business
     (The Way You Make Me Feel)
     Ain’t Nobody’s Business,
     Ain’t Nobody’s Business But
     Mine And My Baby
     (You Really Turn Me On)
     Hee Hee!
     (You Knock Me Off Of
     My Feet)

126. Azt Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 5:09 am

     As I said words are powerful that’s why lawyers use your words against you in CT:)…

127. toolsgrl Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 5:10 am

     Carmen… hmmmm I understand having a mispelling here and there.. but to claim to be an expert on MJ and his so called death, but not know how to spell what supposedly killed him in my mind shows me you haven’t done all your homework. I never attacked your “relations” just your spelling of propofol… I have a family, I believe MJ is alive, and I have done research.I make typo’s just like everyone else, I clearly have not done as much research as you Carmen, but the research that i have done taught me early on how to spell the drug that “killed” him. Where “relations” got involved in this is beyond me.

128. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 5:15 am

     In Michael’s Words:

     Now I’m just wondering why you think
     that you can get to me with anything
     seems like you’d know by now
     When and how I get down
     And with all that I’ve been through,
     I’m still around

     Don’t you ever make no mistake
     Baby I’ve got what it takes
     And there’s no way you’ll ever get to me
     Why can’t you see that you’ll never ever hurt me
     ’cause I wont let it be, see I’m too much for you baby

     [CHORUS]
     You can’t believe it, you can’t conceive it
     and you can’t touch me, ’cause I’m untouchable
     and I know you hate it, and you can’t take it
     You’ll never break me, ’cause I’m unbreakable

     Now you can’t stop me even thought you think
     that if you block me, you’ve done your thing
     and when you bury me underneath all your pain
     I´m steady laughin’, while surfacing

     Don’t you ever make no mistake
     baby I’ve got what it takes
     and there’s no way you’ll ever get to me
     Why can’t you see that you’ll never ever hurt me
     ’cause I wont let it be, see I’m too much for you baby

129. toolsgrl Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 5:17 am

     and carmen, you are so quick to call so many people an idiot or ignorant for their beliefs… that is just downright mean :( I don’t think that if Mj were kidnapped, or faking his own death, he would approve of such behavior,,, oh wait i forgot, he’s under Marnie wifes bed ha

130. carmen Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 5:20 am

     In all of my reports, when it is necessary to spell a drug, I purposefully make an effort not to make an effort to correctly spell it! It’s how I show my disgust towards those kind of crap that create mental states such as marine_wife and in long term overload and kill the connections between the left and right side of the brain, causing people to think slower and therefore have much less perceptive logical judgments! I guarantee you in all the reports I write I do not use slang terminology when referring to street drugs or the kind of drugs marine_wife is using! I will continue to misspell probafol, and obviously you seem to have mistaken the fact that most times I also misspell tohmai as thomei: that is how I show my disrespect for him!!!

131. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 5:25 am

     In Michael’s Words:

     He got sh!t baby
     Your dog’s a b!tch baby
     You make me sick baby
     You are a liar

     Is truth a game daddy
     To win the fame baby
     It’s all the same baby
     You’re so reliable

     Trust in me
     Trust in me
     Put all your trust in me
     She’s doin’ morphine

     Hoo!

     You just sit around just talkin’ nothing
     You’re takin’ morphine
     Hoo!
     Go’on baby
     You just sit around just talking about it
     You’re takin’ morphine
     Hoo-hoo!
     Just sit around just talking nothing about it
     You’re takin’ morphine
     You just sit around just talking about it
     You’re taking morphine
     You just sit around just talkin’ nothin’
     And takin’ morphine

132. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 5:46 am

     toolsgrl/girl - do you by chance live in Connecticut (CT)?? Either your words or my words are gonna be used against us/you/me in Connecticut. Not sure about you, but I live in the sunny eastern south! Not sure what Connecticut would want with “my” words??? But oh well… have fun with them, I guess. It sure is cold in CT. Brrrrrrrr

133. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 5:54 am

     toolsgrl/girl - WAIT! I got it!!! Michael is in CT!! What is Michael doing in Connecticut??!! I was paid to keep here. In my room. Under my bed. Fed one bowl of oatmeal in the morning with fresh fruit, chicken salad sandwhich with romaine lettuce for lunch, and a grilled chicken breast with fresh steam broccoli at dinner. I guess he didn’t like my cooking! I’ve got to go to CT and get Michael back before they hunt me down. I thought this person meant my words were gonna be used against me CT. All along she meant Michael was gonna use MY words against me in CT! He took all the proBAfol and closed bottles of urine with him when he left. That’s it. I’m buying a plane ticket to CT so my words won’t be used against me! Damn, I didn’t get paid THAT much for THIS much trouble.

134. Newsette Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 5:58 am

     Ok, I have taken some time to view the post here; and on another site. Let me start off with an apology for being half wrong. Now that I have more evidence I have weighed the situation differently. What I still have to weigh is the Woman Dr. that was interviewed on the news and Said that MJ was trying to get her to prescribe this dangerous drug for him. And she turned him down. So for MJ to have gone to her to fine this drug, only tells me that either he was wanting it for release, a habit, or to end his life. Weather he or another took his life I can’t say. I wasn’t there. your findings are quit interesting. I now pray for you to crack this case wide open. If Dr. Murray had any part in this in any way, God will bring justice in this earth. Now that I think about it, he could have went to he children to ask for the address. I know by experience of a friends Co. I use to sit for, as long as I was there, I never learn the address. So this, I give him. But even so, was not any bills laying around to get the address off of? Did the illuminati have their hand in this? Was he murdered? Is he alive? I don’t know! But when you find out, I want to hear about it.. I did like some of MJ music. But I have my own opinions about other issues he was accused of. Again, I apologies for judging before hearing all the evidence. I have stated my opinion, so I will butt out now. and no; I am not one to argue and cause conflict. I have my own conflict going on with the illuminati. Michaels song “Man in the mirror” has opened my eyes! I really believe Michael was making a change for the good in life when his life ended or escaped. I guess I missed that about a second murder. Maybe I will go back an read these post again.

135. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 6:00 am

     toolsgrl please excuse my spelling/grammar. I’m not too fond of the words “him, steamed, and in”

136. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 6:10 am

     Newsette - Jordan Chandler did admit that MJ did not molest him. I don’t know if you know that or not. But, I hope that helps a little bit with your negative vibes of MJ. I don’t think he’s a child molester. Thankfully Jordan did admit that he lied. =)

137. carmen Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 7:14 am

     I’ll tell you one of my life learned experiences: it’s when you think you are most. Private that you are most espoused! It’s when you think you are most powerful that you expose your greatest wicknesses and make the unfixable mistakes! Diplomacy is how Rome was build, emotions is how Rome perished!

138. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 7:22 am

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a445fEr9nWc&feature=related

139. Whisper Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 10:49 am

     Randy Phillips interviewed through a phone call: ”Michael said thank you for getting me this far, I can take it from here. Whatever happened that morning, I was at the hospital when he arrived but whatever happened that morning certainly wasnt something that he ever thought or planned”.

     No, but I was enjoying reading, but now there are some new posters there jumping on carmen. using some pretty nasty language and are just plain out being rude, so that just ruined it for me, I will not be posting anymore on here because of that reason. If anyone wants to continue reading it they will have to go to the link in the original post.

     Picking on spelling is a waste of time. Have you people ever seen some of the letters or notes MJ has written? He wasn’t good at spelling, and yet people call him a genius. Randy Phillips states in an interview this: I was at the hospital when he arrived but whatever happened that morning certainly wasn’t something that he ever thought or planned”. If it was something that MJ never thought or planned happen, then it is a possibility he was taken against his will. One must take account every possibility in this case.

140. Whisper Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 10:58 am

     People, no need to jump on carmen and to be rude. Take all possibilities into account of what could have happened to Michael. No one knows the truth and we are being feed lies. I like reading what carmen has to say, I may not agree with all it, however, there are possibilities to what they are saying.

141. Whisper Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 11:07 am

     carmen here is a link. Why not come and join us? There are tons of theories and info about MJ and a Hoax.
     http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/

     I’d like to hear more of what you have found.

142. Azt Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

     Thank you so much whisper carmen is extremely intiligent she is investigating working very hard you can see an amzing quality in her she does not deserve of those words anyway’s I just found something on YouTube BRIAN OXMAN One of Michael Jackson’s lawyer confirmed that the ambulance picture is FAKE AND PHOTOSHOPPED so this is a real good news for everybody you can google it hey carmen have you seen it yet? So where is one picture of MJ dead? Emmmm:)…..

143. carmen Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

     I appreciate th thought Whisper, but I am just bringing light to facts, and proposing some logical theories based on those facts. You keep on playing with the pieces of the puzzle of truth and the picture will be show itself! I am not into hoaxes and I appreciate the support but I am what I am; like a rescue dog, I go for what I need to find, it’s my purpose in life. I admire Michael as I admire Michael’s potential investment to the world ; but the problem is still there and it’s bad, too bad to let go! I’ve said what I had to say, when I will find have more thoughts to post off course I will! I tell you one thing, I have really enjoyed the research on some of Michael’s associate! I guess one super mind to another super mind is how Michael and some of his other associates can be described!! Total opposite to the research on Tohmei!

144. carmen Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

     Thank you ‘Azt’: I thought it was fake too. It’s a lot I can swallow, accept, but some things are just redefining our worth if we accept the lies! Imagine you were Michael and it happened to you?! Anyway, back to work for all of us! Thanks you for the kind words!

145. bobbyshea5 Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

     Carmen, I really, really enjoy everything that you have posted! I’ve been following a lot of hoax sites…which led me to this website, but it seems like everything you say could have validity whereas at the hoax sites its more of guesses, assuming, and outlandish connections between the craziest things. But any way, I really appreciate all the time and effort you’ve put into this!

146. bobbyshea5 Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

     *it should’ve said enjoy reading everything in the first line.

147. carmen Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

     I thought it was going to be something that would be discredited but it in an actual statement- Great! Amazing! A ray of light! Now we need Michael doing the news conference himself!! I had an stange day and was distracted for a second but this is good!

148. carmen Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

     Thank you. I am humbled! I sure hope to see this man safely back - that would be the so good for my tired eyes!

149. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

     Oh so these people aren’t “ignorant” or “idiots” for having slightly different views than you carmen? Now you decide to your manners? Yeah I’m the bad guy when I was attacked first. Let’s not forget I was accused of having mj. Lmao. That statement alone shows the elevator isn’t going quite to the top.

150. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

     Michael tells us himself what happened in his movie This Is It. It’s at the very end.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQN-mYj4uS4&feature=channel

151. Jeff Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

     This is to Marine-Wife everytime you open your mouth ignorance come out of you you don’t seem to be a civlized person at all!!!

152. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

     Jeff honey, it’s hard to be civilized when I’m hiding MJ for money.

153. marine_wife Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

     I am delighted to bring you alot of intelligent information. It’s all audible and visual… not just hearsay. Check him out!!

     http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=PianoGames#g/u

154. Whisper Says:
     February 21st, 2010 at 12:20 am

     Carmen, sorry that you have declined the offer. I’ve involved my self in Michaels case from day one, because I felt many things we were fed or told just did not add up. Hope you don’t mind, but I have posted some of your writings on the hoax forum, just because I felt it added a different sort of insight to the investigation. I will definitely keep reading any new post from you, with an open mind. I’m not 100% percent sure what happened to Michael that day, and I don’t think many of us do, but again, I will continue to look at all the possibilities of the case. Basically, I just want the truth, no matter what that may be, I can accept either way. I did not post to you to be rude, I really am interested in what you have to say. Personally, if I have offended you in any manor, I apologize, as that is not my intentions, even if you believe Michael is dead. I do believe Michael is alive, and I could be wrong as well, but I’ve seen many proofs that lead me to believe he is, and I just want proof either way, so that I can move on.

155. Whisper Says:
     February 21st, 2010 at 12:27 am

     Carmen, I also agree with you and Michaels associates, very shady indeed, and the possibilities of what they could have done to him are scary.

156. carmen Says:
     February 21st, 2010 at 12:51 am

     You absolutely have my permission to re-post my comments except the first comment when I suspected AEG to directly to be responsible, it’s my first comment because at the time I was just expressing an opinion on actual public information; but upon closer investigation, I found that there are other possible sources of threads and AEg did loose a lot because of Michael’s June 25th disappearance - that making AEG one of the list likely suspects as the source of the thread! I really didn’t have the adequate access to evaluate their on term loss when I made that 1st comment and I did retract educated guess in my later comments! If you like, I also have some properly edited comments based on actual reported stated public knowledge that are up to date with my research and I wouldn’t mind if I could send those to your page and as long as you mention that ‘those opinions are based on actual public statements of evidence & everyone is welcome to verify my research and draw their own conclusions’ you definitely have my
     thankful permission to publish! Please, may - have the exact link email were I can send you those comments? And you don’t need to apologize for anything, you have not offended me in any form, I am just slightly sensitive/cautious of hoax sites because they can sometimes discredit actual facts and that doesn’t help discover information!

157. q Says:
     February 21st, 2010 at 12:59 am

     I just want to unsubscribe of that discussion

158. marine_wife Says:
     February 21st, 2010 at 1:04 am

     At the bottom of your emails there is a link to manage your subscriptions or to block all notifications from this site. I am pretty sure it’s an easy process.

159. carmen Says:
     February 21st, 2010 at 1:23 am

     To Whisper: you amy republish all of my comments except for 18, 21, 22, 23. I have expended my list of suspects and now AEG is just the list likely corporation on my possible suspects list! Please, do include a line saying that all my informed opinion are based on published information and actual published official explanations and statements on the events that led up to and June 25th disappearance of Michael Jackson and the aftermath reaction to that event and everyone is welcome to do their research and draw their own informed opinion.’ Thank you.
     If you send me the link I will get on with sending you the info or I will use the link you send me at 2:16 am. let’s not let anyone think we are sleeping behind the wheel and believe it takes a man an hour to find the front door! Let’s bring this father back home!

160. marine_wife Says:
     February 21st, 2010 at 7:04 am

     Michael’s Pepsi accident happened on 1/27/1984. Michael was born on 8/29/1958. From the time of his birth till the pepsi accident was 9282 days(28 days 4 months and 25 years). From the date of the pepsi accident till his “death” on 6/25/2009 was 9282 days (28 days 4 months and 25 years). Could this be just coincidence???

161. Mimi Says:
     February 21st, 2010 at 9:41 am

     That no 25 specially Might have some message James brown died on dec 25th he celebrated the 25th year of thriller and the so called death was 25 of June could this be coincidence too?

162. Whisper Says:
     February 21st, 2010 at 10:11 am

     Carmen,
     The link I provided was a link to the forum. You can’t post on the forum unless you are a member. I will write to your e-mail address. That way you can send me the information through e-mail and I can post it to the forum. Should I use this e-mail address to contact you through?
     clange71@yahoo.com

163. carmen Says:
     February 21st, 2010 at 10:14 am

     Yes, please. Thank you. clange71@yahoo.com

164. Whisper Says:
     February 21st, 2010 at 10:29 am

     Thanks Carmen, I sent you mail.

165. toolsgrl Says:
     February 21st, 2010 at 11:45 am

     I have read everyone’s opinions and facts and clues. Marine wife… I have watched all your videos and articles and I have to say… I just don’t think he is dead. I really do think you have done a lot of research and NOBODY deserves to be called ignorant for having an opinion. Thank you for sharing all of your info… its been truly helpful in MY search for the truth. Carmen… I’m sure you have done A LOT of research… but if someone doesn’t have your exact opinion why would you call them ignorant? I think everyone who comes here all have the same intentions… to keep the hope alive that MJ is still alive and to do more research.

166. carmen Says:
     February 21st, 2010 at 4:56 pm

     I am not even going to attempt counting days or moon cycles: that’s not the way of discovering evidence, not for me! But, I will tell you, these: all of Michael’s actions before June 25th strongly show a man looking forward, preparing a dynamic happy public life. For example: he went house hunting in vegas and found a house he liked, he made renovations plans for the house to have a studio and a play room for the kids, he endured painful injection treatments on his nose with filler - to make his nose more photogenic - injections that prove he didn’t have a nasal prosthesis that could fall off as many sources reported the body lost a nasal prosthesis and had a dark hole instead of a nose, he bought paintings and jewelry, showed the house to the kids, he made plans for a possible comeback tour with his family in spite of having some disagreements, he rehearsed with the dancers for the past 4 month before June 25th and became involved in the production/ lighting/ music presentation/every aspect of the shows/ he had a personal trainer to build lean muscle, he was observed by his close friends and associate -not C Murray - as in a very upbeat mood, happy etc..in spite of constantly reporting fears of threats to his life and consistently taking actions that shows not a paranoid man; but a man who tries to run from the threat yet the threat pursues him! What I am mean to say is that he was not acting paranoid; but the way he was trying to defend himself and his kids from his fears shows a man who is reacting to the threat instead of paranoia. For example: a paranoid man never leaves his home, has no friendships, doesn’t interact with others, no sense of humor! Michael loved to go about his life in public, be friendly to his associates, loved to go shopping, doctor appointments, driving around town, meetings etc.; those are not the actions of a paranoid man. Yet, he has an advisor record him on tape, saying he fears Thomei might be a threat to his life and Tohmei manipulates his money against and without informing him, etc etc. Then tells the advisor who taped his fears of Tohmei to release those tapes in case something happens to him. Then he goes back to playing with his kids, making friendly funny calls to his personal trainer, interacting with the bodyguards and staff in a friendly way etc.etc.. Then all of a sudden, weeks before June 25th, he takes his children, whom he veiled and protected form the paparazi so well, nobody knows what they look like and without even getting them dressed well or combing their hair, in plane house track pants, drags them out in front of the paparazi cameras for a stroll?!?! That was the first time the world sow what Michael’s kids looked like!!! Then he goes about his friendly business, kissing and hugging all his friends and associates -not the action of a paranoid man- but the actions of a man who wants to live life to the fullest and was, before June 25th looking forward to a great long successful happy life, maybe the actions of a man in denial of how scared he really felt ! Not the actions of a man looking to fake his death, but the actions of a man who is being scared / intimidated by someone! Michael’s behavior before June 25th is like someone who refuses to accept a threat that just keeps on being reinforced; these, Michael’s defensive reactions, leads me to believe somebody was threatening him!
     Off course, the children’s pains are so shocking and real I burst into tears and I don’t cry at my good friend funeral, but those kids suffering and long term psychological damage is horrible and no money will be able to ever fix those tears which will manifest throughout their lives! Michael having been an abused child himself, would never consent to allowing his kids to believe he was dead or in danger! If Michael were faking his death, those kids would have been taken from one car to the other and we would have been lucky to have seen the back of their heads! But instead, the explicit pain and devastation and pleas into the cameras, show whatever happened to Michael on June 25th, he was completely unprepared and the level of threat that he said he feared was much more dangerous then he ever expected! Suffering speaks louder then hoaxes!

167. carmen Says:
     February 21st, 2010 at 5:24 pm

     Anytime. I keep my work emails at the office, unless it’s urgent, I will get it this afternoon - also, I didn’t do the calculations, and I don’t usually think of those type of calculations, but I doubt that those numbers are correct. Even if those numbers are correct there is a 50% chance of coincidence and 50% chance of possible evidence of a set up! I hate to work with 50% probability but if any criminal was that calculated, well that’s opens up the suggestions that the ‘bad guys’ could really be unstable!! Then again those numbers could be pure coincidence. I hope those numbers are pure coincidence!! I get chills thinking those numbers could not be coincidence.

168. marine_wife Says:
     February 22nd, 2010 at 10:28 am

     I’m not quite sure what “moon phases” has to do with simple math, but ok. If anyone is interested in calculating moon phases, then you can find help at this link: http://www.voidware.com/moon_phase.htm.

     The finding of 9282 days was simple math. Please don’t get that confused with moon phases. We are talking about elementary school math vs astrology. My two boys, ages 12 and 9 even know basic addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. But for those who may get simple math and astrology confused, here is a link to a multiplication table:
     http://math.about.com/blgrid.htm.

     If you feel compelled to do the math, I will provide the dates again. Pepsi commerical (the root of ruining his life) occured on 1/27/84. Michael was born on 8/29/58. That is 25 years, 4 months and 28 days. If you do basic multiplication, that is 9282 days. Michael “died” on 6/25/09. From the Pepsi accident on 1/27/84 until his “death” on 6/25/09, is once again 25 years, 4 months and 28 days. And again, if you do multiplication (not to be confused with astrology) that is once again 9282 days. Enough on math. I can’t elaborate any more then that.

     Let’s move on to Janet Jackson. Janet was working on a film that was in pre-production. She was working in Georgia. The film was Tyler Perry’s - Why Did I Get Married 2. Janet was in GA when she got a call from her manager saying that Michael had been taken to UCLA hospital. Janet did her first interview after MJ’s death with Laura Brown, where she talked about being in Atlanta filming. http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/showbiz/2009/09/11/dcl.janet.interview.harpers.cnn.html

     Janet also did an interview aprox 2 months later with ABC news where when asked where she was when she learned her brother was being taken to UCLA… she said “it was just another day in my NY apartment”.
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p5rDzV7iPk

     Now I’m sure about anyone else, but I think I would remember where I was when I found my brother/loved one died. No more explaining is needed there….

169. marine_wife Says:
     February 22nd, 2010 at 10:29 am

     Now on to Joe Jackson. Everyone (who knows Michael) knows that MJ and Joe did not have the best relationship. Michael has always loved his father, but it was always an uneasy relationship. Joe Jackson is worthy of making a few points. During a Larry King Live interview, Joe was asked how he learned of Michael’s death. Joe replied “well, i learned that by some of the fans you know. Uh they called me and told me that the uh ambulance was leaving Michael’s house…..”. The FANS called Joe Jackson to tell him that his SON was being taken to the hospital?? And there was a firetruck following the ambulance?? Really? Where? I never saw a firetruck. I could be wrong though. He was trying to “learn more from the fans and that sort of thing” (after he found out about MJ). Weird, don’t you think? And to make a 6:37 video short, Joe didn’t know the results of the private autopsy. Why wouldn’t you want to find out the results of the private autopsy report that was ordered?? When Joe was asked where Michael’s body is… he said he didn’t know. He said after the memorial they took it and he don’t know where it is. WHY wouldn’t you know where your CHILD’S body is??! This interview took place 4 weeks after MJ’s “death”. When Joe was asked how the children were, he said “everyone is fine thank you. very fine.”. Then asked if it was hard to accept… he said “accept what larry??” …. WEIRD. The entire interview is scetchy. He never got to see the body? Here is the video to see:
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXQkkQNuaQI
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2qycVHI4I4

     Jermaine has had several slip ups since MJ’s “passing”. I will provide a couple links that can be looked at. There are several actually.
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Tf5OV1aSY

     And Jermaine said it himself “This is NOT it. The best is yet to come”. hmmm We shall see =)
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eJmaQQ5rWE

     Let’s take another closer look at the Dave Dave theory. If you are not familiar with Dave Dave, you can read his story here: http://www.makli.com/david-rothenberg-burn-victim-006211/.

170. marine_wife Says:
     February 22nd, 2010 at 10:33 am

     Now on to Joe Jackson. Everyone (who knows Michael) knows that MJ and Joe did not have the best relationship. Michael has always loved his father, but it was always an uneasy relationship. Joe Jackson is worthy of making a few points. During a Larry King Live interview, Joe was asked how he learned of Michael’s death. Joe replied “well, i learned that by some of the fans you know. Uh they called me and told me that the uh ambulance was leaving Michael’s house…..”. The FANS called Joe Jackson to tell him that his SON was being taken to the hospital?? And there was a firetruck following the ambulance?? Really? Where? I never saw a firetruck. I could be wrong though. He was trying to “learn more from the fans and that sort of thing” (after he found out about MJ). Weird, don’t you think? And to make a 6:37 video short, Joe didn’t know the results of the private autopsy. Why wouldn’t you want to find out the results of the private autopsy report that was ordered?? When Joe was asked where Michael’s body is… he said he didn’t know. He said after the memorial they took it and he don’t know where it is. WHY wouldn’t you know where your CHILD’S body is??! This interview took place 4 weeks after MJ’s “death”. When Joe was asked how the children were, he said “everyone is fine thank you. very fine.”. Then asked if it was hard to accept… he said “accept what larry??” …. WEIRD. The entire interview is scetchy. He never got to see the body? Here is the video to see:
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXQkkQNuaQI
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2qycVHI4I4

171. marine_wife Says:
     February 22nd, 2010 at 10:34 am

     Jermaine has had several slip ups since MJ’s “passing”. I will provide a couple links that can be looked at. There are several actually.
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Tf5OV1aSY

     And Jermaine said it himself “This is NOT it. The best is yet to come”. hmmm We shall see =)
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eJmaQQ5rWE

     Let’s take another closer look at the Dave Dave theory. If you are not familiar with Dave Dave, you can read his story here: http://www.makli.com/david-rothenberg-burn-victim-006211/.

     Dave Dave’s real name is David Rothenberg. Dave Dave did a Larry King Live interview on the day of the burial. He said he first met Michael when he was 7. David was born in 1977. So he was 7 years old in 1984 when he met Michael. Larry King asked him where he first met Michael. Dave Dave said he met him at Neverland Ranch. Michael didn’t even purchase the land that Neverland is on until 1988. So it’s impossible to have met Michael at Neverland in 1984. Here is the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En5Q4syywcw.

     The same day (after the LKL interview) Dave Dave was interviewed again. He was asked again where he met MJ. Now they met at his mother’s Encino home. He was tapped on the shoulder by Michael in both interviews, but can’t “remember” where he first met Michael?? Neverland Ranch is in Los Olivos, CA. Encino is 110 miles away, which is about a 2 hour drive. Here is that video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgETjAJgvCA&feature=related

     Here is a picture of David Rothenberg and Dave Dave on LKL:
     http://img202.imageshack.us/i/davedave.jpg/
     http://img42.imageshack.us/i/davedavelklcrop.png/

     David Rothenberg has two different colored eyes. I’m not sure if maybe he’s blind in one due to the fire…. or if he just has two different colored eyes. Dave Dave has brown eyes on LKL… and they don’t look the same to me. They surely don’t sound the same either. I provided the LKL interview with Dave Dave. Now here is the real Dave Dave’s video:
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0W5W8KNJgM

     They don’t sound the same to me. ??

     Here is another great video worth looking at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBLNBlExKds&feature=related

172. marine_wife Says:
     February 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 am

     Here is Michael made up in prosthetic makeup to look like Mayor in the short film Ghost.
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BPaDo_OMr0

     Here is how they did it:
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUnXnyFrdFo&feature=related

     Michael was a master of disguises ;-) He loved going out in disguise =)

     Something else I find odd. Releasing in June of 2010 is a comic book Michael co-wrote called Fated. It’s about a pop star who attempts suicide but lives and doesn’t tell anyone. Odd?
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaDz6rk5E5c

     And as if this “Dr. Conrad Murray” things isn’t strange… there is yet another Dr. Conrad Murray also in houston TX. You can find him on Twitter. But here is his picture. This Dr. Conrad Murray is white:
     http://img203.imageshack.us/i/whitemurray.jpg/

     And, he was in court the day Dr. Conrad Murray (MJ’s doct) went to court. See him here: http://img695.imageshack.us/i/whitemurraycourt.jpg/

     This whole “Dr. Conrad Murray” thing is fishy.

     Any fan of Michael Jackson who ACUTALLY LISTENS to his music knows that Michael does speak about his life through his lyrics. He has not written every song that he has perfomed. There are alot of messages in the songs that he has written. I’m not going to list all the songs he has actually written… but he has always left very important messages in his music.

     Let’s not forget the tabloid that printed in Jan of 09′ that Michael only had 6 months to live. Just so happens he “died” exactly 6 months later?? Riiiiiight.
     http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jackson-six-months-to-live.jpg

     You must understand Michael Jackson and KNOW his music to have an understand about what is possibly going on here.

     There are some powerful lyrics in the song “They Don’t Care About Us”. You can read the lyrics here:
     http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/michaeljackson/theydontcareaboutus.html

     And of course we can’t forget about incorporating the movie Gilda in Michaels’s This Is It movie. Michael obviously played the part of Gilda’s husband. The story line in Gilda is in detail in this link… but I will tell you this - Gilda’s husband had to fake his death..
     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilda

     And last but not least… Michael Joseph Jackson has given us a VERY POWERFUL message. If you don’t listen or look at anything else, please watch this!
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQN-mYj4uS4&feature=channel

173. carmen Says:
     February 22nd, 2010 at 1:42 pm

     Joe Jackson was denied the right to see the results to the private autopsy. Joe Jackson clearly stated he never saw the body. Except for Janet, who did sign the temporary ER certificate, and did 2 interviews explaining she ‘was told to sign the death cert.’ only part of the family saw Michael’s still warm body after 2:30 pm.: the mother, the kids, LaToya, Jermain who also happens to be a new convert to Islam and off course Tohmei, the lebanese financial advisor Michael feared to death according to his own statements, and the bodyguards hired by Tohmei who brought in Dr. C. Murray for the children and Nurse Lee, a nutritional nurse Michael only saw in 2 occasions in March! Jermain’s judgment skills are, in my opinion, completely impaired and easily influenced and this is the behavior that indicates Jermain is easily manipulated: June 25th, after he announces Michael dead at the hospital with Tohmei at his side, he looks calm and that evening he does a 1h long interview with Larry King at Neverland discussing
     the possibility of making Neverland into Graceland investment, memories, his demeanor is calm and financially oriented! His demeanor stays the same until 2 weeks after the death pass and after the memorial. At this point in time the media almost idolizes Michael as a saint; Jermain goes on an interview in a panic, desperate panic, with crocodile tears, begging that people stop humiliating Michael and saying ‘I wish it was me…’ Those tears would have been appropriate on June 25th, not 2 weeks after the ‘death’ and days after the memorial. Joe Jackson was approached by media journalists the 2 days after June 25th and asked how he was holding up? His answer was ‘Great. Doin’ just fine!’ and kept walking yet within 2 weeks his demeanor changed from great to crocodile tears, desperate attempts to use the media to cry out ‘foul play, something is wrong, powerful people involved etc.etc.’! Then an entire wave of Michael Sightings came all over the world, some looked like obvious impersonators, while others more like the real Michael; then everyone calmed down, Jermain went on dancing with stars and is seen laughing, the rest of the family relaxed although they continued to act confused! Now, if Michael was willingly faking his death, why would his children’s suffering be presented for everyone to see on TV, why would the family burst into tears 2 weeks after the memorial and not the day of the death, why would he go house hunting in Vegas and pick a house and order renovations to that house if he was planning to fake his death, why would he buy on credit art if he knew he was gonna fake his death and all that art would just go back to the stores? Michael’s actions, the kids reactions, and the families relaxed/panic/relaxed behavior show what ever happened to Michael on June 25th took him by complete surprise.

174. judith smith Says:
     February 22nd, 2010 at 2:57 pm

     I have been reading all of the comments in this forum and i believe a-lot of people have different theories, and opinions. And that’s everybody’s right but,when people getting to bashing each other in here i just think that’s wrong i really don’t think michael dead or alive would agree with all this animosidy, and i am not here to judge anyone by any means i just think that everyone should try to get along and voice thier own opinions without being critisised. It’s all about L.O.V.E. Personaly i think he is alive and please nobody bash me for this it’s just my gut feeling. And i wish everyone could come to some common ground with all this. Because this is a very serious situation. And if i have misspelled anything please except my apologies. God bless everyone.

175. radison Says:
     February 22nd, 2010 at 9:11 pm

     yes everybody is entitled to their own opinion and theories but should at least get the facts straight before screaming blue murder!!!! no sister signed the DC, that is the most ridiculous thing i’ve heard since this all started!!! latoya jackson simply gave the info needed to fill in certain documents, she isin no way authorized to sign a DC!!! and i truly believe that any single person holding irrefutable evidence WOULD NOT BE ON A SHITTY FORUM BITCHING AT ALL
     WHO DO NOT AGREE WITH HER “THEORIES” that is just my opinion

176. carmen Says:
     February 22nd, 2010 at 11:09 pm

     Well, I’ll tell you something about this case and evidence. Here’s why I keep evidence weather public or something else off site, locked up and under next to impossible to find circumstances unless go to get it. I had a source, which I cannot name, provide me with some unique photograph and a few other things. This is was before my postings in the fall. I was told by a colleague and friend of mine, that if I want to go and clear the smoke scream around Michael public evidence to install this program on my phone that will prevent everyone from illegally having access to my phone. I hate to be paranoid, even if there is good reason for it. I would rather deal with the threat materialize in front of me then sleep with one eye open. Hey, if I’ve learned anything in life is that when it’s your time it’s your time: some people jump out of airplanes and the parachute doesn’t open and they survive, others skid on a bar of soup and die. Some people survive 18yrs without crying out for help as hostages, like Jayce Dugardprobably misspelled her name while other people get killed because they are talking on the cell phone and can’t look where they are walking! Cell phones are suppose to be very hard to break into, I know it’s been done before and there were stars who’s phone have been accessed illegally by some paparazi, etc.etc but I do not believe it; I wanted to see it happen! So, I started my postings in the fall, worked like crazy for hours and hours, there was a lot of ‘COVER UP - distract’ info, that means there was a lot of messages saying Michael lives on mars and has a gay alien lover crazy stuff information. That kind of info is traditionally used to distract people from looking for evidence. Make people feel stupid for asking questions, force people to not react when obvious lies are being fed - any criminal suspect when is first cross examined by authorities most likely says, ‘your crazy, I didn’t do it, she did it to herself’ etc. etc. so - had to go in an info. war with this people and throw my findings in their faces and make them look stupid! It took a lot of patience, many sleepless nights, and a lot of work. In the mean time, before I forgot that before I started my postings I hid a picture of ‘the body’ which looked nothing like Michael at the staples center on June 23rd. This body fit the profile given by media sources to all the journalists over the 4month before the funeral and 2weeks after when the autopsy was released. The man could have, if he had long hair wig and walked by fast looked a little like Michael but, the face was nothing like Michael. The forehead was very large and pronounced, but the skeletal structure of his skull was small and oval, not like Michael’s square and angular, his nose was not like Michael’s which had injectable fillers and you clearly see in both the skinny and June 23rd video footage of Michael on the ‘this is it’ video! The nose, did look more like it could have been a prosthesis! The bodies shoulders, were very narrow, Michael has big african man bones, this guy had a skeletal appearance that was more like a tiny asian. The body did look emaciated skinny, much skinner then Michael could ever be! Even the arms, and knuckles were skinny and small, chin narrow and with a very light barely noticeable mark Michael has, eyes more round and closer together etc.etc.. I think it’s a safe guess that the body in the picture was probably shorter in inches then Michael - he could have been 110p maybe even 105p was completely white like a sheet of paper, and unlike the photos of Michael at Staple’s Center were you
     can see that his face has irritation from shaving facial hair and cleaning his face with the towel from sweat, the body had absolutely not a single slight evidence of facial hair anywhere - was almost like someone who had not needed to shave in years also the hair line started abruptly with a wig, leaned back and not a single strand of hair in the receding line, just white bony skull!
     I showed that picture to a bunch of my friends and associates and they all said THAT’s NOT Michael! But that picture matches perfectly the way the dozens upon dozens of media sources report Michael! That picture was uploaded on my phone of an actual picture which with a whole bunch of articles and video’s and other stuff was loaded up and send off to a safe sight long before I started postings!
     I kept that picture in a separate file, on my private file and wanted to uploaded into a sight at the right moment! I would look at it and compare to other photos of Michael from time to time, but the cleaning up of the slander around Michael’s evidence was so heated and time consuming, I forgot to even look at that picture. I am gonna guess, that this was about January ‘10, that I remembered somebody said something about no picture of the body or something like that and I was in an elevator, thinking, ‘I’ve got a picture’ doesn’t look anything like Michael but I’ve go it, and then I looked on my phone to see it and it was GONE! No trace of the file!!! I couldn’t believe it,I never thought it could be done, it wasn’t even in my email, I felt like a kid Christmas morning. I even started telling strangers. Someone stall a picture of my phone! I tell you these, my evidence/info was given to the right people, to find Michael! It’s the first thing I did before I send everything for storage! But I was contacted
     some people claiming to want to investigate! I gave them some of the info that is enough to bust this case open! Look, everything I said is public info, if LAPD wants to investigate all the info on this site will lead them to the right people and places and all this info is public accessible by everyone!!! I gave this person a whole bunch of info to investigate, even good leads to depose, places to look, people to speak to, and now he’s dropped of the radar, M.I.A., thank goodness that’s not the highest form of law enforcement! I have a feeling he got so scared he dug a hole and buried his head in it! Don’t blame him, I am just different - you got to kill me to scare me. If I would be dead then yes, I would be scared! Anyway, nobody needs a picture of a dead body that looks a little like Michael and a lot not like Michael to figure out this is a set - up and Michael cannot be dead unless somebody killed him after June 25th! All you have to do is add up the public explanation and logic and common sense makes the lies stick out like ’sore thumb’! The only reason the media is scared to investigate is because what they reported on Michael’s body, consistently the same, before the autopsy report was released after the funeral 4 month later, matches the description at Staples Center and not the description all of their media sources reported all this time before the autopsy report was released! There is entire articles, news interviews, from respectable media sources, not just paparazi, people’s statements, powerful people’s statements that match the body I saw in that picture given to me by a source in person, and not the description in the autopsy report released in Sept - Oct after the funeral! That means that the media could get law suits against them using the autopsy report against them and then they would have to fight this people in court or fight this people in some legal way to justify their extended, detailed reports! It would be a sh**t fight!
     My apologies for the spelling mistakes, I do have some important meetings to go to soon and I cannot be late to proof read these: so if we want Michael back alive, we need to do what we would want done if we were in Michael’s shoes: make so much noise, with actual reported statements and inform as many people as possible to make it perfectly clear how stupid their explanations sound and then they will have to release Michael, or face real investigators! With real badges, and real bad attitudes!

177. Azt Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 9:30 am

     I can’t imagine for DR Jonatan not to give one interview if he really did sign the DC news media definately would have been after him :)…

178. judith smith Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 9:41 am

     Azt who is DR Jonatan?

179. marine_wife Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 9:57 am

     She means Dr. Jonathan Fielding
     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding

     http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/entertainment/michael-jacksons-death-certificate-stirs-up-controversy_100215288.html

180. Azt Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 10:36 am

     This is to Judith If you look at one Of MJ the so called DC out of the three I think you will see his signiture/ name I don’t know wether this is legit or not but you can see the name on one of him he is one of the Dr from ucla my question is how come no one bother to interview him or anything?

181. Azt Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 10:42 am

     Sorry correcting the above statment on one of them:)

182. Azt Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 12:03 pm

     Hey Judith again sorry his full name is Dr Jonatan cooper!

183. judith smith Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 12:03 pm

     Atz you know i have looked at all of his numerous dc and not one did i see that name i do apologize i’ll have to go back and look. Cause there are so many of them the numbers on the bottoms of the documents are all different. But, thank you for bringing this to my attention. Cause My niece,my sister and myself have not believed any of this from day one we have been doing a-lot of researching ourselves and not one of us picked up on that so for that i thank you. I always seen latoya’s name on it which i knew that was not afficial because i have lost 2 sons of my own and both doctors and coroners signed off on both.

184. Azt Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 12:08 pm

     This is to Judith again his full name is Jonatan cooper sorry again!

185. Azt Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 12:24 pm

     Hey Judith I am sorry about your two son oh my it must be tough God bless but if you can’t see it there I found it on the latest case on Murray Feb 8th I belive it would redirect you to the coroners case number and so on one bazaar thing I read was like carmen mentioned it how they tried to identify him by his driver license try to google it if u can:)…

186. judith smith Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 12:45 pm

     Atz first of all thank you for your kind words.But, at the minced of trying not to sound stupid i’m not quit sure what you asked me to google dear I sure hope i’m not bothering you. And yes your right i have never heard of such an obserbed thing in my life using a drivers liscence for idenity. And again i am not trying to bother you i am just really curious. Thank you for your co-operation in this manner.

187. carmen Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 1:37 pm

     Look: I am only gonna say this one time!
     I don’t know the latest version of the Death Certificate, but the ER temporary death certificate was signed by Michael’s sisters - I don’t have the video with me- but I will go looking for another copy of those interviews!

     This is to help you understand what I am also pointing out here
     Description of the body by dozens of media sources stayed consistent:
     -emaciated skinny, about 110p to 105p, no hair anywhere on the body, needle marks all over + collapsed veins, missing a nasal prosthesis and displaying a hole instead of were the nose was suppose to be, Dr. C Murray claimed he could not do adult CPR on a hard surface because Michael was to fragile skinny so he did child CPR on Michael.

     Description of the body at the morgue after the funeral by autopsy report:
     -135p -not emaciated skinny and not to skinny for CPR on a hard surface, no mention of the nasal prosthesis, no hair anywhere on the body!

     A note Michael’s Dr. Klein made sure to let everyone know, ‘Michael does not have a nasal prosthesis and Michael had been receiving injectable fillers for the past 6 month to thicken his nose and injectable fillers can only be injected in natural cartilage and not prosthesis’.
     Interestingly enough, that interview was before the missing prosthesis of the face became common knowledge among all the media sources, without Dr. Klein being asked about the nasal plastic surgeries he volunteered the information: saying, ‘I just want to mention one thing,
     ‘I want everybody to know that Michael didn’t have a prosthesis and his nose was all his but it was really thin and we were working on improving it with injectable fillers’. Then he went on to explain this in detail about 10min.. I heard the news about the missing nasal prosthesis about a week later and within days it was on print and news to the public!

     Description of Michael at Staples Center June 23: released immediately after the media reported Michael emaciated skinny:
     -about 135p not emaciated skinny, cut and slender, like most hip hop choreographers.
     -energetic, thick facial features which confirm Dr. Klein’s statements of Michael receiving injectable fillers to thicken his nose and face features.
     -moving energetic, with high flexibility and looked as athletic as the rest of the dancer.
     -performing not out of breath, very well coordinated and in tempo throughout the entire time he is filmed with no brakes in the film.
     -with obvious facial hair irritation from shaving and cleaning his face with towel
     -displaying shoulder muscles, big skeletal bones, and perfect balance and control of his body - not usually the attributes of someone with collapsed veins.

     The autopsy was 4 month delayed and released after the funeral, the evidence used to paint Michael as an addict was obtained 4 days after the death and 3days after a fleet of moving trucks, family, bodyguards, and personal went in the rented home and left without any police supervision, this also includes the people Michael feared to death!

     Dr. C. Murray explanation: that set me to investigate:
     -It took him 1hour to find the anyone in the house to call 911
     -claims he didn’t know the address of his only patient Michael
     -did child CPR in bad on Michael because he claims Michael was to skinny and fragile for adult CPR on a hard surface.
     -in statements, police found out he was on the phone making 3 personal calls when he claims he was doing child CPR on bad, non to ask anyone to call 911 or the address.
     -there is no probafol found on any of his offices or home and there is no evidence he ever bought, stored or handled probafol.
     -missing security CD always recording everything is the house and portions of the main frame security system deleted -hm..I wonder if the guys with the trucks did that or if they did that before they called the ambulance! The house was not declared a crime scene for 4days!!!
     -the body was recorded as showing lividity at 12:21pm, lividity takes about 2h to 5h to show, yet at 2:30pm, 2h after lividity/blood settling the body was recorded ‘warm’.
     Michael was described in good spirits by family and associates and doctors before June 25th; yet a strong effort was made to say he was on antidepressants, and was carrying a suicide note! Interesting, 2 days before in Dr. Klein’s office he was dancing, he managed to be a part of every part of the rehearsal, props, lighting, was described as ‘having a swagger about him’, went shopping for light fairy tale art, crank calls his personal trainer, spends time playing with the kids, and is planning charity and environmental ideas with friends and gives everybody a kiss! Shish, I wish he was my boss!!! Not exactly displaying the behavior of a suicidal guy!
     -showing off to people about selling 85 concerts in 15min and (agreed to 50 shows) and having to shut down the ticket sales office!!
     HE DON’T SOUND DEPRESSED TO ME; HE SOUNDS ON TOP OF THE WORLD! The 50 concert dates were not back to back, they were spaced out about, I think 10 days apart, he would have head a very comfortable ranch in England with horses and a few other stuff, and MICHAEL was excited about braking the record for most concert dates then Price(the singer) some kind of a personal score to settle!!!
     Yet an effort, very well financially backed effort was made to try and say that Michael was suicidal and they found a suicidal diary - hmm…I am sure that’s not the only thing that was unloaded of those trucks on Friday June 26 before the area was declared a crime scene! They still don’t have an explanation for how the bottles of probafol and oxygen tanks got inside the house or who purchased those bottles/oxygen tanks!! Don’t bother checking the security camera, the CD is gone and the main frame has missing/deleted spaces in time! Maybe Santa Clause stopped did it!
     Oh no, it could never be Tohmai, the guy Michael recorded on tape as a threat to his life, rumored to have been fired days before from Michael’s contract, the guy who hired the bodyguards who brought in an unlicensed cardiologist for the children’s health, and a nutritional nurse who never sees the inside of an operating room but accuses Michael of begging her for probafol, no it could never be Tohmei - no way, it was the illiminate, maybe it was Santa Clause, or UFO abductions?!

     Look people, if somebody wants to pressure a doctor to sign a death certificate they might not be able to do ie on the spot; 8 month later, they will find a way! There is no reason Michael’s sister would say that ’she was told to sign the death certificate’ there were copies unofficial copies all over the internet of the TEMPORARY ER death certificate with the sister’s signature, the reason they might have been in such a hurry might have something to do the fact that you need the ER death certificate signed to release the body for transport to coroner. (Maybe they had to wake-up the not dead Michael, maybe they had something to do, but whatever it was it had to be done fast). That may possibly, off all times for a fire alarm, that the fire alarm at the hospital was pulled and personal was ordered evacuated!!!

188. judith smith Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 1:59 pm

     Carmen if this got to you i am very sorry i was sending it to atz. So you can tell me as many time’s as you want to who signed what that’s what i’m looking at now i’ve always heard and seen with my own eye’s latoya signed the document. Atz and i had a conversation and he said a doctor by the name of Dr.Jonatan Cooper signed it so that is what i am looking for. I have been investigating this since day one i do not believe he is dead everyday i am on the computer researching what i can so please do not come across to me like this because i have not said nothing wrong to no-one in here nor would i. Thank You.

189. Azt Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 2:02 pm

     Hey Judith I emailed carmen something I don’t have your email I would have emailed you The site which has the coronors finding and the case no I still could not understand how they identify him just by his driver license how about taking the parents DNA?

190. carmen Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 2:03 pm

     Look: right after they brought in Michael on an ambulance, with the only evidence of Michael being in that ambulance a picture declared FAKE by Michael’s lawyer Brian Oxman , right after they brought Michael into the ER, Dr. C. Murray was seen by the children and family walking fast out of the hospital and then he was unreachable by any means for hours!! Where did he go?! What was the hurry?!?! Michael was not declared dead yet, he was the one that insisted that the EMT not declare him dead, why couldn’t he wait and see if Michael would recover?! I guess it’s a little hard to recover after lividity! Then, he was found briefly, claimed that he went to get a lawyer, and then disappeared for 3 days according to Joe Jackson! Where did he go?! He is the guy who claims to have stuck Michael with a needle in the neck vein! Did he need to do that again?!?! Because a remorseful man should wait at the hospital and explain what happened; not run out for a lawyer before the patient is even declared dead!!!
     I would be curious to know on what date he retained his attorney and if he went looking for a lawyer which lawyer did he contact on June 25th! Lawyers keep appointments, telephone records, notes, who can account for were he was the hours everyone was looking for him and Michael was in ER and he claims he was looking for a lawyer but nobody could reach him? How did he go looking for a lawyer, did he go home, did he go to downtown, who can account for the hours C. Murray was missing and Michael was on the ER table! That family claims to have IDed Michael on that table, and the picture in the ambulance is a FAKE and I believe it’s a fake!! It’s just nice to hear it from Brian Oxman! By the way the photographer claims to have taken the photo through the ambulance tainted windows and there is a photograph confirming that photographer’s location ‘taking the photo through the ambulance window’! The ambulance windows are not regular tainted windows; those windows are designed to prevent just that kind of picture!
     So were did Dr. C. Murray disappear to when Michael was in the ER and the family IDed a body ‘warm to the touch’ which was recorded as showing lividity 2h earlier?!?! He says he was looking for a lawyer, which lawyer! How many lawyers offices did he call?!?! How did he look for a lawyer and why wasn’t he answering his phone?!?!

191. carmen Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 2:31 pm

     The family IDed him at the hospital, but the temporary ER certificate was invalid, so, I got only part of the autopsy report, the first part released and got so mad I didn’t get the rest! It was a source that asked me what I thought about the ID by driver’s license and I sill don’t have the second part of the autopsy report! I will get it soon but I trust these source! I need to get some paper work done; I will check the email on wensday, when I get back to the office! I am grateful for all the help! You know, something that concerns me also is how accessible the burial place is to anyone with resources: the body is not buried in open grounds, or under 6 feet, it is on a shelve in an enclosed building offering a lot of privacy for easy access and only some guards and cameras! As long as someone bribed the grounds keeper to delete some parts of the security video, like at the rented home, all they’ve got to do is pull a shelve out to have full access to the body!

192. Azt Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 2:51 pm

     Carmen I found this site by accident I emailed you I mean it is depressing to see all the investigation the latest coronors finding etc I belive it is about 51 cases finding my brain is dead I still can not understand how they identify the body by his driver license I am very tired will post the site tomorrow:)…

193. carmen Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 2:54 pm

     I am sorry for your loss Judith: Thank God you are alright and you still have close family! I apologize, if I got a little moody with my dry humor! It was not directed towards you! It’s the result of many month of frustration. It was and is a lot of work! The initial research literally took June though end of Aug. The internet research, cleaning up a whole bunch of attacks was very hard work, fighting with polite information against non stop attempts to bury evidence! I was not expecting any help or the confirmation we got from Brian Oxman, EMT pic is fake! I just realize, that this is gonna take everybody to solve, and believe you me everybody is getting on board and I will make sure that everybody gets access to the information! I am just realizing this is one guy we all need to help! But if we bust this case, the next group of ‘crazy people’ will think twice before they release any statements saying it took them 1hour to get to the front door to find the address! Maybe, if we are all very lucky we will find Michael alive too!! I would never let this go if he is not found alive!!! I am sorry if I offended you! Apologize!!!

194. carmen Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 3:02 pm

     I am sorry for your loss Judith! I am grateful you are alright and you still have close family! I apologize, if I got a little moody with my humor! It was not directed towards you! It’s the result of many month of frustration. It was and is a lot of work! The initial research literally took June though end of Aug.
     The internet research, cleaning up a whole bunch of attacks was very hard work and I did that on my own, fighting with polite information against non stop attempts to bury/ridicule/dilute evidence! I was not expecting any help or the confirmation we got from Brian Oxman, ‘EMT pic is fake’! I just realize; everybody needs to work together and not just one team and believe you me everybody is getting on board. I am sorry if I offended you! I Apologize!!!

195. carmen Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 3:30 pm

     DNA tests are not usually done and are not required when there is a positive ID by the family member unless the body is not recognizable! The initial ID was done at the hospital and is a part of the temporary ER death cert. which needs to be signed by a doctor as well as have the cause of death, time etc. The body, after the temporary ER death cert. Is signed is ready for release to the coroner based on the ID provided to the coroner through the ER death cert. the coroner can issue a permanent DC for the courts to use! I guess there must have been some reason the coroner decided to not do a DNA test, and to ID the body by some other means but they did!!! I will have to get in touch with this source and get the info about the driver’s license! Oh, and this driver’s license ID is the only statement not backed by some huge media source or official documents or public statements that I researched! I just lost my patients when I saw the autopsy report saying the exact opposite of what dozens of sources
     consistently and without conflict have said about the body! Michael’s ER doctor was a different name too but I can’t remember at this hour! I will have to look it up!

196. judith smith Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 3:58 pm

     Carmen you know i’m thinking within the next couple of weeks things are getting ready to blow out of the water why all of a sudden would Brian Oxman Joe’s lawyer come out and say that, that photo was fake when everyone all along has known that, that picture was a photoshop from one of his concerts. I think and this is just my personnal opinion that thier trying to make way for michael to come back so everyone won’t go into shock. I think thier going to come out with some more stuff. Like Jermaine saying about all of them practicing including michael i really think they are preparing people i could be wrong. What’s your intake on this. And by the way thank you for apologizing like i said i’m not here to make enemies i have really been researching this myself and everything just is not adding up. And whatever drove michael to do this had to be really big and i just hope he is o.k. Because i am a huge fan of his he is one heck of a humanitarian and i just love him. If there were more people in the world like him this world we live in would’nt be so corrupted. Thank you and have a good day.

197. carmen Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 4:07 pm

     As long as Michael is officially found alive, and Michael holds a news conference, live in person in front of a press forum , not some internet thing, and the authorities confirm that is Michael according to DNA and now I know what he looks like, what ever explanation, even ‘alien abductions’ I will not question!!! Trust me I do have better things to do as long as the man is brought back and that DC is canceled!

198. carmen Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 4:11 pm

     As long as Michael is officially found alive, and Michael holds a news conference, live in person in front of a press forum , not some internet thing, and the authorities confirm that is Michael according to DNA and now I know what he looks like, what ever explanation, even ‘alien abductions’ I will not question!!! Trust me we all have things to do as long as the Michael is brought back and that DC is canceled!

199. carmen Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 6:37 pm

     Nope. You miss-understand marien_wife; it’s not jonathen fielding that I am thinking off, the lean ER doctor, was Ruth something. I will check and get back to you. Anyway, non of the doctors had signed the temporary ER death. Cert..

200. marine_wife Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 7:08 pm

     Has the temporary dc surfaced anywhere? I’m not saying a doct didn’t sign it. Why would the doct sign off on the official dc and not the temporary? Any ideas?

201. marine_wife Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 7:16 pm

     I agree with you Judith. Way too many slipups. Supposedly Jermaine and the Jackson 5 has been rehearsing… Including Michael. More and more slip ups everyday. I think we will all know for sure in June or so… Maybe.

202. carmen Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 11:24 pm

     Oh, no, I am not gonna give anyone that luxury! Michael did not expect to fake his death on June 25th and that is not a n educated guess that is a factual statement I am making, based on the fact, that for the last 12yrs Michael became a father to those three little kids, every single moment of his life, he went out of his way more then any father or parent I have ever seen to protect those kids from emotional abuse or harm! He even baby proved the hotel rooms and checked every little corner himself! Those kids were not ever left alone for a second or without him close by. The reason he even got his life back together and was gonna do these concerts were those kids. Michael veiled those kids, and protected them so well nobody knew even what they looked like before June ‘09, when something caused him to drag them out of the house unprepared and show their little still fragile kid faces to the paparazi. I guess he feared something might happen to him, like he says on his tapes and only names Tohmei as a threat to his life based on money, and then asks his associate to only release those tapes in case something happens to him; that may be the reason Michael dragged his kids in their track pants out in front of the media after 12yrs of veiling them and dressing them like little dolls all these time. Michael’s brother wouldn’t have burst into crocodile tears saying he ‘wishes it was him’ 2weeks after the memorial; no, I guarantee you, Michael, a man who suffered though emotional abuse as a child and as an adult would never allow his kids to be emotionally abused and suffer in open public like we all witnessed , especially for the first 2 weeks, and he would never agree to fake his death without first preparing those kids to the max so they wouldn’t cry a tear!! The only way he would agree to any kind of a ‘fake your death’ plan without preparing the kids, is if there was sudden force and deadly threat in the house in the morning of June 25th; in which case I am sure, based on his character and his whole life, he would cooperate with anything to get the threat out of the house and away from those kids; but also based on his character and sense of self sacrifice/strong leadership intelligent extreme personal fighting persistent character, it is a safe guess, that under those type of circumstances, where force and deadly threat would have been used, once he would have been face to face with his abductors and away from the kids he would not have been cooperative or nice!!! Which is a possible place Dr. C. Murray could have disappeared to for days and not be reachable by any means, like Joe Jackson said; this being the 2nd time Dr. C. Murray disappeared and was not reachable and this time he did not give an explanation for his whereabouts and only surfaced days later. The first, disappearance was at the hospital when he bolted out of the ER room as soon as Michael was brought in, or whomever or whatever was brought in with the EMT claiming to be Michael! Remember, at 2:30pm, those kids and the mother and the sisters were all
     taken to a room and saw the real Michael, ‘warm to the touch’ with a needle mark on the throat vein! That had to have been Michael for the kids/sister/mother/brother to believe he was dead; otherwise they wouldn’t have cried non stop for two weeks!!!
     Please, please, don’t anyone say that Prince profound shockingly noticeable sadness, fear, anger and concern you see in his eyes expression and body language even at the funeral 4 month later consistently is acting! No kid can consistently act like that for 4month! Please I am not a parent, but for all that is in these world, don’t anyone try to sell the idea that Paris (11yrs old) was acting consistently crying with crocodile tears for two weeks and those tears, at the memorial, if Michael ever saw those tears, publicly displayed for everyone to enjoy, he would have done RPM s to Staple’s Center and fired everyone with a job there! My best guess is that if Michael were alive and kidnapped nobody would be stupid enough to let him watch that memorial! By the way, there were dozen of rumors running rampant through the internet that Michael was going to be doing his comeback in the fall, before thanksgiving, before Christmas, early these year…I have a feeling, that unless Michael gets picked up by
     federal law enforcement SWAT team, Michael will not be doing any comeback! Regardless of the need to have him promote and make money, the people that would do this possible kidnapping with so many ’slip-ups’ would not have the intellectual capabilities to understand Michael’s full worth, long term potential and would only think about their own short term satisfaction!! If June 25th were a kidnapping, it would not be something done by a powerful company with scope because of the way it was done and the extreme lack of competence of the people who would be the only suspects found around Michael on June 25th! If this were done on June 25th by big money/company, it would have been done by a professional military intelligent team and every explanation would make perfect sense! If there would have been a slip up, that would be impossible for regular people to detect! If Michael were taken by force on June 25th, given the circumstances/explanations reported the people who would make those kind of mistakes would be a street/thugs gang maybe with some organized affiliation to a support group; the reason I am estimating some brotherly affiliation is that generally people that stupid, need some kind of organized unity to do something like a kidnapping! Those kind of people you cannot negotiate with them because they do not see past their own individual needs or indoctrinated group pride!! If those kind of people perform a kidnapping, they would never let Michael go unless force was used take him back!
     As long as he would be declared dead, he would still be a target. But if there was a threat to the thugs, as a result of people knowing Michael’s alive, they would run like ants!!! Off course, there is room to say that somebody kidnapped Michael to protect him from threat but you can never get around the obvious lack of preparation to this possible kidnapping that plunged the kids into a trauma that Michael would never permit unless he had no choice and deadly threat was a factor used to get him to agree to ‘faking his death’. But, there is a problem which makes the kidnapping for protection seem very unlikely: that problem is that the only threat to Michael is Tohmei, recorded by Michael in fear of Tohmei and with a Tohmei hired team and the recently rumored fired Tohmei at he hospital! Protect him from whom, himself?!
     Possibility of a kidnapping is one logical explanation based on unquestionable evidence of Michael being totally unprepared and the kids being psychologically victimized by this experience: Michael would never allow these unless he was surprised on June 25th and coerced into cooperation under the threat of violence!
     Michael can explain it anyway he wants and because the world loves him that much they will take him back; but, if Michael doesn’t show up, for everyone to care more for him then an explanation, people will ask questions, theorize, organize, an you play with all the factors and the ugly truth will show it’s face. It’s human nature - intelligent species against the world’s most illogical self explanatory lies ! Sorry for writing so much - but I am not holding my breath for June!

203. marine_wife Says:
     February 23rd, 2010 at 11:40 pm

     I’m pretty positive his kids and family know he’s alive. So he didn’t “do” anything to his family except protect them. Don’t forget michael is currently rehearsing with his brothers.

204. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 12:30 am

     If Michael were rehearsing with his brothers like you say; the people he was terrified of would still have access to him and the luxury of getting away with murdering him for any personal vendetta, until the moment he is officially declared alive !! If he were rehearsing with his brothers like you said!!! Do you have any idea how much hatred it takes for Tohmei to loose his composure and intimidate Michael to the point he made those tapes in fear of his life? It takes a lot of emotional aggressive behavior to make a superstar fear for his life! Emotional aggressive behavior is not rational behavior and usually that kind of anger is the result of some personal bad feelings towards the person intimidated - also known as taking something personal offense / vendetta !! It takes a lot of negativity to scare to death a powerful man! According to Michael’s tapes, Tohmei scared him to death!! That’s emotional aggressive irrational unpredictable behavior for an educated financial advisor!
     Trusting the people who Tohmei may have access to influence, is as ridiculous as the rumored firing of Tohmei from Michael’s contract ; but days later sending him to sleep in a house hold with a team of doctor/bodyguards assembled by the guy who’s the threat on record!!!

205. marine_wife Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 12:48 am

     So your personal “knowledge” is greater than michaels’s own brothers words?? You said yourself you didn’t even know a single song he sang before his “death”. You my dear do not know michael jackson as a fan or otherwise. You don’t know what michael is capable of. You get your info from hearsay on the internet where people can say whatever they want you to believe. You surely don’t know that man better than his own brother. I’m sorry carmen but I believe jermaine over you. If you were ever a fan or followed michael you would know his capabilities. Not knowing a single song he sung and now claiming you know all his ins and outs over his own brothers words is ludacrist. You don’t know mj and never ever will. You can’t cram 46 years of knowledge in 8 months. Educate yourself on michael and his family. Look outside the box that your brain is stuck in with tohme tohme. There are such things as witness protection programs for those in fear. Educate yourself on michael jackson’s psyche. You are so convinced that you are right that you can’t even open your eyes beyond your personal beliefs. In the end it will be that says I told you so. I’m unsubscribing from this blog. This one way thinking is old. There are no new points. There is evidence of a death hoax every single day by his own family. There’s no need for me to read this one person overly opinionated bs any longer. I will however, come back just to say “I told you so”. Open your eyes people. Mj is alive. And good riddens to this board overtaken by a straight communist

206. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 1:20 am

     Nope ‘marin-wife’ you are wrong again. My information was obtained from public sources and then followed though field work, my postings did not start until oct. ‘09. I used only verified public information sources for my logical informed opinion which I went and researched and varied at list through the source of the information to be reliable -I did do some field work I will not discuss it!! Jermain was put on hold for the Jackson 5 comeback tour by Michael who choose to do the O2 concerts before the Jackson 5; but I doubt he would realized the extend of the actions at the hospital, if Michael were kidnapped, until 2 weeks after the memorial when he went on TV crying crocodile tears saying ‘he wished it was him’!
     Michael is a leader, a forgive, a straight man, a lover of women -usually the kind with round hips- intelligent, protective, dignified, ambitious, honest, self sacrificing, determined powerful father! I wish he will raise a lot of kids, because he is the best father I have ever seen among us people! Even when compared to my own father - a brilliant man military - but not as attentive or attached to me as Michael is to his kids!!! I know Michael, I know Michael better then the people around him!

207. marine_wife Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 1:54 am

     You say you show disprespect by mispelling names. Sure hope you aren’t spelling my name with ‘ ‘ wrong out of disrespect.

     That interview Jermaine did was AFTER mj died. Sorry that you feel you are right.

     Anyway, I’m finally home on my computer instead of my blackberry… I can finally unsubscribe from this circus!! It just goes round and round. So repetitive. The same 3 points over and over and over again. And…. over again. AND over AGAIN.

     Anyone elses theories are wrong. Anyone elses opinion is wrong. Anyone elses evidence is wrong. Michael’s families slip-ups are wrong. Everyone closest to Michael are wrong. The interviews you can see and hear are wrong. The pictures of foul play evidence are wrong. Carmen is right. There is a word for that. It’s called narcissism. Add Freud to your daily readings as well to learn personality traits. Controlling behavior is not healthy.

     My postings here are officially done. I’m not going to be beaten and battered and ridiculed by someone who thinks they know Michael Jackson better than anyone else around him. That is just outrageously crazy. Not to mention… P.S.Y.C.H.O.T.I.C

     This really is an unhealthy forum/board.

     Like Jermaine said “this is not it. the best is YET to come”

     PS
     Michael Jackson wrote a “fictional” book about faking his death.. including how and why. Interesting if I must say myself ;-)

     BUH BYE!!!!!!!!! xoxo

208. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 2:22 am

     See you around ‘marine-wife’! I appreciate your passion!

209. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 2:24 am

     See you around ‘marine-wife’! I appreciate your aggressive passion!!

210. Azt Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 3:00 am

     Carmen have you recived my email I sent you last night? I need your expertise in that I was extremely depressed going through everydetail of the coronors and investigators finding!

211. eva avila Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 3:13 am

     carmen great work here we would like to invite you over to our site you are right on with all your theories and conclusions we need someone like you on our site i promise you wont get the negativity like some comments here at least i hope not please let me know if you will join us soon i hope if not i will keep reading your blogs here if u dont mind and we dont correct your spelling there either!lol hope you will join us we need positive thinking and real investigators like you you are a main topic in our site today just fyi so i will take the step and invite you to join either way nice site and i enjoyed your comments thanks for trying to tell the truth as we all know it! ty, eva btw my screen name on mjhd is moonie looking forward to your response and most importantly having you join our team thanks again eva

212. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 3:15 am

     No not yet. I am having some preparation for the next phase in these research! As soon as I get to my computer I will email you today and if not today, tomorrow morning! I could use the extra helping hand since most of my initial research is looked up and I don’t want to ask them to send me copies because they always get it wrong or take forever! Don’t allow this to depress you, think about it like that, you are helping, not ignoring the situation. That’s being a good person and it may just be enough to save a man’s life! I’ll email you if the meeting gets canceled. I just don’t want to use my phone to open our private emails.

213. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 3:26 am

     No not yet. I am having some preparation for the next phase in these research! As soon as I get to my computer I will email you today and if not today, tomorrow morning! I could use the extra helping hand since most of my initial research is looked up and I don’t want to ask them to send me copies because they always get it wrong or take forever! Don’t allow this to depress you, think about it like that, you are helping, not ignoring the situation. That’s being a good person and it may just be enough to save a man’s life! I’ll email you now. I just don’t want to use my phone to open our private emails. Keep in mind : michael is very smart and if he has to deal with dangers, he is a survivor! Hopefully!

214. Azt Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 4:01 am

     Thank you carmen thanks I am just dying untill you open it and take a closer look at everything God this is killing me alive!

215. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 5:17 am

     Ok, some sort of server problem with yahoo mail, they are fixing it! Do me a favor, please email me at carmennea39@gmail.com Azt or Whisper, and everyone with any info on Michael. Thank you! Should know better then to use y*h**mail! Eva , I would love to give you some info to post on your site also, whisper,I’ll send you the info and articles and cds and video’s beginning this wensday -I just need your email again in case the server doesn’t save my yahoo information!!!

216. Azt Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 6:32 am

     Carmen I sent you twice to the gmail if u still have not recived it let me know!

217. Azt Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 6:49 am

     Hey carmen I have emailed to the gmail open the PDA file!

218. Azt Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 8:12 am

     Ok Judith if you go to google and put this case no 2009-04415 type whose case no of the lapd finding or something it should take you to those site and open the one with PDA file oh my I need help I am depressed alone!

219. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 8:21 am

     I need to get back in front of the comp in 30min. Don’t be depressed, just look at all the info and see what makes sense

220. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 9:23 am

     No, I it’s not on my gmail! I am here now can you send it again! Sorry my work makes my schedule not the other way around!

221. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 9:30 am

     Ok, I am here, nothing in my mail carmennea39@gmail.com. Make sure you have 2 ns!

222. Azt Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 9:57 am

     Carmen I don’t know why it is not sending it until then try the case no that I gave Judith on google and ask whose case is this or whose case no finding something it would pick it up then from there go to the one with PDF file the case no again is 2009-04415 (of the autopsy finding and everything try and let me know:)…

223. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 10:10 am

     Look, maybe it’s a large file. It’s better if we give it a while! Please, Axt, don’t be depressed. Whatever happened the autopsy report is most likely not Michael’s body but some other poor guy or absolutely fake! Look for inconsistencies, and try to see if what they are saying makes sense,try to see it from both the cad guy and the victim’s prospective. Also, of you have a lot of info, try to send several emails! The smaller the emails the less a delays!! I hope they fix the yahoo mail, I had some important information in there!

224. judith smith Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 10:13 am

     Atz i really, really apriciate your help in this manner dear but, either i am an idiot or it’s not working for me when i typed it in it says there is no such case number. I really do apriciate your help and if i am bothering you i am not ofended. So don’t feel bad at least you did try and work with me. And for that i thank you.

225. Azt Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 10:21 am

     Thank you so much carmen you truly have a big heart the reason I even mentioned I met michael is because of you and really was nice knowing you I have a lot to share with you in the future but I will go home and try to send you again thanks carmen:)…

226. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 10:23 am

     Faith, patience and perseverance are what made Michael and that will help save him too! So we are having some email / server problems, we will figure it out! Tomorrow morning 8:30am I am in the office and by God I hope my email is fixed! Please, everybody email me at my gmail, the server crushed my yahoo ID and it’s not accessible currently! Thank you!!

227. Azt Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 10:29 am

     Hey Judith u know google picks up senstive infos so u can for ex ask is this michael Jackson autopsy case you play it around in google belive me u will find it and see the one with PDF file it is the latest finding it has all kind of discription there it goes up to no 51 as I said play with it it is the latest finding once u and carmen found it we can discuss one by one right now I want some one to join me it makes you emotional looking at everything:)…

228. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 10:32 am

     Anytime! Please be strong! Maybe if Michael pulls though these in one piece maybe one day you’ll introduce me! That one person in the music business that really is an artist! Was he cool?! He just has this cool feel to him, kinda like James Bond or is it just because I’ve been measuring the space between his eyes to many times?!?!

229. m*j*lives Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 10:33 am

     Any one that reaches this site or posts a comment on this site all reached it the same way… because they believe Michael is alive… somehow… someway! Everyone has spent time doing research or we wouldn’t be here. Everyone here knows there are clues, and free public information to get their hands on. I have my opinions (which I believe he is alive) but it doesn’t seem that anyone that posts on this site with an opinion other than him being kidnapped is listened to. In fact people get ridiculed and then feel like they have to leave the site even when they had good info to share. I hope that with you saying that you know Michael you take into consideration that in his own words its all for love. It’s all about the love. His fans were everything to him. And though he would be happy with everyones passion about him living… I think he would be disappointed that not everyone has a voice. I will continue my research on Michael living. BUT… I know now that it is impossible to share findings on this site without being ridiculed. I also think that when he DOES come back… there will be someone on this site eating her words and feeling bad for driving intelligent people with great research and ideas away. So sad

230. Whisper Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 11:14 am

     Carmen,
     Sent you a mail to your gmail addy so you will have my e-mail address again. Thanks

231. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 11:21 am

     Is that the piece of paper that describes his with a tatoo over his head, and with puff instead of hair and ends in Michael/’the body’ having no hair, says nothing of the nasal prosthesis etc etc…

232. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 11:30 am

     Thank you. Whisper, I have a question, can you publish without violating any copyright an written stories or at part of the story/ interviews?

233. Azt Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

     Hey carmen or Judith let me know if you guys are able to find it so we can discuss tomorrow hey carmen yes Michael was very cool when I met him it was a rainy evening in Washington DC as I mentioned was apr 1st 2004 the rest I will email u someday I just don’t like to discuss it here definately was an overwhelming experience for me:)…

234. judith smith Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

     AZT I still have’nt been able to find it i’ve been looking all night and if you guys don’t mind i would like to jump on the ban wagon with you. Thank You Again.

235. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

     Was a rainy day in washington? That city always looks good, no matter what the weather, even on a storm, you look at Washington Dc and still feel like you are in heaven!
     That’s a cool place! I am sorry , I miss it, haven’t been through DC in many years!
     To ‘m*j*lives’: he better be alive - don’t worry about my ‘words’, I’ve never put love before duty. My life is not for love, it’s for something stronger Faith and duty!that’s gonna keep some ‘bad’ people forever close to my ‘heart’!

236. Azt Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

     Hey Judith I am back have u tried google? It is from the very latest case feb 10 or something google usually picks very sensitive info:)…

237. carmen Says:
     February 24th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

     Azt: didn’t get your mail yet. I will be working on this for the rest of the day. I have Whisper, thank you so much. Really interested in all the sensitive information and I am working on a secure computer were all the info gets dumped twice a day. So it should all be safe! Thank you! Azt, please, I have so much work to do on this I appreciate any sensitive info with a grateful heart! Thank you!!

238. carmen Says:
     February 25th, 2010 at 5:53 am

     Azt: your email is not working. There was a server problem with my email. Maybe you can check yours.

239. RoulKLinear Says:
     February 25th, 2010 at 6:50 am

     everyone posting on this website is wrong. michael jackson died 20 years ago. an imposter has taken his identity all these years. which would explain the child molestation cases and the drug abuse that the real michael jackson never would have done.

     http://all-hot-topics.today.com/2009/06/26/is-michael-jackson-really-dead/

240. lori Says:
     February 25th, 2010 at 7:14 am

     Dear Carmen , Did you ever think about joining a death hoax page there is some good people on thes forum that are in alot pain from michael missing , we are sick with worry , you could made us feel alittle hope that he is really alive and we have to do something to get him back , Please help us get our lives back and get our Michael back safe . thank you for writing all this info .here is a really good forum please join and help us ..for L.O.V.E. LORI…(THE DEATHOFMICHAELJACKSON.COM

241. Azt Says:
     February 25th, 2010 at 7:51 am

     Hey carmen I am going to check it in about 2hrs I don’t know what is going on!

242. judith smith Says:
     February 25th, 2010 at 8:21 am

     Hey carmen here’s a good one for you what do you make of this.http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/02/24/michael.jackson.tape/index.html?section=cnn_latest hope this is right. If it’s not right let me know i’ll try recopying.

243. judith smith Says:
     February 25th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

     Dear Mr.RoulKLinear, You are really a sick man go back where you came from you are definately not wanted in here go talk to tmz, or the tabloit you talk like them go sell your story.

244. carmen Says:
     February 25th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

     ‘RoulKLinear’: I analyze evidence in various cases. Non as absurd as Michael’s June 25th event. I do not participate in a hoax, I do information analysis and field research of real actual factors which are involved in these crimes against one of the most essential and influential humanitarians in our quickly changing world. I wish I could take every case but my time is very limited so I choose to use my talents on a man who has changed the world and made it a better place and a man who has the greatest chance to help and influence most people around the world to live better lives; especially in real poor and dangerous places where humans cry out for help!
     I do not stick mu head in the sand and let the behind stick out to the sky unprotected; just what this ‘hoaxtsters’ are doing! I already showed everyone I am only interested on analyzing the reported facts and not ‘ make-belive’

245. carmen Says:
     February 25th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

     ‘RoulKLinear’: I analyze evidence in various cases. Non as absurd as Michael’s June 25th event. I do not participate in a hoax, I do information analysis and field research of real actual factors which are involved in these crimes against one of the most essential and influential humanitarians in our quickly changing world. I wish I could take every case but my time is very limited so I choose to use my talents on a man who has changed the world and made it a better place and a man who has the greatest chance to help and influence most people around the world to live better lives; especially in real poor and dangerous places where humans cry out for help!
     I do not stick mu head in the sand and let the behind stick out to the sky unprotected; just what this ‘hoaxtsters’ are doing! I already showed everyone I am only interested on analyzing the reported facts and not ‘ make-belive’
     I don’t do lies; only work with real facts, real statements, real analysis!

246. judith smith Says:
     February 25th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

     Carmen i could’nt have said it better myself but, your right you are on a mission and no matter what anyone else thinks,says, or does it’s your business.

247. carmen Says:
     February 25th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

     As an American, it is my business more then the blood in my veins!!!

248. dmovie27 Says:
     February 25th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

     I’m here to tell you you are not even in the ballpark on what’s really going on, carmen. Stop trying to play “All the President’s Men” and open your eyes to how the world really works. Yes, none of this evidence adds up, but not because AEG has kidnapped Michael. Michael is fully aware of everything going on around him. You underestimate Michael’s intelligence by pushing these bogus theories that he would be so naive’ to his own circumstances. He is much more in the know than you can ever imagine. Wake up!

249. zippy Says:
     February 25th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

     Okay, I read you posted here. I listened to where Jermaine Jackson said that MJ was safekeepings. What do you think of this, Carmen?

250. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 12:06 am

     Oh for GoODnesS sake will you people let Michael rest in peace? Do you actually believe that an empty casket went unnoticed by his family? Do you really think none of his family saw his dead body? Do you really think the morgue refrigerator laid empty for THREE months without anyone kowing??!? Michael has a large family. Michael Jackson has an abundant amount of friends. Do you people really think not a single one of them saw his dead body? The family surely spoke to the doctors that saw his dead body even if they didn’t. I hardly doubt that they just took someone’s word that he was dead without seeing for themselves. His family and friends loved him too much not to pay their last respects to him. You people are in denial. Michael has passed to the other side. He will forever live in our hearts, but he’s in a better place now. He never had peace growing up. He never had peace as an adult. He never even had peace as a father. He sure the hell isn’t getting any peace now! This is NOT what Michael Jackson would want. All these conspiracy theories. All these websites. How do you think this makes his children feel when they read this stuff? Discuss this stuff privately amongst yourselves if you want to think he’s hoaxed his death or been kidnapped. Do not do it on a website his poor children can see. Michael would not approve of this. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Your selfishness is not letting Michael’s soul rest. It’s time to wake up and get a grip on reality. People die. It is inevitable. Have some respect for his family and his young children.

     Paris, Michael, Blanket: Please accept my appology on these peoples behalves.

251. zippy Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:00 am

     Mo, why do you believe he is dead?

252. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:07 am

     Mo: just wanted to make your tiny brain aware that there are such things as subpoenas national and international and I can find out legally where you are posting from and then trace it to you! I keep records of all my postings and if Michael is not recovered and I am still alive when Michael’s kids we’ll be 18yrs of age they we’ll get copies of all the evidence I have gathered on Michael. If I will not be alive specific instructions are already written for the children of Michael to receive all my findings as soon as the oldest is 18 unless Michael is recovered alive. If Michael is recovered alive then the evidence we’ll be in safe keeping unless public records are requested, in which case all my public records research/evidence I will respectfully provide to the solicitor. All my research is backed up by real verifiable records, statements and scientific findings! Understand Mo: Get out of here if you are looking to make stupid ignorant statements that you have not got a single piece of evidence to make any statement about Michael or his children! I have so much work and research, all verifiable, to show Michael is alive and forced to cooperate with this ‘fake death’ crap I could cover you in paperwork-all real and verifiable showing the ugly truth you are trying to discredit!

253. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:12 am

     All I’ve got to say is.. wow. >;-)

     I like your post dmovie27. That makes more sense then an empty casket for three months.

     Zippy: Where did you see that video?

     Carmen, do you own this website by chance? I don’t believe your authority stands too straight around here /:-D

254. lisa_M_P Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:16 am

     Oh for the love of Jesus… people need to get off their high horse! opinions are like a**h*le* EVERYONE has one!!!!! Maybe if MJ was kidnapped as carmen says,the kidnapper is amongst the posters on this site. Maybe it is you Carmen, you seem to know EVERYTHING

255. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:16 am

     Zippy: you said you have evidence Jermain said ‘what’?! Sounds like the ‘Holly Grail’ I’ve been looking for?
     Can you please email it to my gmail! carmennea39@gmail.com!! Thanks!

256. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:27 am

     J. Jackson said Michael is in safe keepings now-as in he is in heaven.

     http://blogs.chron.com/celebritybuzz/2009/12/jermaine_jackson_feels_no_guil.html

257. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:29 am

     The holy grail? This doesn’t appear to be Indiana Jones.

258. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:32 am

     That is a stupid statement: if I were the kidnapper, I would only want to discredit evidence and discourage people from doing research and I would say don’t listen to Jackson attorney saying the EMT picture is fake, I would say don’t listen to the evidence proving itself lies, I would say let’s make a hoax! But I am the one screaming the evidence in everyone’s face! I am not the kidnappers; but weather Michael is rescued or not he needs to be declared alive to stay alive! You know, I sure am hoping to shake his hand one day and not need to find DNA for a Jhon Doe! That will take an effort from all us!!!

259. Newsette Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:42 am

     Hey everyone, I like keeping up with this… but it’s getting to be too much mail; not mention being too time consuming. I am going to change my settings not to get mail. I do want to hear how this ends, so I will come about once a week to catch up. My prayer is for justice and judgment to be sent into the earth. Let all wrong be exposed… and truth be revealed. Carman, may you get all that info you need to find the truth you seek… in Jesus name. God be with you… amen.

     As a Dream and vision interpreter specialist, I wish I could get a hold of Dr. Conway’s dreams… I would be able to see his past, present or future from his dreams. And no, I am not a psychic. I am a godly seer who sees deep things through the spirit realm of the Holy Spirit. If he doesn’t have anything to hide, he wouldn’t mind sharing his dreams with me. Right? Smiles… OK, so some of you don’t believe in this, I do. the least I could do is tell him what the Holy spirit could be saying to him. Smiles… I won’t come back to respond to this… but I will be back off and on to see where this is going. blessings, C-ya!

260. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:43 am

     “That will take an effort fron all us!!!” really? When anyone tries to help with research, or gives an opinion, you tell them they are stupid!!! What if someone came here with as much research efforts as you carmen? But it was research to prove another theory but had real factual evidence.. then what.. are they stupid, are they wrong? How can we work together when you REFUSE to see any other perspective!!

261. zippy Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:43 am

     Ok, I am the real zippy and someone is using my name to play games on here. I only posted 1 time and one time only asking this Mo, why do you believe he is dead? okkkkkkkayyyy,hmmmm.
     Don’t have time to play games on the article. Be an adult and stop playing games. Okay.
     Carmen, this is really strange.

262. mjfan Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:48 am

     Carmen , What do we need to do to get Michael back , I have read on other sites that He will some back before June 25 2010 , Do you beLIEve this TO BE possible ? or should we write it off as Bull sh**? TNAKS FOR YOU TIME .

263. zippy Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:48 am

     This is really getting weird! What on God’s earth is going on?!

264. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:50 am

     Greetings Zippy. I see two comments from you. #249 and then #251 which you said you posted. That is weird. I wonder why (or how i suppose) your name got posted before your original one? I do not have time for the games either. I can see why people have ran out of here.

265. zippy Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:59 am

     Ok, I noticed something. My apologies. I thought someone was using my name. Mo, my apologies to you no problem.

266. zippy Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:59 am

     Ok, I noticed something. My apologies. I thought someone was using my name. Sorry, guys!

267. zippy Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 2:03 am

     Mo, no problem. I apologize I was looking at something different. Not tryin to cause noone any problems. seriously.

268. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 2:26 am

     What we need to do, is consistently show the absurdity of their official explanations, the contamination and invalidity of the accepted answers used to persecute a cover up, and the expose the contradicting statements that prove itself to be lies!
     for example: evidence obtained at the house to show Michael was an addict was collected after the area was declared a crime scene, 4 days after Thursday june 25th and after 5 moving vans, suvs and numerous people from the family the bodyguard details and strangers had access to the crime scene with no law enforcement present because the police waited 4 days to declare the area a crime scene!
     Dr. C . Murray is trying to say it tool him 1h to find anyone in the house to ask for the address; but he ran into the chef and didn’t ask he for the address and he could have walked to the front gate in 90sec. and called 911 and family reported that Murray called Prince upstairs to show him his dead father??!! Nobody, weather criminal or stupid or both would call upstairs a 12yrs old boy of a dead father to show him his father is dead! But a terrified alive father might call upstairs his oldest son, the only one that wouldn’t panic, to say a last min.’ take care of your siblings, you are in charge or I love you, or don’t worry I’ll work this out’! No killer weather intentional or not intentional unless insanely perverted would call a kid upstairs to show him the just dead father!!!
     where is the missing tape from the security camera and why are there missing portions of the main frame security recorder?!?! And the rest of the HUNDREDS of slip ups and dum irrational statements: like Nurse Lee : saying Michael Jackson ‘begged’ her for probafol!!! Michael Jackson could have supplied a hospital, like he did in third world countries all over the world, with the most expensive life saving medicines and transplants but he had just gotten of his private international jet and called Nurse Lee, a nutritional nurse recommended to him by the bodyguards hired by Thomei, to ‘beg’ he for probafol!!!
     Why was the fire alarm pulled at the hospital and personal evacuated when Michael was in ER, in spite of no fire being found anywhere?! Hey: IT TAKES A LOT FOR AN ATTORNEY TO PUT HIS REPUTATION AND WORD ON THE LINE BY SAYING THE EMT PICTURE WAS FAKE! BRIAM OXMAN PUT HIS WORD ON THE LINE AND OFFICIALLY SAID THE PICTURE IS FAKE AND MICHAEL DOESN’T LOOK LIKE THAT SINCE THE 80s!! ATTORNEYS DON’T ASK QUESTIONS OR MAKE STATEMENTS LIKE THAT UNLESS THEY KNOW FOR SURE!!! BRIAN OXMAN PUT HIS PERFECT CARRER/REPUTATION ON THE LINE BY MAKING THAT STATEMENT!!

269. Azt Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 2:43 am

     Please everyone everybody’s mission should be one thing that is investigating and trying to find the higher truth this should not be a hate forum as an adult everybody should be able to discuss or give their openion with out attacking one another this is about michael it should not be an emotional out let. one thing I really ADMIRE CARMEN is she is in to it and with it period! working extremely hard with her passion to find the higher truth and justice she does not come and go please GIVE HER CREDIT and Peace:)…

270. toolsgrll Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 2:50 am

     And everything that you just mentioned is YOUR theory with the research YOU have done. I have no doubt you want to get to the bottom of this. You don’t think that POSSIBLY other people have done just as much research as you but disagree with YOUR theory and have come up with their own? But to YOU they are wrong and stupid. Tell me how that is helping the truth?

271. toolsgrll Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 3:05 am

     Azt… it would have been so much easier to give her credit had she been willing to give other people credit for their hard work as well. Respect goes both ways!

272. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 3:20 am

     You CANNOT COME UP WITH DIFFERENT REASERCH THEN THE TAPE RECORDED, STATE RECORDED, TESTAMONIAL EVIDENCE IN THE SAME CASE !!! I AM NOT USING MY WORDS TO EXPLAIN THE LIES; I AM SHOWING THEIR LIES ON RECORD TO SHOW THE OBVIOUS TRUTH!!! THERE ARE CNN/FOX/CNBC TAPES OF TRUCKS GOING IN AND SUVs AND JANET AND THE MOTHER AND THE BODY GUARDS AND EVERYBODY GOING INTO THE HOUSE WITH DOZENS OF HELPERS 3DAYS BEFORE THE AREA IS DECLARED A CRIME SCENE AND 3 TO 4 DOZEN NEWS STATIONS FILMING THEM AND REPORTRES SHOCKED THIS PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO GO IN THE RENTED HOME BEFORE THE AREA WAS DECLARED A CRIME SCENE!!! INCONPETENT QUESTION TO SUGGEST THAT THERE CAN BE DIFFERENT RESEARCH THEN THE DOZENS OF NEWS STATIONS RECORDING THESE PEOPLE CONTAMINATING WHAT ONLY BECAME A CRIME SCENE ON SUNDAY! I am using only their stupid answers and then allowing those answers to point to the obvious truth!! YOU CANNOT GIVE ME DIIFERENT REASERCH UNLESS YOU HAVE THE MIISING VIDEO TAPE SHOWING WHATEVER IT IS THEY DIDN’T WANT US TO SEE ON THE TAPE AND WHAT EVER THEY DELETED OF THE MAINFRAME!!! YOU CANNOT TELL ME THAT MICHAEL SET - UP HIS OWN KIDS TO BE HEARTBROKEN BECAUSE HE WANTED TO GO IN VOCATION! YOU CANNOT TELL ME THAT MICHAEL DIDN’T WANT TO DO THE SHOWS WHEN HE MADE AN EFFORT TO BE A PART OF EVERY TINY DETAIL IN THOSE SHOWS AT ‘02 ARENA, FROM LIGHTING TO DANCERS HE EVEN SUPERVISED THE FIREWORKS! THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF SELF EXPLANITORY LIES STATEMENTS AND RECORDS, OFFICIAL and PUBLIC THAT SHOW MICHAEL IS NOT DEAD!!! NOT TO MENTION THE TAPES MADE BY MICHAEL IN FEAR OF THOMEI, IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENED TO HIM!! YOU CANNOT UNDUE THIS HUGE Fa**UPS EXCEPT WITH MICHAEL SHOWING UP ALIVE OR BEING PROVEN GUILTY OF A POSSIBLE DOUBLE HOMOCIDE!! TAKE YOUR PICK!! THE STATEMENTS/EXPLANATIONS ARE THE SAME!!! I GOT WORK TO DO ‘MO’: ONCE YOU ARE ON RECORD, SAYING SOMETHING, UNLESS IT’S THE TRUTH, YOU WILL ALWAYS BE BUSTED!!! THAT’S WHY NO COVER UP WILL EVER WORK; BECAUSE EVERYBODY ALREADY LIED AND WENT ON RECORD AND EVERYBODY IS ON RECORD! IF THE HOSPITAL WOULD
     HAVE SAID HE JUST HAD A HEART ATTACK, NOBODY SAY A WORD, bury ‘the body’ in a week evidence would be much more difficult to research but still not impossible! THE CIRCUS THAT HAPPENED FROM THE HOUSE AND STILL GOES ON HAS EXPOSED EVERYTHING you,Mo and the rest of the people involved on june 25th are trying to cover up! So, hope and pray, that when Michael comes back, for the love of Michael, the world will choose to look the other way!!
     NO I HAVE WORK TO DO SO ANYONE WILLING TO HELP MICHAEL DO WHAT I SUGGESTED PLEASE!!Mo -you really are ‘Curly’ soalmate ‘; for real!!!

273. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 3:26 am

     Larry Month and Curly : Tohmei, the bodyguards, and Dr. C. Murray! You figure out which is which!!!

274. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 3:32 am

     Larry Month and Curly : Tohmei, the bodyguards, and Dr. C. Murray! You figure out which is which!!!there was even Japanese media and fans filming those trucks going in to the rented house and all the traffic in and out of the house before the area was declared a crime scene !!! AND THAT IS ONE OF THE LEAST INCRIMINATING FACTS/STATEMENTS/ETC..on record!!!

275. judith smith Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 3:34 am

     I have an opinion here and please don’t shoot me down for it this is what i think happened i think murray was hired by some bad individuals to do a job and i think he turned state’s evidence and i think michael is in safe keeping and they are piecing this all together to bring these guy’s down michael is not a fool he’s been known for bringing people down I think him and murray are in FBI protection and i think this is getting ready to come to a head and i think this is why we are getting slip ups i think they are trying to prepare us for this so it’s not a big shock michael had an interview with geraldo when he was 46 years old and that’s when he was going through his child malestation charges and he said he was working on something big then so he’s had a good 4 years to mastermind all this. Now i could be wrong but, it’s just with my research is what i have come up with yes i could be wrong but, i have been watching, reading and listening to everything since june 25th and everything just does not add up. But, again that is just my opinion. Thank You everyone and please no negativity.

276. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 3:57 am

     OK!!!! SO SINCE CARMEN YOU DECIDED TO SCREAM!!!!!! AT ME DURING YOUR STUPID TANGENT ONCE AGAIN… CALLING ME STUPID,,, HERE WE GO, YOU ARE GETTING THE EXACT SAME RESPECT THAT I JUST GOT!!! SO, DID I EVER TELL YOU , OR ANYONE THAT YOU HAVE RIDICULED TELL YOU THAT YOUR RESEARCH WAS WRONG?????? NO WE HAVE NOT, I HAVE REVIEWED ALL FORMER COMMENTS! ALL I SAID SMART ONE IS THAT WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE “SAME” EVIDENCE AND HAVE DRAWN OUR OWN CONCLUSION/THEORY. NOBODY HAS SAID YOU HAVEN’T RESEARCHED. MAYBE YOU SMART ONE ARE THE STUPID ONE. MAYBE YOU SMART ONE ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO GET YOUR INFO STRAIGHT! AND YOU SMART ONE…. YOURSELF SAID THAT PARIS WAS ANGRILY CRYING BECAUSE SHE SAW A DEAD BODY IN A CASKET THAT WAS NOT HER FATHER!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? YOU DON’T THINK THAT ONE OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS WOULD SCREAM THAT HE HAD BEEN KIDNAPPED AND THAT IT WASN’T MICHAEL. OH THATS RIGHT I FORGOT YOU ARE THE SMART ONE, THE SMARTEST ONE OF THEM ALL, IN ALL THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD! AND THE ONLY PERSON WITH ANY INTELLECTUAL KNOWLEDGE. YOU DEAR SMART ONE ARE PROBALY THE STUPIDEST MORON ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET. I WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU CREDIT FOR YOUR RESEARCH, BUT YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS THE SAME RESEARCH OVER AND OVER AGAIN! AT LEAST OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SHOWN THEIR EVIDENCE ON OTHER SITES AS WELL AS THIS ONE. YOU ARE THE WORST PERSON TO BE ON MICHAELS SIDE IF HE WAS KIDNAPPED. I DON’T THINK ONCE MICHAEL DOES COME BACK HE WOULD EVER SHAKE THE HAND OF THE LIKES OF YOU. YOU ARE AN EVIL PERSON WITH WHICH MICHAEL SPENT HIS WHOLE LIFE TRYING TO AVOID! YOU SHOULD CRAWL BACK UNDER THE STUPID ROCK YOU CAME FROM. ALL YOUR INFO IS NOT ALL YOUR INFO. I HAVE BEEN ON HUNDREDS OF OTHER SITES THAT HAVE THE EXACT SAME EVIDENCE AS YOU.. ONLY DIFFERENCE IS, THEY ARE SMART ENOUGH TO BACK UP THEIR RESEARCH, YOU MY DEAR SMART ONE ARE NOT! I WILL NEVER GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR ANYTHING BECAUSE ALL YOU DO IS SHOUT THE SAME SH*T POST AFTER POST AND CALL PEOPLE STUPID! GET OVER YOURSELF AND GET A LIFE.
     AZT TO YOU,,, YOU SAY NO HATRED SHOULD BE ON THE POSTS,, GUESS WHAT, YOU THREW STONES WHILE LIVING IN A GLASS HOUSE YOU KISS CARMENS A** ALL THE TIME WHILE TRYING TO KEEP THE PEACE??? REMEMBER SHE IS THE ONE THAT ATTACKS PEOPLE FIRST AND YOU RIDE ON HER COAT TAIL! MAYBE ONE DAY YALL CAN MEET UP WHEN MICHAEL COMES BACK SO HE CAN SPIT IN YOUR FACE.
     and to you mo… if you were looking for credible info, you shouldn’t come here anyways, but just so you know, he is alive no matter what you think. too much evidence is there, too many signs. good luck thinking he is dead when you will be proved wrong as well.

277. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 4:09 am

     there you go Judith, you have done research and drawn your own conclusions. It is a smart theory i might add

278. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 4:19 am

     No problem zippy You have not caused me any problems. You seem to be quite delightful and domesticated, unlike some ;)

     I hope you have a good day

279. Azt Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 4:27 am

     I am not attacking anybody’s openion but I do not own the site but I don’t understand people who declared michael dead and come to a forum like this and try to be heared it is easy to say he is dead and case closed but because of lack of evidence and incosistencys that is why there is ongoing investigation here I saw some autopsy results which made me exteremley depressed the other day the autopsy says homcide and Murray is being charged with manslaughter again MO u are entitled for your openion I have people who belive Michael has passed and it is their believe they don’t want to follow the case investgate nothing nothing so they don’t waste their time and come in a forum like this where 98% of the openion is the opposit of you again this is with respect I am not attacking u but looking at everything it is painfull to just let it go like this I know I would not let this go I would fight till the end:)…

280. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 4:28 am

     toolsgrl I am unsure what to believe at this given moment. I do not think that Mike was kidnapped hijacked abducted seized or anything of the like. I can not remember who posted several links but it sure has grabbed my attention. I understand your hostility. I do not want to be involved in the grade school name calling however. by chance do you knw who posted the links and are there more? I did not know about davedave until i saw that. The comic book thing is interesting. Plz don’t be hostile towards me toolsgirl I’m not trying to fight. Thank you and have a good thursday.

281. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 4:34 am

     greetings azt - maybe because i think for my self and i am not scared or ashamed of my personal opinions. i do enjoy puppets, but i am not one. i can think on my own and draw opinions with out feeling pressured by others. i am fearless and 98 percent of nothin scares me. where i am from it is called having balls ;) i can tell you i have opinions as the other “98%” of people here. everything in life works both ways. i hope you also have a good thrsday azt.

282. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 4:35 am

     Mo, i understand that you are searching, just like everyone else. The comments are way above from marine_wife. she had a lot to say and her links will take you to even more interesting info. Alot of it is the same as the info carmen has shared but with info to back it up. She is one of the people who have gotten ridiculed for not believing the same as carmen. I hope that maybe just maybe you can look at all the evidence and even if you don’t truly believe that he is alive, maybe it will make you question a few thingsGood luck in your search

283. judith smith Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 4:35 am

     Toolgrl, Thank You for reconizing like i said it’s just a theory and everyone has one and i’m not trying to push it off on anyone by no mean’s just voicing mu opinion. So again thank you.

284. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 4:37 am

     no problem Judith, you have made me wonder a few things myself… something i never considered before

285. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 4:40 am

     Greetings again toolsgirl and thank you. I will look thru everything this weekend. Thank you again

286. Azt Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 4:51 am

     Again none of us own this forum everybody wants Michael to be alive and well right?so the anger name calling emotion so and so on shows the person’s quality I will never respond to anybody’s disrespectful word learn diplomacy this is not me or you this is about Michael:)…

287. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 5:29 am

     Azt Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:09 am
     Hey this is to Marnie wife can you please stop cursing and calling names I know everybody is entitled for their opinion this is not an emotional outlet I mean you seem to be a very angry person can you be a bit diplomatic:)

     Azt Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:56 am
     What counts is working hard on the investigation the gathering infos and trying to find the truth that is what carmen is doing. I am posting using my iPhone it is possible to have a spell error sometimes you are in to petty things in life go out do your real investigation and try to gather some infos if you even can do that please do not curse here and loose more respect

     Azt Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:15 am
     By the way carmen is a very intiligent person:)…

     Azt Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:30 am
     Marine-wife carmen is gathering Infos and working very hard on this matter from what I see and it takes time to find the real truth have you done any investigation? to me you seem to be an extremely emotional person please don’t do any more cursing here it is ugly:)…

     Azt Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 4:40 am
     Marine wife I don’t know what is bothering you in life you have anger in you this is not a place for it and if I were you I would be a bit cautious cause words are very powerful:)…

     Azt Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 5:09 am
     As I said words are powerful that’s why lawyers use your words against you in CT:)…

     carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 3:20 am

     !!! NOT TO MENTION THE TAPES MADE BY MICHAEL IN FEAR OF THOMEI, IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENED TO HIM!! YOU CANNOT UNDUE THIS HUGE Fa**UPS

     carmen Says:
     February 20th, 2010 at 1:55 am

     With the statement you just made marine_wife, an outright plane purposeful lie, you just made yourself a suspect to be investigated as having a connection to the people that are paying to create this illusion!!!

     carmen Says:
     January 31st, 2010 at 11:23 am
     You know, this whole attempt to convince the public that Michael is fine, and not in any real danger, is about as dum and transparently ridiculous as the instance in the beginning of Iraq war when the Iraq army were firing their guided missles without any guidence equipment!

     carmen Says:
     February 11th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
     Newsette: most people choose to be ignorant BUT YOU ARE JUST PLAIN STUPID!!!!

     and i could take the time to post more for you AZT but i don’t feel like it… you were quick to jump in on a conversation that wasn’t yours and tell other people to watch their mouths,, when r you gonna tell carmen its not ok to call people stupid and say F*!!! blah blah blah.. keep kissing her a**… see where it gets you in this life

288. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 5:38 am

     Here’s another odd statement Nurse Lee makes to Dr. C. Murray which brings into question Dr. C.Murray’s truthfulness: she says, after his ‘confession’, ‘the truth will set you free’ on cameras to Dr. C. Murray! Dr. C. Murray just a made statements that he gave a drug addict enough drugs to kill an ELEPHANT at the ZOO, not just a 110p - 136p man (since nobody can agree how emaciated skinny/too skinny for CPR was Michael) How can giving all those drugs, injecting into an addict those drugs, set him free!!! If the truth can set Dr. C. Murray free, then the only truth that can set him free is that Michael was not injected with all the drugs Dr. C. Murray says he injected Michael! Otherwise, providing dangerous drugs, without any reviving equipment, to an addict is even more illegal then providing drugs to a non addict without any reviving equipment! ‘The truth can set you free’ so Nurse Lee says on tape! It must be a truth that doesn’t have Dr. C. Murray injecting Michael in the neck vain with enough
     drugs to kill a wild large forest animal, like a lion!!!! Don’t forget, Murray was reported and rumored by dozens of news stations and magazines to have asked for $1mil a month which was bluntly denied by Michael’s sponsors! Because of Murray’s statements, a charge of ‘involuntary manslaughter’ based on evidence obtained at the house after the house was declared a crime scene, 3days later after the fleet of trucks and people left the rented home, the most jail time Murray can get is 4years!!! That’s nothing!! Dr. C. Murray, was rumored before the charges to be looking for a reality TV show based on Michael’s events; rumors that quickly died when he got charged! If C. Murray tries to right a book in the 4 years in prison, think of how many millions of dollars that could bring him?!?! A lot more then 100K a month for 10month he would get if he were working for the 02 concerts!!! Dr. C. Murray has malpractice judgments in 2 states against him and was facing bankruptcy when he was brought in by the Thomei hired
     body guards to care for the children. He is a cardiologist with an expired license in CA not a pediatrician and Michael has no cardiac problems on his medical record!!! That’s reality, not hoax?!

289. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 5:45 am

     just for fun, here are a few more:

     carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:07 am
     Mo: just wanted to make your tiny brain aware that there are such things as subpoenas national and international and I can find out legally where you are posting from and then trace it to you

     Mo didn’t even threaten carmen?? Just her opinion!

     carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:32 am
     That is a stupid statement:

     See AZT, it doesn’t matter who it is, or what they say, if they don’t agree with Carmen, they get told they are stupid! Would you like being called stupid all the time???? Is she wrong for calling people stupid? You only take up for Carmen?

290. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 5:46 am

     It is good to see that I am not the only person that has been jumped. I want to belive the theory that Mike is alive and well, but with all this hypocriticism on this web page it sure has not given a reason to convince me. Ppl with such hypocriticism and they want us clueless ppl to trust what they are saying to us. Why would myself or any one else believe the words from ppl that have done nothing but be hypocrites? I want to learn more but I think I need to find a more creditable site to do so. I hope to find a site with less estrogen and more facts. Thngs locked a “lok box” is not showing us ppl that have ben fooled by this sherade that is supposdly happening. How is a lock box supposed to show us ppl that have been lied to? You guys and many gals on here want to educate us ignorant ppl of foul play but all the publick information is locked up. why do you lock up public facts? If everything is public information that can be found in field work and research why bother keepin under lock and key? There is alot of going inbetweens here. azt was harsh to me but i noticed later that s/he even said “michael really didn’t dye that day”? obviously azt was just as ignorant as i but i get poked fun at and have nasty remarks throwed at me? why? you are supposed to be educating people not po9king fun at them. azt you were once ignorant like i. i think you should get off this site as well since 98% of the readers believe differently. Hypocrites are running htis page. U ran off some good people with good points and its a shame i think. I think some of these ppl could have beneficial to ppl that is as stupid as me :(

291. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 5:50 am

     Greeting toolsgirl. I am not a she ;) I forgive you. Plz don’t jump me.

292. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 5:53 am

     sorry Mo… i was throwing so many she’s! i hope you do find more facts to help. there are many amazing youtube video’s out there and informational sites. and ps… i will never yell at you just for having an opinion. I only bark at people that bark first

293. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 6:01 am

     Ok thank you very much. Have a nice nite.

     toolsgirl. Do you think i should change my “addy” because someone said i was curly’s soulmate. I’m not a stooge.
     maybe I should change it to something more masculine?
     I didnt even say anything about anyone elses name. ppl on here are really bitter and mean :( My information is stored everytime i come on here. Can I change it? Do you knw?

294. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 6:06 am

     I’m not sure if you can, but if I were you I would ignore nastiness. Making fun of someones name is stupid and petty. I would however recommend if you want to do research on michael being alive, not to use this forum. No proof of anything and you get yelled at for opinions. I have been sticking around hoping someone would show up with new info, but everyone gets chased out of here. so, just look elsewhere for credible info!

295. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 6:19 am

     and some more for you AZT

     carmen Says:
     February 9th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
     2nd: to JMAC: DO NOT TALK WHEN YOU DO NOT HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

     again, someone was just voicing their opinion!!!!

     and here she is being mean to you AZT…

     •Azt Says:
     February 10th, 2010 at 6:55 am
     My head is sppining around I wander if the family know that AEG is behind all these? Hey carmen any answer?

     •carmen Says:
     February 10th, 2010 at 7:20 am
     Oh, you again! To Azt

     really??? when is her words not okay AZT? when Michael comes back and says he was behind it the whole time? Some things to think about! Maybe just maybe, she is a mean person who is not the only person that is right maybe?

296. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 6:25 am

     I have to educate you people in two definition that you thing are insulting and the scientific appropriate time to use those time of descriptions:
     IGNORANT: is a description of a person that ignores the truth and makes statements on the truth which shows the person is IGNORING(verb) the truth!
     For example: taking a fact such as the rented home was not declared a crime scene for 4days and the crime scene was contaminated by a fleet of trucks and people for those 4 days before it was declared a crime scene and evidence! Taking that statement and saying what if there is other research to show that is not true, is an example if ignorance!! Because the trucks were real, the people were real, it’s all on everybody’s tapes, the scene was declared a crime scene 4 days later etc.etc.. Ignoring those facts in an example of an ignorant person!! That is one of the hundreds of example were real questions have been answered with absurdities and contradictions!

     Stupid: is not an insult, and not a personal attack, when someone says to somebody else a statement such as ‘I see you have done a lot of research in this’ but the person has done no real research other then couple of immediate internet searches and offers no evidence and offers nothing other then let’s go make a hoax, because maybe the evil witch flew in and got Michael!!! That is called drawing conclusions on a lack of knowledge and information, also described as stupid!!

     On more thing: do not email me 16 times, I AM NOT YOUR WIFE! You can email or write on long relevant message, just not a self rightness absurdities!!

     DO NOT HAVE THE COURAGE TO THREATEN AZT with ridiculous statements like ’see were that gets you because you cannot even imagine the legal wrong in those statements and how those statements can be used against you in the court of law!!! I CAN !!!

297. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 6:40 am

     but can you get in trouble carmen for claiming people that post here are responsible for mike’s disappearance? isn’t that deformation of character or slander? i think the young lady that you publicly humilliated and accused of kidnapping mr. jackson should sue you for defamation of character. be careful what you wish for ms carmyn. you have dished out many threats that ive read today. i would pick and choose your words just a tad bit better .. what you are doing is threatening also. hypocriticsm. tssk tssk tssk

298. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 6:41 am

     carmyn you are very angry and bitter. did someone go peepee in your wheaties lately :(

299. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 6:43 am

     There you go again Carmen… blah blah blah… same same same! Your words don’t scare me or impress me. Good luck with your “research/OPINION” I have no desire to threaten anyone, BUT I also will not back down from anyone. I just refuse to deal with ignorance and rudeness to myself and others. You always say the same things. It doesn’t make you look better. It doesn’t make you tougher! and it definitely doesn’t make you look smarter.

300. angel Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 6:46 am

     Don;t be so naive regardin Oxman-he is media whore,well known fact by majority of MJ fans-and this story with fake picture-I can tell along story of it origine,so don;t believ this foul .These pictures were created by”hoax-believers”long ago,to proove their theory.I saw them since August(I mean the ones with comapsion of 1985 and 2009 phtos and then with blurred face and with MSG photo-absolutly wrong angle and postion of face,absolutly diffrent.So even if photos from abulance are made up by the greedy paparazzi,these photos Bian Oxman took from hoax sites-are ridiculous.So now use them as proof that ambulance photo is fake-is very unprofessional and ridiculous from Oxman,well he is always like this,just few minutes when after Michael was taken to hospital,he was quick to scream-”drug abuse,morphine,demerol!”-such “family freinds” as he ,will only help Murrey walk free,because they are the origine of this ugly rumours of drug addicted Michael,which were prooved wrong by official autopsy report

301. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 6:47 am

     i hate it when people go peepee in my wheaties :(

     the only threat i have read is from carmyn. haha she even said she was going to hunt me down because i said i believed the news media of mike being dead. hunting me down is a threat. haha heehee

     tssk tssk tssk

     someone pour this young lady a new bowl of cereal please. my gracious me o my.

     and we are supposed to trust and belive in a young lady such as her? waaahhahahaaahha hahaha

     right.

302. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 7:00 am

     thats right MO.. she did accuse someone of having MJ.. wow!!! Maybe she should sue! What do you think Carmen? You know the law so well… accusing someone in a public forum with no proof? Sounds like slander to me. And as educated as you are Carmen, you know as a person that when you call someone stupid or ignorant, you mean it as an insult. You should also be “smart” enough to know that when I was speaking To AZT… not you… I was telling her to see how far in life she would get by being ignorant! That smart one was not a threat. i don’t “threaten” people through use of the internet. You do.. remember!

303. zippy Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 7:11 am

     Carmen,

     Goodevening, did you get my email earlier this afternoon?

304. Azt Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 7:34 am

     She said he said does not help Michael right? The reason I was upset with Marnie-wife is she used the ‘F’ word there is no need for that YES I admire carmen’s quality in life I go for these knid of people in general show me the real proof let’s get the fact not here say yes u can bring 1000 you tube I am not saying they don’t give clues and the don’t add up stories about Michael and then what? You see someone like carmen is into digging dipper and dipper until finding the truth and not afraid to stand in the face of bad guys that is called a brave unless someone is against Michael in this forum belive me I have nothing against anybody!!!

305. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 7:35 am

     File a law suit against me: go ahead, I will use the opportunity to make sure that all of my findings get exposed on every national and international news station! I will not even sell my story, I will give for free! I will go on every national and international news station from here to Japan to UK to Russia, to China, I will even go to South Africa and South Korea and publish my findings if you give me the privilege of a slander law suit!! And then, I will file a law suit against you for my court costs!! Please give that attention !!!! I am begging you!!!!
     By the way: Michael’s statements on tape naming Tohmei the only person he fears to death, are court admissible and Tohmei being in charge of a team at the hospital who’s actions constantly expose lies, is not in question, and all my other research on which I am presenting the most obvious lies ans inconsistencies are based on actual public verifiable knowledge, and the only real person recorded to be a threat to Michael’s life, Tohmei, named as a possible suspect! I don’t know if you are aware of the repercussions of filing a frivolous law suit ; BUT it always ends up with the IGNORANT petitioner flipping the bill!!! I think filing a law suit against me is the best idea!!!
     I am done educating stupid ignorant people! I need to do work for Michael!!!!

306. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 7:43 am

     the thing here AZT… she just keeps on and keeps on talking to people the way she wants. My only thing was that everyone should have an opinion without being slammed. that is what a forum is for. Question for you AZT… is it ok for carmen to call people stupid or ignorant for no reason? Please answer me that? You were quick to say something to other people and I am asking you… is Carmen right for calling people stupid and ignorant? You said you aren’t judging anyone for their opinion.

     this is for you CARMEN: BLAH BLAH BLAH… SAME SAME SAME…

307. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 7:45 am

     So, I get this phone call from a friend who originally directed me to this site some time ago; to tell me to check out the latest. Against my better judgment, I did. Unfortunately. This is still the original circus that I entered from the get-go.

     I see that Carmen has stepped up her posts by add the mother of all swear words (F**k) to her posts. Man. Is it me or……… did I get torn apart like a piece of raw meat for MY language? So I’ve come to the understanding that we are now allowed to say F*uck. Well, that’s good, because I frequent that word when I’m p!ssed. So, understanding #1 - because Carmen is now using the mother of all swear words (also known as f**k) that it is ok. Understanding #2 - people are still ignorant, stupid, uneducated, dumb, silly, ridiculous, and ignorant, and ignorant, and even more ignorant, and ignorant again. Understanding #3 - it is ok for Carmen to threaten people with intent to track them down. Understanding #4 - I PERSONALLY WAS THREATENED IN HERE MORE THAN ONCE. You are right moe, I was accused of being PAID to keep Michael Joseph Jackson hidden. I am being paid by the “bad guys”. And you are right Moe, that is defamation of character AKA SLANDER. To ACCUSE SOMEONE OF A FEDERAL CRIME IN WHICH THERE COULD BE IMPRISONMENT without facts or evidence is a crime in itself. The ONLY thing I said was MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT MICHAEL AND HIS FAMILY ORCHESTRATED THIS DEATH HOAX. That IS NOT A REASON TO PUBLICLY ACCUSE SOMEONE OF KIDNAPPING. Yes Moe and yes ToolGrl it is within in MY RIGTH to sue. I NEVER threatened a single soul on this dumb ass website that originates out of THAILAND FOR INDIANS. Not once did I ever even say that anyone’s evidence is WRONG. So let me tell you something Carmen Lange, if you want to accuse innocent people of federal crimes and threaten people by ‘TRACKING THEM DOWN’ then you better be able to be able to walk the walk. Because what you did was “libel slander” which is a form of defamation of character. For you pea brained self Carmen Lange let me copy and paste the definition for you:
     The term defamation of character is often used to describe accusations of slander, libel or both. Slander involves verbal derogatory statements, while libel involves written ones. In a court of law, the plaintiff pursuing the lawsuit would charge defamation of character to cover any form of false or damaging allegations.

     You accused me of a false allegation (being paid by bad people to kidnap Michael Joseph Jackson). You accused me of a damaging allegation - in which you did publicly. And I’m so very glad you Carmen Lange has admitted that tracking someone down on a site such as this, is very easy to do.

     Here is my one and only threat to you Carmen Lange: You HAD BETTER take YOUR THREATS to me to the bank (maybe the one in which you have a safe deposit box). Yes, that is a threat. I’d love for you to take me to court for not a single threat. You my dear have been accuse of “LIBEL”. Let me copy and paste that for your simple minded pea brained self:

     Libel is a published or fixed form of defamation of character; a civil wrong that falsely impugns the reputation or character of a person or entity, opening the target up to public scorn or ridicule. Libel might appear in a magazine, book, newspaper, or in a radio or television broadcast. Signs, billboards or posters can also be mediums for libel. Online libel, or cyberlibel takes electronic forms such as email, mailing lists, newsgroups, chat rooms, podcasts, vodcasts and Web pages. A false charge that is uttered but not published is considered slander.

     I’m here to tell you this is your last and official warning that you have broken the law with the statement you publicly made on a public newsgroup.

     Take it to the bank Carmen Lange. YOU are the ONLY law breaker on this website and I have every intention of having you punished to the fullest extent of the law.

308. Azt Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 7:48 am

     And hey toolsgirl u see carmen has a high demand from many site you can be the same way too!!!

309. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 7:50 am

     AZT.. You still didn’t answer my question.. Is it ok for Carmen to bash people and call them stupid and ignorant for having different opinions

310. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 7:56 am

     Hey, curly and Month, this is American, not Lebanon, not Dubai, not Morocco! If you don’t like th results of research and the direction the verified research points and the lies research exposes, you can’t tell me I am wrong and shut me up! Just like you cannot say the EMT picture is Michael dead when his own attorney says ‘that’s nothing what Michael looks like now, threat picture is 99.9% sure from the 80s of him on a stage, it 99.9% sure fake’ and then shows evidence it is fake? There is no jury or judge who will say that the evidence at that scene wasn’t contaminated! There is nobody who can say that Michael Jackson the guy with a private international jumbo jet could not get probafol and had to bag a nurse he never seen in his life before and has no access to any surgical facility because she is a nutritional nurse, beg her for probafol!! Honey you are not just ignorant you are on another world if you think you can sew me on those realities public statements and normal common sense questions!!! I would
     love it if you sew me for asking questions about obvious lies!!! It’s America, if you say something, I have every right to question you and if you say something absurd I have every right to call you a liar and show the public you are lying based on the lies!!! Don’t you just wish I were in Lebanon?! You could shut me up, have news for you, you wouldn’t shut me up there either ! Try me!

311. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:00 am

     Accusing someone of kidnapping is what you did. I’m not sueing you for questioning me. You said I helped kidnap Michael Jackson. It was your own words.

     Pea Brain…

312. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:01 am

     Here is true IGNORANCE. Trusting a stranger with something you don’t want posted.

     DO NOT PUBLISH THIS PERSONAL MESSAGE!
     Someone is doing this to Michael, and while it’s obvious easy to take a some safe educated guesses on who are the people that execute this ‘job’, the rest of the 2nd source of threat is who the main danger is and ‘it’ does not behave in a rational manner! The problem is that Michael falls between the cracks of protection of the law! Everybody can be cohersed into saying / doing anything, who can you trust, most people think of their own survival first! Man such as Michael declared dead cannot be protected ! As long as Michael is publicly declared alive, the powers and might of the law are given the leverage and safety to offer 100% protection! Remeber we are all human beings; nobody wears a cape! If he were kept in hiding, the people who are with him, are subject to enourmous risks and cohersions! The only thing that will give anyone the leverage and protection to protect Michael is public aknowledgment he is alive! Look, eventhose I got these pretty clearly, it is a web of dangerous turns! If you come across any info, even if it looks completely irrelevant, email to me please! It’s really important to try to combat any smear campaign against Michael. It’s important that you understand that the people who did this are not an intelligent respectable entity! Remember, as long as Michael is not aknowledged alive, then anyone and I DO MEAN ANYONE, can be coherced /tricked to say what ever is needed! One more thing, don’t anyone be dum enough to accuse the government; they are our heroes and we owe them everything and they would never do something this stupid! Thanks for all your efforts! clange71@yahoo.com
     DO NOT PUBLISH THIS PERSONAL MESSAGE!

313. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:03 am

     Libel.

314. mjfan Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:04 am

     OK I guess I was mislead by this board thinking it was a michael jackson death hoax site , this has turned into afew people fighting like a bunch of kids in the 1st grade. So we just forgot way we were here in the first place .. I guess I just found another site that is nothing a bunch of grown people tring to act like they are something (informers) that has all the truth on Michael missing .. well I guess I’ll move on down the internet road til I find someone that is serious about finding and telling the truth about Michael, I have been heart broken over Michael missing and I wont to find out what happen to him and get him back where he belongs. I miss you Michael . hold on we’re coming ..;)Ya’ll carry on with you fight no one is on here but y’all anymore ..

315. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:08 am

     Hey, curly and Mo, this is American, not Lebanon, not Dubai, not Morocco! If you don’t like th results of research and the direction the verified research points and the lies research exposes, you can’t tell me I am wrong and shut me up! Just like you cannot say the EMT picture is Michael dead when his own attorney says ‘that’s nothing what Michael looks like now, threat picture is 99.9% sure from the 80s of him on a stage, it 99.9% sure fake’ and then shows evidence it is fake? There is no jury or judge who will say that the evidence at that scene wasn’t contaminated! There is nobody who can say that Michael Jackson the guy with a private international jumbo jet could not get probafol and had to bag a nurse he never seen in his life before and has no access to any surgical facility because she is a nutritional nurse, beg her for probafol!! Honey you are not just ignorant you are on another world if you think you can sew me on those realities public statements and normal common sense questions!!! I would
     love it if you sew me for asking questions about obvious lies, imposible contradicting statements, claims a 7 year old wouldn’t believe!!! It’s America, if you say something, I have every right to question you and if you say something absurd I have every right to call you a liar and show the public you are lying based on the lies itself doing the explaining and I have every right to show the most likely direction reaserch point to crimes and lies!!! Don’t you just wish I were in Lebanon?! You could shut me up! Have news for you; you wouldn’t shut me up there either ! Try me!

316. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:09 am

     MJFAN…. run before Carmen tells you that you are ignorant too. This is not informational at all!!!

317. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:10 am

     I said “I believe MJ is still alive and has hoaxed his death”. I never said he wasn’t coming back LMAO! In return you said:

     marine_wife: I have noticed over the internet as well as in real events a strong financially backed effort to create the illusion that Michael is faking his own death and intends to disappear and never be found!

     ONE WORD FOR YOU CARMEN LANGE: LIBEL.

318. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:12 am

     Correction, this is what Lange said back to me:

     With the statement you just made marine_wife, an outright plane purposeful lie, you just made yourself a suspect to be investigated as having a connection to the people that are paying to create this illusion!!!

     Again, one word pea brain: Libel.

319. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:14 am

     To Carmens shadow azt:

     Carmen used the F word in one of her posts. So open your eyes.

     I see in my absense you are still calling me marnie wife LMAO

320. Azt Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:19 am

     Listen ok it is normal to have a strong opinion it is because she is working very very hard on the matter don’t take it personal. personally I am going through so much pain about this man I have never thoght a human being impact my life like this in my opinion fighting does not resolve WE CLAIM TO BE HIS FAN YET WE FIGHT I DON’T THINK HE WANTS THESE KIND OF FAN HIS MESSAGE WAS ALWAYS LOVE personally I am in to hunting Michael crucifiers!!!

321. Azt Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:22 am

     I am sorry marine-wife it is an iPhone error!!!

322. zippy Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:24 am

     C’mon ya’ll let’s not keep this going on. I believe we all should share our thoughts on it. Carmen you gave good points and many others have shared it is no need to continue this bickering back and forth like this. Noone should feel inadequate not to share. Maybe they didn’t research as much as another. Something does help better than nothing at all.

323. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:26 am

     azt - I also had a strong opinion and I too have done hours and hours and more hours of research, yet I was publicly attacked and belittled. Of course, there is not any justification on my behalf… right azt? So this is a one way street? Carmen Avenue perhaps? You are defending one person when in actuality everyone is doing the same exact thing.

     PS
     I have not kidnapped Michael Jackson. I do not know where Michael Jackson is at the moment. And publicly saying that I have been paid to kidnap Michael Jackson in a punishable crime.

     You must understand where I am coming from.

324. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:28 am

     I agree Zippy.. but try to post your opinion and see what happens with Carmen. Its too hard to share an opinion in here.

325. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:28 am

     I really like you zippy! By the way, welcome!! ((smiles))

     I will continue to post new information as I find it regardless of the ridicule I may get. I hope any information I post, you find informative.

326. Azt Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:32 am

     Hey marine-wife I am sorry it is an iPhone error!!!

327. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:35 am

     appology accepted azt.

328. zippy Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:40 am

     Thanks for the welcome. Marine, Actually I had seen most the videos you have posted. Check out Pianogames if you haven’t seen it already. He has it all the way to part 27. Pretty decent info. I really would like to really understand what is really going on.
     I asked a question earlier. My question was to Carmen of course in regards to Jermaine stating that MJ was in safekeepings. I felt maybe there was more to it than that besides that he is in heaven/eternity. Would like your views on that.

329. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:44 am

     If anyone is interested here is the link with Brian Oxman saying the ambulance picture is fake:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbGrrNyMpZY

     I’m sure most has already seen it, but I’m posting it just incase.

330. Azt Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:53 am

     Ok people when ever a Michael hater try to land in this forum that is when the attack begins until then peace!!!

331. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 9:10 am

     Hi Zippy! I have watched all of pianogames work. Have you watched jonell star tv? He (or she) has some very good videos also. Also, some well known sites dedicated to finding the truth that I have personally found to be informative:

     http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/

     http://www.mj-conspiracy.com/

     http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/

     Here is one of my favorite Jermaine interviews:
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eJmaQQ5rWE

     You asked my opinion on Jermaine’s comment about safe keeping. Here is where the political part of this discussion area will get messy. I gurantee you I will be name called and belittled. But, it’s ok… I’m getting used to it ((smiles))

     Obviously I feel that Michael Jackson had numerous reasons to hoax a death. Everything about this case has been a perfect movie set. I believe Michael had enough of being ran into the dirt, I think he had enough of the media, I think he had enough of bad people dictating his life, I believe Michael was in trouble and scared for his life. I also believe that the entire Jackson family is in on this hoax. There has been more slip-ups than I care to count! I think Jermaine said the safe keeping message to send a message of heaven (if you will) to those who believe Michael is dead. I think he also said that message to let people that believe that he is alive know that MJ is ok. A subliminal message so to speak.

     In Michael’s autobiography he mentions the song he did “Heartbreak Hotel”. He said “Heartbreak Hotel had revenge in it and I am fascinated by the concept of revenge” (page 172)

     He also mentions the song “Dreamer” and says “I look at things and try to imagine what is possible and then hope to surpass those boundaries” (page 151)

     Michael LOVES to act. People think he is simply a dancer, singer, and songwriter. Michael is also an actor. His first movie he did was a black version of The Wizard of Oz called The Wiz. He played the part of the scarecrow. This is where he found his love for dressing up and makeup. Michael and his family are born entertainers and actors.. actresses. It is not impossible for this family to carry out and act on a possible death hoax. Again, this is my personal opinion.

     I hope you understand my answer. I know it is quite lengthy. I try to keep my postings somewhat short. I personally don’t like extremely long posts.

332. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 9:11 am

     You are wrong azt. I NEVER was a Michael hater. I’m the last person that would be a Michael hater. Again, you’re wrong. Sorry. Better luck next time

333. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 9:12 am

     unless azt you are making a pact not to attack unless someone hates on MJ?? confused by your last comment..

334. Azt Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 9:37 am

     Belive me Marine-wife I am defending everybody who ever is defending Michael I am not taking this person or that persons side but by nature I hate direspect if we claim to be his fan I think we should unite to fight in his behalf the reason I support carmen is I saw her strength as a person belive me marine-wife eversince I met this man I was fighting for him u understand my suffering as a fan I mean during that child molestation I almost lost my self calling united nation calling santabarbara court writing ananmous letter for the judge judge rudney melvie writing fo his lawyers which I even got respons back one day saying ‘Michael sends his love and sincere appreciation for your loyality and support keep the faith’ what is it that I did not do God so to make the long story short I went through so much suffering about him so when I came to this site I saw carmen’s posting I sensed a very strong personality in her that can help me out of these depression again Michael has this ora around him u just can’t let go Michael is not God but you definately see God in him!!!

335. Azt Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 9:49 am

     Oh Marine-wife what I am trying to say is when u go on some site u find some michael haters who Still think he is guilty curse him blah blah that is what i meant as long as we are for michael not against michael the rest is a diference on an opinion that is what I am trying to say!!!

336. Azt Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 9:56 am

     Hey marine-wife oh my I never say u are a michael hater a complete missunderstanding I am reffering to real michael haters out there that is what I meant then there would be a real attack in this forum until then it is a diference in the opinion!!!

337. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 10:00 am

     Zippy: I need to check any evidence to tie in Jermain. I do not have any statements in my archive of Jermain saying what you said and other then his composure and two weeks late crocodile tears, I don’t have any indication showing that he might be or not be part or these or where he is in all these. I am sure everybody knows more then they are saying but I like to keep records of all of those statements! Would you please send me the interview, on magazine or link or whatever it is where you heard Jermain making that statement! I would like to hear the context that statement, evaluate his behavior etc. And archive it!!! Thank you, please use my gmail it can handle anything! I as for my opinion on that statement you say you sow, I need to see it myself and then I can give you an answer! Thank you!
     To Azt: Thank you for supporting Michael in his trial, I just trusted his lawyers, I should have done more! Michael acquittal inspired low makers to changed CA law and raise standards for law enforcement, essentially improving the standards of legal practice for all citizens of CA!
     The way his June 25th ‘death’ is handles is lowering the standard of law enforcement practices in CA !! It’s not just about Michael, it’s about citizens rights!! If these the bar for law enforcement is set so low against Michael Jackson, how about the average Joe?! Think about it?!

338. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 10:25 am

     Why in the world would Uri Geller tell 16 yr old pianogames that Michael is hiding in a pyramid behind Uri’s house in England??!?

339. Azt Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 11:49 am

     Hey carmen i’m Still working on my server I don’t know what is wrong will email u the minute I fix it!!!

340. Jeff Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 11:53 am

     Toolsgirl why do you love the he said she said story are you from remote?

341. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 11:54 am

     Sure. I’m actually stuck in traffic. So don’t worry about it! Look forward to sharing ideas!

342. Jeff Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

     This is for toolsgirl Toolsgirl why do you love the she said he said story so much are you from remote?

343. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

     Well ‘marine_wife’ : if you’ve got any assets such as a house or car in your name, I can file a law suit against you, get a judgment easily, and collect against your assets!!! BECAUSE: see that little clause at the bottom of my message? Get your glassed, get your husband, get your boyfriend, your girlfriend, your neighbour, your lawyer , your or any other idiot around to read it back to you!! I said ‘you may not publish these’ : what does that mean ?!?!?!
     I wouldn’t waste my time sewing you but I have excellent grounds and you were dum enough to actually post the statement in a private letter that clearly said that ‘YOU MAY NOT PUBLISH’ that private letter!! Now, I have already said most of what I wrote to you on that private message; but I always include that with letters of research, because these is all very sensitive information that can save or not save Michael’s life!!! Now we all know that you cannot be trusted to have Michael’s best interest at heart!!!
     This is not child’s play marine_wife, these is not entertaining hoax time! This is evidence research on a murder trial were the even the actual murder can be questioned!! This is me risking my life for a man who might still be alive and the truth! What is I would have send you some real sensitive information, the kind that for example could risk my life, or other people’s lives trying to rescue this man! Your blalblabalan GO TO HOAX TIME EVERYONE, and violation of the clear legal parameters of privacy could have gotten a lot of people in danger!
     I am just glad that you failed the test early on!!! You just did something you are legally bound not to do! At this time, like I said, I have more important things to do; but, if anyone supposedly gets hurt because of you putting that private email up!!! I will make sure, that investigator/person will be able to sew you for their injuries!!!!
     You really are DANGEROUSLY INCOMPETENT! DO NOT EMAIL ME AGAIN AND REMEBER, YOU WERE DUM ENOUGH TO EMAIL ME YOUR PHONE NUMBER! SO IF ANYONE GETS INJURED BECAUSE OF THAT STATEMENT WHICH CLEARLY TOLD YOU NOT TO PUBLISH ANYTHING IN THAT EMAIL, you are paying his/her medical bills etc.!!!! This is not child’s play !!! By the way, telling you not to email me also can be a violation of the law if you email me after this messages posts which can be used against you!!!!

344. Birdy Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

     Haah Ahhhaha hahhhha this is a fun site I enjoy it after work sometimes I fall of my chair laughing….

345. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

     Jeff… never have been interested in he said she said, just proving my point.

346. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

     Marine_wife… I have always thought he was still alive and always questioned all of the media trickery. I also believe that his family knows what we all do. You have some very interesting ideas and I thank you for posting your info. I love the video of Jermaine “this is it, this is definitely not it, this is not the final curtain no” when asked about the Jackson 5.

347. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

     lol @ carmen

348. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

     toolsgrl - when I need an uplifting moment, I listen to that video =D

     Birdy - I too laugh more times than not =D

349. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

     Does anyone have Joe Jackson’s phone number… since it was the fans that called him to tell him Michael was being taken to UCLA? Obviously he phone number is public.

350. toolsgrl Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

     Marine_wife: not sure if you have seen this link… and for everyone else if you are interested

     http://parabook.wordpress.com/2009/07/09/michael-jackson-death-hoax-evidence-mounts/

351. Mo Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 9:18 pm

     Carmyn you never answered me on how a casket goes empty for three months

352. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

     Well mo since you had to ask the most dangerous diplomatic question like a ‘blunt idiot’ -’blunt idiot’ being addressed an a scientific attribute to the monumental lack of stupidity(lack of knowledge) as to the diplomatic danger of the question you’ve asked, I have no choice, but to point out to you verifiable sources and dozens of consistent reports on recorded media as well as print media, all documented and source verified reports, which consistently reported that there was a body at the morgue which had a very different description then the Michael we all performing on June 23 :

     The body at the morgue was described as: emaciated skinny, about 110p at 5.95″, missing a nasal prosthesis and displaying a hole instead of a nose, no hair anywhere on the body(like a cancer patient), no evidence of lupus(which Michael had all his life), with bused chest, collapsed veins, and a needle mark on his throat! Dr. C. Murray claims that the reason he didn’t do CPR on a hard surface and did CPR on the bed and infant CPR and not adult CPR was because Michael’s body was to fragile to take adult CPR on a hard surface! By the way, even infant CPR is suppose to have the infant on a hard surface before the palm compressions!
     A claim which even those it seemed ridiculous to do infant CPR on adult male 5.95″, it seemed somewhat forgivable, if Michael were 105p or 110p like every single media source, consistently had information from verified sources at the hospital and morgue, th body was emaciated skinny, about 105p to 110p! Not a single media source reported the body to be anything over a 110p!! AEG promoter’s reaction was to IMMEDIATELY release a video of Michael rehearsing on June 23rd when you can clearly see Michael rehearsing very lean muscled and not out of breath, clearly at about 135p to 140p, with muscular shoulders, in perfect rhythm and executing his dance move with the perfection and ease that has made him the famous! His background dancers looked more out of breath then Michael! Later we found out that the June 23rd rehearsal footage released to the media was towards the end of a 4hour, full dress rehearsal of the entire concert in it entirety, and earlier that day Michael had about 2hours of meetings with
     producers, directors, I think even one of the presidents of the company was there! Michael did insist on being involved on every single part of the show! He wanted it all perfect and his way!!!(Not bad for a guy looking to go hide in the woods)

     Yet, the media reports, sources at the morgue and hospital stayed consistent on every national and international independently sources media outlet saying, the body at the morgue was a maximum of 110p, emaciated skinny, to skinny for adult CPR, why was he so skinny, with no hair anywhere and missing a nasal prosthesis - the nasal prosthesis missing was so common knowledge I work out of 3 different offices and I heard talk about it in all three different offices!!!

     Dr. Klein, about a week before the missing nasal prosthesis was news, went on Larry King, interrupts Larry King in the middle of a different subject, and says ‘I just want to make sure everyone nose and is clear about this, Michael has no nasal prosthesis! He has been my patient for almost 20 years! Over the past 6 month Michael has been coming to my office about 2 times a month receiving reconstructive injections of filler, and fillers can only be injected in natural nasal cartilage! Michael’s nose was very thin, and he wanted to make it thicker and more photogenic! He had been receiving those injections 2 times a month since January!!
     But I want to be clear about this Larry, Michael has no nasal prosthesis!!! Those injections are impossible on a nasal prosthesis!’ and then he goes on to say that he does not work with any prosthetics in his office and his area of expertise, personally is injectable fillers! But no matter what, an inject able filler always needs natural tissue and is not done on prosthetics!!! Note: if Michael was looking to fake his death why get injectable filler to improve his photogenic appearance)
     A about a week or less later every media source was reporting the shocking missing nasal prosthesis from the morgue and hospital!!! The missing nasal prosthesis detail stayed consistent and did not go away until, after the funeral in sept..weeks later after the funeral and more then 4month after the death when the delayed partial autopsy report was released and a while later the full autopsy report was released, making no mention of the nasal prosthesis, and noting the body 136p,(not to skinny for adult CPR on a hard surface like C. Murray’s said’, and among other things saying the body had no hair anywhere, a sharp contradiction to the shaving irritation you see on Michael’s face at the rehearsal pictures at the Staples Center, a shaving irritation which consistently stays the same throughout most of Michael’s picture in ‘09! I have archived about 4OO+ pictures of Michael from the 3years before June 25th, just for physical differences!

     Further, it was reported that EMT cruise found the house and especially Michael’s room to have clothes tossed everywhere, and be extremely HOT!! So hot it was unbearably hot, and the people who responded to the 911 call had to ask the heat to be turned down and windows to be opened!! Reporters speculated that Michael kept the home hot because he didn’t want to catch a cold, but it made no sense to the reporters since the weather in LA had not been that cold, and it was actually no need for heat! For a while I ignored that detail since I am not a medical specialist; but they always say, you want to find evidence go to the crime scene, there is always something there left behind!!!
     The heat being so high, just seemed odd, unnatural, so I was heaving coffee with a friend of mine, a doctor anesthesiologist, told her I had this odd information about a crime scene where the heat was described as really uncomfortable high, if that makes any sense to her!! She had no idea I was talking about the Michael Jackson files! She immediately chuckled and said, ‘don’t tell me you don’t know about this; if you have a patient that is weak of health, old age, skinny and you raise the heat really high, then the weak patient, especially when they are asleep, stands a high chance of experiencing irregular rapid breathing and choke on their breath and die!!! One of the most commonly missed murders, usually sighted as a heart attack, but caused raising the heat too high!!’ I mentioned to her that the victim was killed with probafol administered not in a hospital setting and without any reviving equipment! She really chuckled over that: ‘well duh, probafil required reviving equipment and oxygen from the moment
     it is administered and th heart is monitored every second, you cannot administer probafol without reviving equipment without loosing the patient; plus, if you raise the heat, since probafol does lower/ minimize breathing, any irregular breathing due to extreme heat will most likely cause the patient to choke on their breath and die, especially if there is no reviving equipment used!!’ Hm..I guess Michael wasn’t worried about his singing voice! I confirmed the effects of heat with a other medical specialists and they all agree, if you have a weak patient, on probafol, and you raise the heat, the patient will most likely experience a rapid irregular breath, choke and die!! Administering probafol with no reviving equipment and turning the heat up high is called premeditated murder, especially if Michael was as Dr. C. Murray described him -to skinny to adult CPR on a hard surface- a sharp contradiction to the video of Michael rehearsing on JUNE 23rd through an athletic 4hours full dress rehearsal and
     looking about 135p, lean muscled, big boned healthy man not even ot of breath and with perfect coordination and about as sober and straight as a stick, which is how everybody who worked with Michael since Jan. ‘09 described him or showed him on recorded tapes!
     EXCUSE ANY SPELLING ERRORS, I AM NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF KILLING PEOPLE, THEREFORE I AM PRESSED FOR TIME!!

353. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

     I can’t speak for anyone else, but Carmen’s post are entirely too long to actually read. At first I thought I was the only one that thought that… until I stumbled across some conversations about her on some very informative websites that mentions her “yelling” and too long to read posts.

354. carmen Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

     It would be physically impossible on a 136p man to administer infant CPR on the bed for an hour without collapsing but we don’t have to worry about Dr. C. Murray collapsing because he was reported to have been discovered by investigators to have been making 3 personal phone calls on his cell, non to 911, before it took him an hour to send the chef to get security from the gate, and find the address to call 911, 1 hour later after he reported the body not breathing! Also even that time of death is questionable because the body was noted by EMT as ’showing signs of lividity at 12:21pm’ a strong indication death had occurred more then an hour before that; a death which is also questionable now that finally, officially BRIAN OXMAN, confirmed the picture in the EMT of Michael is fake, like I suspected, and off course we still have no record of Dr. C. Murray ordering, handling any probafol other then his statements and since Nurse Lee, said Michael, the owner off his international private overseas jet,
     came and ‘begged’ her for probafol in March, which if you believe her it means Michael had no way of getting probafol in March, and there is no record of how those probafol bottles got to the crime scene today !! Hm..could those 5 moving trucks unloaded something before the area was declared a crime scene, I don’t know, only the people Michael feared to death on record,and his distant family and the team hired by the people Michael feared to death on record, and truck drivers had access to that crime scene before it was a crime scene and without any police supervision!!!

355. zippy Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

     Carmen,

     I just noticed your reply. I will find it and either post the link here or email it to you. No problem.

     Goodmorning to Marine,Mo,AZT, and everyone else.

     Hey, guys, really, let’s keep it cool here. Let’s not allow our disagreements in this nature distract us for what we really need to do. Ok! Goodmorning it is over 24 hrs and still at it. C’mon now guys!!

356. zippy Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

     Now since we are talking about MJ. Did anyone noticed on June 25th. I saw the video where it said that MJ was in a coma. But the newsreporter at the same time that he had died. Now, coma and being physically dead are two different things. As a matter of fact i was on the phone with a friend when she said they said he was in a coma. I sort of thought it was strange that at the bottom of the screen you will note that he is in a coma and at the same time out of your mouth say he died. Which one is it? Carmen perhaps earlier in your post you mentioned he was sedated could this be that this is what more than likely would have put him in a coma like state?

357. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

     Carmen:

     You continuely say you just want to educate people on what is going on with Michael’s kidnapping. When people ask honest questions, trying to find the truth - you ridicule them and make fun of them. Not everyone is as informed as you are. Have some respect and be a TEACHER. If you don’t want people to ask questions then why bother posting? You should be happy that people are getting the message that you feel MJ has been kidnapped and they are trying to clear their minds from what the media has told them. Not everyone just automatically ASSumes that a person declared dead - is alive.

     Just about everyone on here you have accused of either having MJ, being paid to keep him hidden, or jeopardizing his life. EVERYONE has jeopardized this mans life, except for perfect lil miss carman. Maybe IF he was really kidnapped (ha), you coming on to an unreputable tabloid site that originated out of THAILAND and pointing fingers at innocent people (AEG) then taking back your statement (but still puclicly accused them) and directly pointing fingers at the “bad guys” - maybe they are now scared that they are gonna get caught and will surely kill MJ. So maybe YOU are the one putting his life in danger. According to you everyone else is jeopardizing his life. You are the loudest mouth in here - so if his life is in jeopardy - it’s because you called out the big guys with their names on a public domain.

     But I know you will retalliate with your typical name calling and your typical libel slander and jargon. It will be the same post/response as the rest of them.

     You don’t scare me carman. And you just need to get out of your pea brain that everyone in here has either kidnapped Michael or putting his life at risk. Because the only one guilty of all the words you use; is yourself.

358. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 11:40 pm

     And good morning to you zippy. Did you know that pianogames has a new blog area?

     http://truthprevails.heavenforum.com/forum.htm

     And did you read his interview with Uri Geller?

     How strange is that?

359. marine_wife Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

     Zippy you are refering to this interview.. right?

     http://blogs.chron.com/celebritybuzz/2009/12/jermaine_jackson_feels_no_guil.html

360. zippy Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

     Marine,

     Yes, I am aware of the new blog that Pianogames have. I saw it last night.

361. zippy Says:
     February 26th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

     Yes, but for some reason I thought I heard it on youtube or something. I could be wrong.

362. carmen Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 12:17 am

     To ‘marine-wife’: this is not investigating ‘the death of the road runner’ on Bugs Bunny and the Tweedy Show, this is a murder investigation! I told you I had enough paper records that if I you were on the floor horizontal I could cover you in inches of paper and that’s not mentioning the recorded interview, live coverage, etc. etc. Because of the overwhelming amount of contradicting evidence, my posts are to long! However, if you find it difficult to read marine-wife, I understand the reason! I did say that you are dangerously incompetent earlier and that stands for your evaluation of evidence!!! So please do not read or comment on my posts, it’s enough that there are so many people lying and trying to cover up the truth, we don’t need you accidentally helping them!! Please go watch some hoax videos, those are short and rarely have any mention of real facts!!

     To zippy: thank you for that tape, I really want to get started on it and it would help if you could tell me where you saw that interview! Thank you for the help! I need to see it, research it and then I will give you my thoughts on it; but I also need to keep it for other investigators or witness’ to review later and perhaps at a later date get their thoughts on it! That’s important!

     To anyone thinking Michael knew he was going to fake his death before June 25th: think how evil it would be for a father to set up his children to get as traumatized as those kids were, especially for the first 1month and at the memorial!!! That Michael would do anything to prevent, unless he had no knowledge of what happened until the early hours of June 25th and unless he was forced with threat !!! The family still maintains that Prince was called upstairs by Dr. C. Murray to show him his deceased father!!! No doctor would call upstairs a 12yr old to show him his dead father: but a terrified father might call upstairs his oldest son for last minute instructions!!

363. zippy Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 12:37 am

     Carmen,

     I am getting ready to email you some links. I have emailed you before. So, you will see. Don’t delete.

364. carmen Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 1:04 am

     Look: after the fall of ‘09, when I realized I would have to use the internet first to push my knowledge out there, I encountered, an well organized force among more then half the hoaxters, to discredit evidence and discourage people from looking at the facts and instead send people in a wild goose chase!! This hoaxters, the majority, would take some crazy impossible idea and presented as a possible truth, connecting Michael’s name to bizarre and impossible unusual stories, to discredit real pain, cover up real ’slip-ups’, and distract from obvious scientific contradictions indicating foul play and completely attempting to distract from obvious suspects such as Tohmei and trying to pin it on less obvious suspects or Michael himself in spite of having no real evidence to back up their statements, but strongly banking on people ignorant opinions to back their ridiculous claims to some crazy lad ada cucu music!!!!

     That is called a covering up the cover up!!! When you indicate there is other research against obvious proven evidence, then that’s not research , that’s covering up the cover up to prevent any public from asking the right questions and possibly discovering any obvious close to the truth or actual truth that could jeopardize the comfort and security of the suspects from law enforcement!
     If you try to post any evidence, to show them wrong, the answers are in private threatening responds and those answers do not get published! If these people were independent they would have no problem you mentioning the doctor took and 1 hour to get to the door etc etc.. But this people constantly monitor their sight, 24h a day, and block any statements that indicative of evidence that oppose the message they are trying to push out! Now, there are a couple of you tube video’s that are easy showing to be independent, but even those video’s got taken by the hoaxters, presented in tiny excerpts and if you try to say anything different then discrediting the evidence they will attack you and if you use evidence the ‘fu*k you his dead’ turns to you being not allowed to post!!!!
     This people have a clear agenda to either: make you accept he is dead with no interest of evaluating any evidence AND make sure you do not accuse Tohmei or the bodyguards, OR make you believe that Michael faked his death willingly and is never coming back because the world hates him any he hates the world!!!
     If you try to publish anything different then their statements, 24h a day, they stay up for month and month, making sure that you do not post anything different especially if you have any obvious evidence to show them wrong!
     All that to a catchy silly tune!

365. toolsgrll Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 1:12 am

     Maybe his kids and whole family are helping him cover it up. They are all in on it

366. marine_wife Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 2:01 am

     Carman I will post here any time my pretty little self wishes. You do not scare me carman. Take your threats elsewhere.

367. marine_wife Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 2:10 am

     I’m here to stay carman. I will post as much as I’d like. This is a public domain, right carman? I find you very entertaining =}. I can see how men are gay because of “women” like you. You expect people to read your mind and when they can’t you get p!ssed. You say people are ignorant and dumb and stupid because they have not been educated on this subject; but when they ask honest questions trying to learn more - you put them down. Make up your mind carman. Do you want people educated or not? You putting the “suspects” out by name is what would possibly kill mj. You are the walking time bomb in your own case. Figure out what you want. Quit putting people down for asking questions because they don’t understand. Where in return you get your panties in a wad because they don’t know. You make absolutely no sense. I’m here to tell you that because of your circles you are found unreliable.

368. carmen Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 2:34 am

     toolsgll his kids are so traumatized and psychologically bombarded by the June 25th ‘death’ only a retarded person can say those tears of a 12yrs 11yrs old and 7yrs old are anything but ripping pain and trauma that no amount of money or counseling can ever fix, OR a person who has an agenda to make fun of the kids tragedy and Michaels possible murder/ possible kidnapping and unless you are psychologicaly unstable or without any sense of humanity in you, you will not dare make that dum joke!! Or you know what toolgirl, I hope and wish and ‘pray’ if anyone is listening up there, that your kids or little loved one will have the privilege of crying the same playful happy tears that Michael’s kids cried,for the first month non stop!!!

369. toolsgrll Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 2:48 am

     There again was expressing a thought. You have no idea of those hateful. Mean words you just used. I will have you know… I have a mentally and physically handicapped son that has the mentality of a 2 year old. He is smarter, brighter and more credible than you can ever pray to be. You go ahead and keep spouting your ego/ hate and stupidity. You are an evil person to wish ill of my children and you dear carmen… can go straight to hell.. along with your STUPID IGNORANT CRAZY OPINION! MAYBE ONE DAY YOU WILL BE SMART ENOUGH TO KEEP YOUR GOD FORSAKEN MOUTH SHUT YOU EVIL BITCH

370. marine_wife Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 3:04 am

     CarmaN you are a sick grotesque disgusting little girl. You are exactly what the Bible references to as the antichrist. You bear the symbol 666. I hope your tongue is ripped out just like it was done in mj’s fake autopsy. You will one day choke on your sick twisted words. Antichrist!! You need serious mental intervention.

371. zippy Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 3:08 am

     This is really bad!

372. carmen Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 3:17 am

     Oh toolsgrll, why so absent, you and your marine_wife are happily suggesting that Michael’s kids are crying fake tears, clutching on their father’s belongings, you are suggesting that all that is fake and acting and pretending and playful, and they are really not suffering, that is what you are suggesting, that this is all a game set up by Michael, all fake tears and definitely not enough pain!! So if their pain is not real and all fake why don’t you wish that pain on your children, why so upset ?!?!?!
     I actually wrote that message because I knew exactly how you would react and I wanted to use your own words against you to prove that off course even you realize the pain those kids are feeling is not fake! Haha!!! I am smart and well informed and you cannot put a veil over my eyes and you cannot shut my mouth !!!! toolsgrll and marine_wife: according to your suggestions that Michael’s children are crying fake not painful tears, if there is a God in heaven, I pray that your children will cry 10 times the kind of tears that Michael’s children cried which you suggest are fake tears!!!
     Nothing to be upset about honeys, I am only suggesting your kids should be 10 times better actors then Michael’s kids!!! Remember, according to your statements, Michael’s kids are helping their dad fake his death, they are faking it!!! Obviously, it seems to me you don’t want your children to be suffering, like even you have just proven in your statements that you realize those kids are actually not faking those tears and you would not want that for your kids; so why would Michael allow his kids to be ripped to shreds on national TV and cry non stop for 1 month! If he was faking his death willingly and had a chance to prepare for faking his death prior to June 25 those kids would not have suffered one single second! Unless, Michael had no preparation for faking his death and only had a moment to say goodbye to his son Prince(who looked terrified and in tears too) in the morning,
     of June 25th, as the family still maintains that Prince was called upstairs by the doctor after Michael ‘was dead’! Thank you for giving me so much anger to and pain to use to prove my point correct!

373. marine_wife Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 3:20 am

     Don’t you have something better to do carman? Like getting raped in the ass or something?

374. marine_wife Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 3:23 am

     If someone could just plug ONE of this woman’s holes. Not without a bitter sweet fight of course );-)

375. toolsgrl Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 3:25 am

     First off… I was angry about the retarded comment you MORON! You are nothing but an evil MORON!You proved my point when all I said was an opinion and then you started mouthing off again! POOR POOR PITIFUL Carmen doing all of her research doesn’t watch tv, doesn’t have any kind of life.. maybe you can’t have kids and that is why you are so focused on this.. but get one thing straight, you haven’t “PROVEN” anything except evilness and stupidity. I pity your parents that gave you life, oh how proud they must be and I pity anyone in close relation to you.. GOD FORBID ANYONE HAS AN OPINION!!!! You throw many words around and suffer no consequences, but that is ok, everyone can see with your comment to me just what an EVIL NORONIC STUPID person/bitch you really are. Get a life and have a great day… ignorant bitch

376. zippy Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 am

     Guys! Let’s stop. Let’s not mess this site up and have them ending up closing the forum because we are not getting along. Let it be done with and continue on doing what we can to solve this serious situation.

     Carmen, I say you have good points but I have to agree if what you have is good points make it teachable to others because we all do view things very much differently and noone view or think the same way.

     For everyone else let’s stop. Okay. We are all adults. It really looks bad arguing,name calling and degrading each other and it’s not getting anywhere other than being a distraction.

     This is just not cool.

377. toolsgrl Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 3:29 am

     You are right Zippy… I have a child that is mentally and pgysically handicapped and has almost died on more than 1 occasion.. and she attacked me yet once again for having an opinion when i said nothing ugly to her. And then intentionally wished ill upon my children. she has no proof of any of her reports, just read on the internet and formed an opinion, which is fine to have… but dear god, your opinion better be the same as hers or she will call you retarded now. Maybe she should grow a heart and stop being so stupid… yes… you are right Zippy,, this is bad

378. carmen Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 4:00 am

     I still don’t understand why you are so upset; if Michael is faking his death and his kids are on it like the two of you marine_wife and toolgsrll suggest and this is all a well planned game, and the kids are faking those tears, then there is nothing wrong and there is no reason you wouldn’t want Michael’s kids’ tear on your family and loved ones because according to you this is all Michael’s fake death game and the kids are just faking those tears with Michael!! So, once again, if anyone in this universe is God, and listening, I wish similar tears upon all your kids, exactly the same as Michael’s kids cried for the first Month after June 25th!! Hey, if Michael’s kids were faking it like you say you’ve got nothing to worry about!!! Honeys, I don’t believe on antichrist but if there ever could be an antichrist, I would be the one to stick a knife in the back of such a thing as an antichrist and save your butts from hiding under a rock! I don’t believe in antichrist, I am not that religious, but if there was
     such a thing, I would put that at the top of my list: for now Tohmei, the bodyguards, and Dr. C. Murray have that top priority on my list!!!

379. carmen Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 4:08 am

     But ok, I will let it go just as long as you don’t grow the pair to say those kids are faking and acting their tears!!

380. marine_wife Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 4:28 am

     I guess we will all see in the end, right Carman.

381. carmen Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 4:28 am

     For your information, I did help hunt down a rapist! I was extremely successful and did not get hurt! That rapists life is worst then over!!! What can I do, I have my fun!!!

382. marine_wife Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 5:01 am

     toolsgirl don’t let this ignorant person bring you down about your children. She wants us to feed in to her pathetic web. So being that we are the only two on here (with a pair, if I must say) that feels that MJ is alive and all this will come to a head soon; just continue to post links of interesting articles that people may over look. But seriously, I wouldn’t give this twit a second look. Don’t feed in to her. Be proud of who you are and who your handicapped child is. I have three children myself. She’s nothing short of a nitwit and you know the saying “keep your friends close and your enemies closer” ]:-) ha!

383. marine_wife Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 5:05 am

     Good for you Carman!!! I’m sorry you don’t get credit any where else other than a website out of thailand. I know it’s normal for people that don’t get the attention they crave, to go to boasting levels. Michael Jackson spoke about people like you all the time, so I’m very familiar ((smiles))

384. Azt Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 5:08 am

     Ok! The picture took almost seven month to be confirmed fake I am waiting anxiously what would be the next thing to be confirmed fake by michael’s lawyers the autopsy maybe?

385. marine_wife Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 5:10 am

     Cyber validation. ((LOL))

     If anyone has any good recent Michael information, please share! My attention span with type B personalities is running short..

386. marine_wife Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 5:18 am

     azt - I hope so. That would be nice. I wonder….

     Do you think the photo that was supposedly used to photoshop the ambulace shot is the picture that was used? Some say there are alot of similarities and others say they don’t think it is…

     It looks like it could have been…

     Which would have explained the clear shot taken through tinted windows…

     And what about the guy who claims he took the photo?? Has he spoken about this? I’m curious to hear what he has to say.

387. toolsgrl Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 5:31 am

     Ok… I will clarify myself ONE MORE TIME: The reason I got so upset in the first place, and didn’t care what the rest of you post said was because I HAVE A MENTALLY HANDICAPPED SON WHO MOST WOULD CLAIM TO BE RETARDED AND YOU CALLED ME RETARDED. You can’t throw around words that you know nothing about,, especially considering my child has almost died more than once due to his ailments. I take high offense to those words being thrown around to try and make you look better! and as far as Michaels children, I do not believe he would be soooo cruel to them. I was stating the fact that he wasn’t being cruel to them at all if you would be smart enough to actually read what I wrote. YOU SHOW ME ONE,,, JUST ONE PICTURE OTHER THAN THE MEMORIAL WHERE THEY ARE CRYING. From what I have seen this whole time, other than the memorial, they are out and about having a good time. Even at the Grammy’s when they accepted an award on his behalf, there were no tears! I have never seen a picture or video of them since the memorial where they were crying. As a matter of fact, just a week after he “died” they were with family members out and about shopping and doing fun things with smiles on their faces the whole time. google it! I’m not saying that if they thought he was dead, they weren’t crying real tears… I am saying you need to recheck your info on his kids and show me the proof of them being so devastated OTHER THAN THE MEMORIAL! it doesn’t take a genius to understand my OPINION! so here is to you Carmen, keep being crazy, and I will keep following other people’s credible proof but you are a whack job!!
     And to Marines_wife.. thank you. I have 5 children and they are my life. My handicapped son brings flare and joy to all of us!

388. toolsgrl Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 5:40 am

     AZT and Marine_wife: It would be GREAT i the autopsy was said to be a fake (which i definitely think it is) the picture looks fake to me. Michael hasn’t looked like that for a long time. it is so easy to photoshop anything these days. Michael even said it himself, you can’t believe everything you see or read. There are so many clues that are slowly revealing themselves.

389. Mo Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 6:23 am

     There is so much anger and ugliness here. I saw that ppl were posting about piano games so I googled him. I think for a 16 yr old he is brilliant and I can’t belive the time he has spent in his work. I got a lot of info here guys. thank you very much. I have jooind a few other places and i’ve been welcomed openly and warmly because they knw we are all just trying to sort out alot of messes. I feel more comfortable in those areas and i hope i learn more because just not very long ago I thought Mike was dead. I didn’t know anybetter. When people say someone dies and there is that much footage one just assumes that person has died. i’ve been introduced to alot of theories and i’m trying to learn new things about the stuff that isnt adding up. i didn’t think i did anything wrong but I keep getting called names here so Im not really learning anything except being called terrible things. I work in a large work invironment and I have many friends and acquatences and No one has ever spoke to me like I got here. I thaink you guys that were very nice but i have found a better place that I can continue my learning. Just not everyone knws the truth and I don’t see the harm in that. I’m a trusting individual by nature but that has sure burned me here. anywho good luck to you guys on your search and ur Mike Schooling. May we all find the truth soon whatever it might be. God bless u all.

390. carmen Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 6:36 am

     In the first month, every time the media recorded the children, they were seen with drenched faces and napkins full of tears. Every time the camera was on those kids they would pour their pain into the camera as if reaching at someone they knew and loved -most evidently observed at the memorial, when little 11yrs old Paris and prince poured out their pleas of mercy in a statement that said their father was the father he could be, constanley starring into the cameras in such horrifying tears and looks of fear and tragedy everyone cried with them around the world: except for the people that think that those were fake tears! You two brilliant gifts to humanity! I love it when people try to cover up evidence because it gives me an opportunity to expose in close detail the very evidence you are trying to cover up!

391. toolsgrll Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 7:21 am

     carmen carmen carmen… where oh where are the pictures because surely someone with your intelligence has proof.. as in actual pictures or video of these devastating and heart breaking children… I’m sure you will understand if I don’t believe your statements/OPINIONS without proof. PROOF PROOF PROOF! Anybody can go on a website and say what they want… but with no proof how is it believable? Show me the PROOF AND MAYBE I WILL BELIEVE SOMETHING YOU SAY

392. Azt Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 8:54 am

     Ok I am researching more and more proof to come out from his lawyers the most important thing for me is he is breathing somewhere in this planet and pray for him becuse this should not be the way for michael to leave this planet:)…

393. carmen Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 10:43 am

     To Azt: if we work together we can find him, sharp minds,real searches4 mistakes not clues! One day he might be safe and the next day he would not be safe!! Like I said, in a private message, until he is declared alive,nobody can really protect him!

394. Azt Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

     Hey carmen yes that is what we should be digging more and more facts facts facts I mean everybody we can’t let go Michael like that I am so discouraged honestly to live in this planet after June 25th is this what you will in return from this world for being a nice person? It is the same for all of us if we had the fame and money when you give a kiss is it a slap what you get in return? I mean what a wild world?

395. Azt Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

     I am sorry is this what you get in return? (iPhone error again)

396. carmen Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

     You know, Azt: in the jungle there are a lot of powerful beautiful exhibits of nature at it’s best; power, spirit, intellect, beauty, speed agility and extraordinary marvels; but it only takes a microscopic virus, to turn the beautiful majestic jungle into the ugliest field of death!!
     The world is full of good people, but hey can be manipulated, through suggestive words, power plays, threats, fear, especially since we live on such a self satisfying world! people look out for their themselves before other. But that’s because most aren’t taught the benefits of doing the right thing consistently, results on wealth, success, peace of mind and secure power!
     We can never expect the world to do the right thing, we can only do the right thing ourselves!!! I will send you some emails on Monday, hopefully you can help!! Did u fix your email?!?!

397. Azt Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

     Hey carmen not yet I dropped my iPhone I think that is the problem and my desktop I don’t know something crazy is going on I would definately let u know I have to change my phone cause I have cracked it!!!

398. carmen Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

     By the way, I guess these page I’d from Thailand. beautiful country! Be there a few years ago, Bangkok; wow, they actually have palaces of marble and gold!! You can see the thousands of years of history, you can smell it! And the food, wow, the food is something you just can’t forget!!! I love french food, I can tolerate italian food, but I can live on Thai food! And so healthy!

399. Azt Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

     Oh my carmen so am I I love thai food it is one if my favourite I can too live with Thai food anyway’s one thing I found lastnight is this I thought jonatan fielding whose name appear in one of the so called death cirtificate is not a Dr he is the Director of the department of public health officer for LA county I was depressed looking at his name thinking he was a DR ok I am still dying to know where is one DR who signed the DC? And latoya was just the informant!!!

400. toolsgrl Says:
     February 27th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

     AZT: I was looking around last night and found this 20/20 interview that Barbara Walters did with Latoya. In the video Latoya says she signed the death certificate? I haven’t been able to find a copy of the DC that she signed tho. Here is the link if you are interested there are three parts to the interview…
     part one

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpTnvwxRyW8

     part 2
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmEKYFYP6dI&feature=related

     part 3
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_Lx23YQe4&feature=related

     This interview sounds alot like someones opinion in this forum

401. toolsgrl Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 12:07 am

     another interview with Latoya:
     http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1199092/La-Toya-Jackson-Michael-murdered–I-felt-start.html

     She says Paris demanded to see her father ‘one last time’. After a nurse told La Toya it would help the children grasp the reality that their father was dead, she held Paris’s hand as all three children, together with Michael’s brother Randy, went into the small ante-room off the emergency room where Michael lay, still warm to the touch.

     ‘We hugged and kissed him and the children lifted up his hands. He didn’t look like he was gone. His eyes were half open and he looked like he was sleeping. He wasn’t cold.

     ‘The kids had been screaming and crying but once they were in that room and saw Michael they stopped and became calm. We said prayers over him. I asked them, “What do you want to say to Daddy?” and they said private things to him.

     Paris was holding his hand. We were all sitting around the bed. His chest was very red from the attempts to revive him. I lifted the covers to see his legs. Everything looked fine.’

402. Azt Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 12:40 am

     I know I have seen that but it does not have validity I am just dying to know why all the Drs refused to sign?

403. carmen Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 1:22 am

     Like I said: the body at the house was recorded showing lividity at 12:21pm! They had this moment after 2:30pm a body that shows lividity means the fluids and blood settled in the body on the side the body is laying. After death and before lividity, all the liquids get released from the body’s muscles,veins organs etc.. That is when the body may just get a little warmer because of the massive release of fluids all at once! These all happens long before lividity and makes the skin look very pail, somewhat clammy and wet, cooling the body! As the fluids sip through the muscles pulled by gravity to the side of the body on which the body is laying, all body heat is lost! Once those fluids start settling at the bottom of the body, depending on which side it was laying, that is the process of lividity. It caused bruising to one side on the skin and prepares the body for the process of decomposition! The process of lividity takes a min. of 1.5 h to 2h before it is noted as the EMT noted at 12:21pm! The body to be
     warm, especially on the hands, 2hours after lividity is recorded is almost impossible unless maybe in a 380p man! The body at the house was showing lividity so noticeably, the EMT was said to have wanted to declare him dead on the scene - but Dr. C. Murray insisted for the reviving on site procedure. Further, people have said that the body at the house looked like it had been moved after death!! That means irregular bruising due to lividity! The EMT was rumored to not have realized the person they were picking up was Michael Jackson! Maybe the doctors had doubts about the identity of the person on their table!!! Don’t forget, who were the people at the hospital showing the doctors to the body and showing the family to Michael still warm at 2:30pm! Tohmei hired bodyguards with Tohmei, as we see him on CNN, present on the scene, in spite of heaving been fired from Michael’s contract days before June 25th and being the only person Michael went on record accusing Tohmei of making him fear for his life!
     These, whole switch could have easily been done in the same hospital room with a use of a simple hospital curtain like so: keep the body on a bed in ER and pull the curtain for privacy, and keep Michael on a different hospital bed and pull the privacy curtain! When the doctors would come in, the Tohmei hired security bodyguards would pull back the curtain on the body, that was showing lividity at 12:21pm, then the doctors would go crazy trying to save it but off course those efforts were futile! Then the doctors, leave the ER room after the efforts to save someone’s life fail, to give privacy to the family! The body guards would pull the curtains for privacy, found on every ER room, and when the bodyguards bring in the family members to off course ID the body, they would pull back the curtains on the real Michael, that the kids and family would easily recognize!!
     Here is a possible reason the ER doctors refused to sign the death certificate: it maybe be that the ER doctors felt the same as the EMT who was sid to not have recognized the body as Michael Jackson! Those doctors are of the right age and financial background and culture to know what Michael Jackson looked like and they may have taken a look at the body and said we want to do a DNA test or we are not signing the death certificate!!! Don’t forget, Tohmei’s team approached the sister and demanded she sign the death certificate because without a temporary ER doctor signed certificate the body cannot be discharged from the ER to the morgue!!! So that may be the reason the bodyguards and Tohmei’s team demanded the sister to sign the temporary ER death certificate! They were on a tight schedule!! Don’t forget, Dr. C. Murray was seen bolting out of the ER room with no explanation were he was going right after Michael was brought into the ER room!! C. Murray was unreachable by any means for many hours and when he
     was found he said he went to look for a lawyer. Which lawyer, by what means did he contact a lawyer because his phone was turned off! Who drove him, because his car was at the rented home, not at the hospital. Lawyers always keep phone records, log sheets, have secretaries, show evidence me one lawyer C. Murray contacted in the hours he was unreachable!! Did he even leave the hospital grounds and did he ever enter the hospital by some other entrance!!! Don’t forget, the ER fire alarm was pulled while Michael was in the ER and Dr. C. Murray was unreachable and personal was evacuated, in spite of no fire being found anywhere. If Michael was at 2:30pm as the family recorded him, ’still warm, warm to the touch, looking like he was sleeping,’ those are all signs of someone under powerful anesthesia not death!!!! Just a strong injectable anesthesia with a powerful sedative/muscle relaxant, and that’s exactly the look that you get for about an hour or so, then a shot of adrenaline in the heart or any other reviving
     method and he would be as good as new! Even breathing could be so shallow, he would look like he was not breathing!!! Think about it, when you line up all the reported events this is theory makes itself !!!
     I told you the doctor’s name isn’t Jonathen, it’s Ruth something! When I realized I have to go public with my findings I sent all my research to an off site storage; because all sorts of people can locate you once you start publishing their mistakes and start showing something close to the truth or the actual truth. I’ve got everybody from unidentified media to friends to associates to people who were really concerned for my well being snooping around so I don’t want to keep any trivial research at my place or office!
     But I told you the sister signed the temporary birth certificate!!! When I send everything for safe keeping I only kept some of the copies with me but I didn’t make copies of the recordings of interviews because I thought those are always available on line!! I want to reassemble my public evidence so feel free to post all the things I told you here are public information! Now my truth and knowledge which does include unpublished evidence I would never publish unless Michael were dead or not reachable; but as long as he is alive, the more that we expose the published events without going on a wild goose chase, the less rum for the beg guys, who ever they are, if Michael were kidnapped, to hold Michael back from being declared alive!!
     We have to make it impossible for any of them to escape their mistakes, except with Michael -DNA confirmed- officially declared alive!!!

404. angel Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 5:14 am

     Don;t be so naive regardin Oxman-he is media whore,well known fact by majority of MJ fans-and this story with fake picture-I can tell along story of it origine,so don;t believ this foul .These pictures were created by”hoax-believers”long ago,to proove their theory.I saw them since August(I mean the ones with comapsion of 1985 and 2009 phtos and then with blurred face and with MSG photo-absolutly wrong angle and postion of face,absolutly diffrent.So even if photos from abulance are made up by the greedy paparazzi,these photos Bian Oxman took from hoax sites-are ridiculous.So now use them as proof that ambulance photo is fake-is very unprofessional and ridiculous from Oxman,well he is always like this,just few minutes when after Michael was taken to hospital,he was quick to scream-”drug abuse,morphine,demerol!”-such “family freinds” as he ,will only help Murrey walk free,because they are the origine of this ugly rumours of drug addicted Michael,which were prooved wrong by official autopsy report

405. carmen Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 5:39 am

     Angel: I don’t know who you are, but from the way you talk you sound familiar. If you have the inexperience nuts to ignore all the evidence that clearly backs up Brian Oxman televised conference stating the pictures are 99.9% sure here ’s a little something to ease you poor judgment! I compared photos of the ER stretcher with general photos of Michael in the 80s ant at the staples center rehearsal and yes, the stretcher ambulance photo has the face characteristics of Michael before the Dr. Klein reconstructive work, including that his nose ridge connects to the forehead and not between the eyes like the photos at Staples Center! Further the eyebrows are not slopped open and inward like at staples center rehearsal but are supported by a bonny ridge of eyebrow in the skull!!! There are a page of differences that I have noted between the stretcher photo and the rehearsal photo by July ‘09 and sent those differences to various associates of Michael! That is July 09, I have about page of differences noted
     between the rehearsal photo and picture on the stretcher!!! I am gland that Brian Oxman has the courage and dignity to admit the truth and he is one lawyer that has my respect!!!
     As for you ‘angel’, to ignore all those differences and all the overwhelming evidence, well that means somebody’s got you bend over a table, aka, you must be someone’s ‘whore’, NOT BRIAN OXMAN!!!
     It took from July’09 to Feb. 2010 for someone to have the courage to catch up with my findings from July ‘09! Thank you Mr. Oxman!!!

406. Azt Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 6:08 am

     Hey carmen I don’t know angie I am not sure who she is don’t know what she is talkingabout if Brian Oxman had doubts about this he will never ever come out in public and say it is fake oh God where is the common sense?

407. carmen Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 6:51 am

     Read my posting before this one! I have the receipts from the post office for those letters I wrote in July pointing out the differences between pictures of Michael at Staples Center and the picture on the stretcher! Enormous differences in the. And structure of nose, eye brows bone ridge, shape of the eyes and eye sockets, shape of nose ridge, shape of nostrils, shape of chick bones etc.

408. carmen Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 6:52 am

     Read my posting before this one! I have the receipts from the post office for those letters I wrote in July pointing out the differences between pictures of Michael at Staples Center and the picture on the stretcher! Enormous differences in the. And structure of nose, eye brows bone ridge, shape of the eyes and eye sockets, shape of nose ridge, shape of nostrils, shape of chick bones etc.
     Those observations where recorded by me in July ‘09 !

409. Azt Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 8:34 am

     Carmen I just don’t understand how some people think I am 100% sure before Brian came out with the fake pic that he had permission from the family and the family must have agreed on him announcing it God I am speechless!!!

410. Azt Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 8:48 am

     I am usually in to facts facts but what had been bothering me is how come if his death was real people who came in contact with the body or one Dr or nurse or paramedic I mean someone/ somebody or even many people at this point did not come out of the wood work for 5 minute fame or even money? I mean don’t get me wrong all these are good signs:)…

411. carmen Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 9:09 am

     One word: FEAR!!!
     Here are a few aspects to fear:
     The people scene all around Michael on June 25th through 30th are the people who Michael, a superstar feared! They must have shown some extra sense of force for Michael to fear this people -muscle, guns, vehicles, means!
     The ‘body’ is not buried under 6 feet of dirt! It’s on a neat slab at the mausoleum, in the privacy of only hall camera’s and a few underpaid security guards who don’t see much action! Anyone with proper pass can have access to the slab and take the old body out and put the real Michael on that slab!
     Anyone coming forward, would have their career and credibility attacked by the bad people and the influence/muscle flexing power of the people who did the flexing on Michael!
     Now, I am pretty independent in my career, and when I work with someone is because I choose to work with someone; nobody can jeopardize my career! But a parent with a mortgage, kids etc…
     The people at the hospital and morgue did come out and describe the body to numerous media sources as ‘unidentified sources’: ALL DESCRIPTIONS WERE IDENTICAL, but people are scared of being attacked if they go on record!!etc…

412. Azt Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 9:26 am

     Ok I just read a little bit of angie’s story a lawyer to go to a hoax site and make his judgment based on a hoax site are u ok? This is a family reputable lawyer angie woman u need to wake up lawyers are usually very carefull when it comes to do and don’t there is such a thing called revocation of a license!!!

413. carmen Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 9:36 am

     Plus, you need to realize that most people at the morgue/hospital have not seen what the real Michael looked like on June 23rd, they just got a body and were told it was Michael! The EMT were rumored not have recognized Michael when they were received at the house and even those doctors in ER did walk out of the room at 2:30pm, there must have been some kind of doubts that they refused to sign the death certificate because they would not have walked out if they didn’t think the body was dead! The EMT was said to have wanted to declare the body dead on the scene but C. Murray opposed and wanted CPR!
     The people at the morgue and hospital, various sources, to various news stations, respectable magazines and reporters all described the body as 110p, skinny emaciated, no hair anywhere, displaying a hole were the nose was suppose to be(missing prosthesis) etc..
     The description stayed unchallenged and consistent except for the rehearsal video that showed an athletic, big boned, lean muscle Michael that looked about 136p!
     All th reports at the morgue did not changed with the release of the rehearsal video and only remained perfectly consistent until the after the funeral, 2 weeks after the funeral when the official 4 month delayed autopsy report said he were 136p, has no mention of the missing nasal prosthesis, every news station and magazine and radio reported etc etc..
     All those sources for different magazines, news stations all use different sources for their stories!! All news stations had the same skinny bonny 110p description, not the 136p rehearsal video footage!!!
     I strongly believe the man who died on June 25th, if anybody died, was not the real Michael because ‘they’ did everything to avoid taking a DNA test!!!

414. Azt Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 10:23 am

     Absoulutely carmen Micahel Jackson is not God from heaven he is a human being unless there is I mean some serious serious doubt in the identity of that person there is no way there is no reason for them to be this fearful and cautious I mean they sure don’t want to loose their license over some stupidity!!!

415. Azt Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 10:58 am

     And think about it carmen specially if they refused to take DNA what is the real proof then there got to be something going on for all these comotion and craziness death is something serious I don’t think it should be questioned twice or three times!!!

416. carmen Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

     Azt: it is a full moon, how did you know I would be up?! Just teasin’ you and in the words of my favorite childhood teacher: ‘your thought kung-fu is not good’. If any of those sources/people at the morgue and hospital, would come forward and report that the autopsy does not reflect their recollection of the ‘body’s’ appearance, they would not have an actual body to back up their statements, since the body was buried at the mausoleum 2 weeks before the autopsy report was released! They would have to oppose their highest superior and boss, and call him a lair on TV, for sure to result in this sources/people loosing their jobs! This are hospital workers and government workers witch have been working for many years towards their retirement! Why risk their career? To simply say that they didn’t think the body looked like it was described in the autopsy?!
     What could the ER doctors say, the body didn’t look like Michael Jackson! They don’t know exactly what Michael looks like, they just got a dead body and were told it was Michael Jackson!! Remember, a dead body, without a positive ID from the family is an automatic DNA test before for the doctor to sign the death certificate! Even if they don’t know who to compare the DNA to, as in cases of Jhon Does, the DNA from the victim is taken just in case family comes looking for the victim at a later date!! For the doctors to have refused to sign the death certificate shows that most likely they had doubts the body was Michael Jackson! I am sure the doctors tried to revive the same body the EMT recorded as showing lividity at 12:21pm and was said to not have recognized as Michael Jackson!! Remember, C. Murray did say that he did child CPR on Michael in bed because he thought Michael was to skinny for adult CPR on a hard surface. Nobody, not the EMT, not the ER stuff and not the morgue acted surprised by that
     statement - all saying the body was emaciated skinny and consistently, until the autopsy report was released 4 month later, all said that the body was only about 110p! A sharp contradiction to the rehearsal release of June 23, where Michael looks about 135p! Those doctors protected their license by not signing the death certificate! Which means that without the doctor’s signature, who probably was wanting a DNA test, the body cannot be discharged for the morgue!! That may be the explanation Michael’s sister got cornered and told by the Tohmei team ’she had to sign the death certificate! I guess they were counting on the driver’s for the coroner to be spaced out enough not to notice that the signature on the death certificate was not a doctors but Michael’s sister!!! So, 8 month later, now you probably have a coroner that is breathing down a doctor’s back, a very uneasy stuff at the coroner’s office, and an entire parade of nurses and doctors at the morgue who went to see the body with the missing prosthesis
     they thought was Michael, v being described differently then the body they observed and reported to all news media!! So what ta heck can they do? They don’t have the body to prove different claims, the person they would have to challange would be their boss and even the head off the coroner, the coroner did get a body! The rest the coroner says, with a all do respect I am not naïve enough to trust!! That’s why when I got the autopsy report when it was published and when I saw what was written on it, I tossed it in the garbage, went for a ride, and picked it up all ripped up and send it to be archived!!!! It’s still ripped up I am sure!!! I would be disappointed if anyone would waste any scotch tape on that garbage!! I didn’t even finished reading it!!!

417. marine_wife Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

     Why didn’t the family ask for a dna test on Michael? I’m assuming that Brian talked to the family about the photo being fake. I wonder who initiated the topic? Surely Brian spoke to Joe about it… so hasn’t that picture raised suspicion with the family? Do you think now the family will want this case investigated further? Has the family spoken about the fake photograph publicly yet? Surely someone in that family will make a statement about it. And why was the family ok that a doctor wouldn’t sign off on the death certificate?? Surely they had to feel as though something wasn’t right and asked for things to be looked into in better detail. With all these new things popping up, do you think the family will have the body dna tested?

418. marine_wife Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

     Was it Latoya that signed Dr. Fieldings name on the DC??? When she said she signed it, I assumed that she signed her actual name. But now I can only assume that she is the one that signed Dr. Fielding’s name?

419. marine_wife Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

     Did anyone hear that Craig Harvey (chief coroner investigator) say that in two weeks after MJ’s death, there were more than 300 views on the restricted electronic death registration system? He said he learned about the breached files while receiving a tip accusing a funeral home employee of creating a fake death certificate for MJ in the computer system. Why??!

420. marine_wife Says:
     February 28th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

     Michael definitely looked tired and exhausted in this photo from TII. He does look awfully thin but not sure if 110 pounds thin!

     http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6230/tiitired.jpg

421. angel Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 3:27 am

     what a waste of time and what a obsessed internet maniak this carmen person is ,classic example of troll,even worse then all these hoaxers taken all together-you need to go to clinic ,dear.you even write delirium,I wonder how you talk? every SANE old school real MJ fan,not crazies like you who become interested in his peronality only after his death,will tell you-Brian Oxman was fired by Tomas Messerau at 2005 and it is known fact that he is liar and media whore-he was first ,few minutes after Michael was taken to hospital,who screamed-”Addiction,drugs,morphine!” lmao what a crazy loonie are you with all these”investigations”. Crazy,did you read and analize autopsy report? Reality bites,isn’t it? so they found a corpse with exactly the same scar from burn at the head etc fantastic! nd even artritus at at finger of left hands-also the same little unique details as Michael had how will you explaine this? no it better to attack insult and hide I wonder if you are so brave in real life,probably paranoid who sit at home behind the comp 24 hours a day and crazy,did you investigate the route of this abmulance photos-these ones Brian showed as proof lol were made up by hoaxers long ago,at summer to proove their theories every one with brains would go fisrt and look at internet,only then make conclusion what a crazy,uneducated silly,manipulated by media,brainless people you are,with such investigation we will never learn truth about Michael’s murder

422. Azt Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 4:20 am

     To Angie listen the case very complicated fora murder I don’t know how much you follow the entire thing I don’t belive in hoax theory I go for facts ok there are common laws which applies whether u are a celebratey or not looking at Michael case so many many thing lacks to the point u question the whole thing and if Brian Oxman was such a bad lawyer the family would have fired himlong time ago ok the reason Tom mesaru let him go in 2005 was the case was exteremely sensitive ok Randy had fired raymone bain aswell later Michael hired her back so let me ask you angie how much effort and investigation are you doing in this case? To me you come throw some words and go ok and please don’t call people Brainless and uneducated I have taken some law classes I really think you should go and educate yourself go read some law books and tell me how so many things add up and by the way carmen is a very BRIGHT PERSON!!!

     E

423. John Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 4:44 am

     I agree with AZT If Brian Oxman was that bad the family would have never rehire him back Angie they are a lot smarter than you are so don’t underestimate the Jackson’s!!!

424. carmen Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 4:53 am

     Thank you Azt: I have been in meetings all day and I have 3 more meetings to see; I haven’t had the chance to keep up with what ‘angel’ is saying, but I belief that is someone sees this evidence, which is, well verifiable and the theories based on these verifiable evidence those people who are involved and have produced this problems with Michael would be very angry and hateful and trying to do anything to distract from their recorded mistakes! Hateful remarks for Jackson family attorney me are empty insults because they are only showing defensive and fearful furry, which only confirms that my theories and observations worry th people close to June 25th events in Michael’s life!!! You know, guilty people are always fearful; remember Sheakespear’s Lady Macbeth ‘out damn spot out’! Usually criminals will be paranoid enough to go smelling around for people who could bust them! Ironic! I don’t quit understand, why a neutral person would be so angry at evidence desvovered by two public officials!! I would thing a neutral person would just be curious, not calling the other people ‘whore’ ! Anyway, running late, please digging for info and expect a lot of hate anger, if I am right, from the people who did these before they let Michael go or before they get thrown in orange jump suits!! Guilty people are usually very angry people, especially if they don’t want to get caught!! I am not saying angel is one of them, but he shore is angry of me and Brian Oxman and everybody that wants to take a look at evidence?!?!?! Maybe he isn’t getting enough vitamins in his diet!!!

425. radison Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 5:12 am

     as usual nothing but bashing, fighting, name-calling!!! youpee!!!! does nothing ever change? are u all sick or something? when will you understand or accept the fact that people tend to have different opinions?? it’s the same as personal taste.. like ex. i like the color blue and somebody else will like the color green more. or maybe i only eat red meat and somebody else eats only fish…!!! for crissake people get a friggin’ grip and let people have their own opinions! jeez!!!!!!!!!!! i am pretty sure of one thing: not one single person here on this forum or any other forum knows exactly what happened on june 25th 2009. and to pretend otherwise is just pathetic. we all have our own ideas and opinions and theories, but that is all they are. i for one believe/hope Michael to be alive, only problem is that i don’t have anything other than hope/ideas/theories/opinions to support this belief. yes i have researched, ever since the first day!! so don’t tell me i don’t know what you do, because we all have the same source and that is the internet!!! yes i’ve watched all the videos, read all the reports and watched every program even remotely related to MJ, so, come on people give it a rest, work together on this, stop the fighting, stop the bitching.. we are all here for MJ, and one day the truth will be told, until then i really wish the fighting would stop and some people claiming to be better than others should take a long hard look in the mirror and ask themselves
     1) am i sick?
     2) would michael really want this?
     if u all care the tiniest bit about MJ, stop the fighting right now, have some respect for Him and eachother. peace to all mankind.. love to MJ, forever

426. John Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 6:14 am

     This is for Angie Brian Oxman has a law degree and I belive you have wanna be smart degree? Right?

427. Azt Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 6:26 am

     Hey John the ambulance pic was sold to the media by Ben evanstead don’t know if I have his name correct he is a photographer and long time MJ fan so it was not a hoaxer who sold it to the media u can find his interview on YouTube Angie does not seem to even know this;)…

428. Azt Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 6:36 am

     Sorry I don’t know how john appear I Was refering it to carmen ,Sorry mistake

429. Mark Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 6:51 am

     Angie Brian Oxman has a law degree I think you have I wanna be smart degree right?

430. Mark Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 7:56 am

     Angie again to me you sound like a hypocrite if you think this is a waste of time why are you wasting your time reading all these?

431. Azt Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 9:48 am

     N P G national photo group is the one who sold the pic to the media Ben evanstead and chris are the one who sold the pic it is not a hoaxer!!!

432. marines_wife Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 7:17 pm

     So ‘Mark’ and ‘John’ just so happens to post the same exact thing??

     John Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 6:14 am
     This is for Angie Brian Oxman has a law degree and I belive you have wanna be smart degree? Right?

     Mark Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 6:51 am
     Angie Brian Oxman has a law degree I think you have I wanna be smart degree right?

     Sounds like you need to get your identity straight?? Maybe?? Gotta love internet games. LMAO

433. toolsgrl Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 8:42 pm

     Marine_wife: why would you question ANYTHING you read on this website? The people on here are soooooo believable LMAO… riiiiigggghhhhhtttt!!!!

434. marines_wife Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 10:11 pm

     I know, right. Other websites even get comical relief reading this bs. Mark and John was just the icing on the cake. Officially the WWW (world wide web) stands for WORLD WIDE WHACOS. ((insert rolling eyes here))

435. marines_wife Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 10:23 pm

     toolsgrl I could never figure out what Michelangelo’s 16th chapel is. Shows the freakin intelligence at this circus. If they can’t even get that right, they sure the hell ain’t gonna solve the mystery of a living dead man =D

436. carmen Says:
     March 1st, 2010 at 10:40 pm

     u know marine_wife toolsgrll, if you don’t like these page there is a billion other pages on the net!! Why be so unhappy here? Criminal intelligence analysis can be so difficult to handle! Don’t agree with the evidence, go fight the people who made the evidence, go to a different sight but being belligerent is not any way to get these page shut down!!!!

437. toolsgrll Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 12:33 am

     Im sorry carmen… I was addressing marine_wife… but since you addressed me… I will answer.. aren’t you the pot calling the kettle black

438. Azt Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 1:35 am

     I saw joe Jackson’s interview that Thomei guy is definately should be on NO 1 investigation list the guy just could not let go of Michael even after he got fired I mean his obssesion was beyond it is embarassing!!!

439. Azt Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 1:38 am

     carmen I saw your posting right after the interview on larry king good job!!!

440. marines_wife Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 3:25 am

     Yeah but I have to help people understand that you’re not creditable. You don’t even know what Michelangelo’s SISTENE CHAPEL is…. it’s not the 16th chapel moron. You keep talking when you don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground. Your ignorance just floods this page. And I’m here to correct your ignorance. And, BTW, I was talking to toolsgrl you stupid mashugana.

441. zippy Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 4:05 am

     Carmen,

     I read one of your post. I have a question on this one that i decided to copy and paste:

     Carmen quote: looking like he was sleeping,’ those are all signs of someone under powerful anesthesia not death!!!! Just a strong injectable anesthesia with a powerful sedative/muscle relaxant, and that’s exactly the look that you get for about an hour or so, then a shot of adrenalin!
     e in the heart or any other reviving
     method and he would be as good as new! Even breathing could be so shallow, he would look like he was not breathing!!! Think about it, when you line up all the reported events this is theory makes itself !!!

     my reply to this: I had emailed you this and I believe you responded it was in regards to the news that I saw on a video where the newsreporter said that MJ had died but below that it says on the screen that MJ was in a coma. Two different things? Based on what you have stated which I had just copied above could this have been possible that this injection caused him to go in a coma state? Did you also get the Jermaine Jackson interview that I sent you also?

442. zippy Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 4:13 am

     Please people! Please carmen! Marine, and anyone else participating in this negativity let’s really stop this! Look how this is distracting the genuine purpose to be here. Some have no interest in even getting involved anymore because of the unnecessary name-calling,belittling, and backbitting. Let’s stop pointing fingers at one another. We may not agree with specific theories but really this needs to stop. :( :(
     I can’t believe you all are still at this craziness.

     Marine,
     If I hadn’t had a chance to respond to your reply. My apology. I didn’t check my emails over the weekend. Pretty much I have seen much of the videos. All of them. Thank you. :)

     Carmen, I emailed you as I included in my last reply.

443. toolsgrl Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 4:22 am

     hi Zippy… I remember watching the news that morning and the newscasters were saying he was in a coma, and then about 15 minutes later they said he had a heart attack? I can’t find the initial report i watched.

444. carmen Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 4:26 am

     Doing some intensive research on Tohmei, really bad decision for Michael to let him have access to his finances!!! Really bad!! Think about it, Michael, is really a very intelligent man, but lacks street smarts! The connections Tohmei ” ‘financial advisor’ ” has connections that go down on roads records loose track of information or record’s cannot be trusted, with unexplained connections to strange people / weird people in places considered by other ‘very bad places’! Not high end/ just bad places!!! To have Tohmei in charge of Michael’s money, in command of his accounting and other financial assistants, in command of hiring and managing Michael’s bodyguards and the children’s doctor C. Murray and nurse Lee brought in by his team of bodyguards is like giving ‘Osama’ the key to your house, bank vault , children and medicine cabinet!!!
     I look at the powerful investors/execs. at AEG, and in my opinion they cleared with flying colors, in spite of them being first on my list, because they took such a loss in the market, those people behind AEG took an even more shocking loss from Michael’s June 25th ‘event’ and in spite of them having the rights to Michael’s music, the only way they could have made a large profit is if Michael were allowed to live and perform, make a lot of artistic work and promote it himself! With only the rights to the music and the movie, the best of their profits are behind them on Michael! They have no interest to be involved with this Tohmei individual!! When I first posted them as the most likely suspect, I was only evaluating them from the prospective of seeing their connection to Michael and if they had any interest to be behind this Tohmei individual; but, I had no idea I would have to continue these investigation so I didn’t bother to investigate closely the company AEG. I just expressed an opinion that they were tthe most likely were the force behind Tohmei, an opinion which I retracted when I realized I had to actually investigate this case! However, when I set aside the research on Michael per say and I started to research the company, and dug deeper and deeper I am quit positive (95%) that they are not the force behind Tohmei!!! If they wanted to do this they could have hired better help, as a matter of fact, they are said to have fired Tohmei, couple of days before the June 25th ‘death’! The only fault I can presently find with ‘AEG company’ is that they allowed the bodyguards, drivers, doctors hired by Tohmei, to remain on the property once they were said to have fired Tohmei, days before June 25th!! I mean if your number one man is scared to death of Tohmei, maybe you should put him and his family in a hotel room, and not send him home to the employees of the guy he is scared off! But, when your are a billion dollar supper power with a lot of ‘crap’ in your to do list, I am taking a wild guess that they could
     not imagine anyone would have the courage to attack one of their clients, like Michael!!! Brilliant people but not street smart. Look, I know people who get threatened, the first thing you do is remove them from the threat. (shelter/hotel room). But, if you talk to the best attorney’s they’ll say get a restraining order. Well a restraining order is a necessity, I absolutely agree, but the reaction of most aggressive people, when you attempt to prevent them from hurting their victims, is not to run away; but, to get even more angry and attack the person! That’s why, I always recommend the victim to take their family to a shelter, hotel room, ask for some kind of armed license protection from someone who is official! You never send a man/woman/ child who fears for their lives to the location where the attacker/ subject the victim fears can have access! Putting Michael in that vehicle and sending him home to the employees of the guy he feared to death was a naïve mistake, I see lawyers and educated people make aall the time!! More often then I would like to be right, this mistake results in the person being attacked or kids getting attacked or something of that nature. Having Tohmei, at the hospital, and Tohmei having the lack of prudence to show his face at the hospital after all that has been done to prevent him from harming Michael, all the recorded threats Michael named on tape as Tohmei being the only suspect of danger to his life and to show him as a documented threat, just shows what kind of person we’re are dealing with: a man with ‘The God’ complex, untouchable!!
     Michael hiring Tohmei to be in charge of his finances, move his money around, and hire his bodyguards and doctor and nurses, well that just shows that Michael never researched him thrilly prior to hiring him!!! I wouldn’t leave my credit card around Tohmei! As prove that I am rigtht in my assessment of Tohmei, listen to Michael’s tape made against Tohmei and in fear of death of Tohmei! Michael even accuses Tohmei of making financial decisions with his accountants and moving money around against Michael’s will. Excuse me, but I believe there is an entire wing of the legal national and international law dedicated to prevent just those type of financial transaction -against the will of the investor. Anyone breaking those laws is usually subject to charges, like Mr Madoff!! Regardless of what the investor signs, unless the court find the investor incompetent, and appoint a certain person to do the basic financial necessity transactions, the ‘financial advisor’ cannot be making financial transfers and decisions
     when the investor opposes the financial advisor or the financial advisor lacks to inform the investor of those financial moves especially when the investor demands to know, as you hear Michael say on tape, what ta heck the financial advisor is doing with his money! Michael insists to point out on the tapes that Tohmei was having meetings against behind closed doors with his accountants and bank mangers without telling him what he was intending to do in those meetings with his money and continues to accuse Tohmei of ‘moving’ his money without informing Michael and without his ‘permission’!!
     Think about it, Michael was rumored to have most off his money outside of the US! Who put the money outside of the US borders, Tohmei was his financial advisor so it’s a safe guess that he knows where the money is located!! Think about were the main sightings of Michael were seen! Dubai, UK, Miami, North Carolina, Ireland, Hungry, Russia, Mexico, Ottawa; these cities are all densely populated travel/ airport centers and banking centers! The sightings, were not all consistent after death! It was nothing, then a surf off a whole bunch of sightings and then they all stopped! If people were just making these sightings up they would have continued and they would be in irrational placesn like cemeteries, churches, clouds!!! Nope, the most credible sightings, which were not people dressed up like Michael, were reported by serious people which swear on the Bible that the man they saw was Michael, in locations such as Miami Airport, a boat unloading to a small dock, a busy airport in Ottawa, Budapest,a boat yard in New Zealand, an expensive hotel in Dubai etc.. All these reporting done by people who weren’t ridiculous but by business man, military personal, dozens of people in airports, docks security, business man, etc.. Then at the same period of time, not before the credible sightings or after the credible sightings , but parallel to the cresible sightings, a group of obvious impersonator sightings where seen I a few places; these MJ impersonators going around shaking people’s hands, waving to the crowd and making a mockery of attention as well as a bunch of psychics with ridiculous claims that Michael was alright a left and never wants to be seen again came forward with these attention grabbing statements!! Then, after all the credible sightings stopped, the crazy ridiculous friendly impersonators stopped as well and the psychics crazy claims disappeared at the same time as the credible sightings stopped!!! Now, let me ask you something, if you had to move around someone like Michael, after death, and alive,
     how would your cover any accidental people’s observations? I would just call these witnesses crazy and make some silly impersonator show up in Times Square NY to discredit the 30 people who claim that they saw Michael being runned across the airport the Miami Internationa Airport by a bunch of big guys, the people who claim to have seen Michael being pushed / wisked across the airport in Ottawa by a bunch of big guys, the people who claimed to have seen Michael being pulled of a boat in UK with a bunch of big guys, the people who claimed to have seen Michael being muscled into a limo in UK by a bounch of big guys outside of a post office!! Look, the credible sightings stopped simultaneously with the obvious ridiculous sightings!! Maybe just coincidence, but it is an interesting coincidence!! I spoke to one of the people who saw Michael at the airport in Ottawa, pretty ticked off that he thought Michael would do this to everybody! I showed him some of my research and he definitely seemed not so angry at
     Michael! I sure hope he does verify my work and finds out for himself! He was not angry, he was just in absolute owe of my work and asked me to send him as much info as I can! I have an I will continue to
     inform him but there wasn’t a speck of anger in him at my research and he only agreed with everything that I researched and said that he will analyze it all himself! I showed my work to over a dozen key people, and they all jumped on these reaserched and asked for more information, thanked me for my work and asked me to work with them, not a single person was angry or opposing my research verified public findings and almost all said that kidnapping is a very likely and distinct possibility. The work continues and can only come to halt if Michael shows up alive and is officially declared alive. Then and only then, we in the public will not dedicate time effort and resources to finding the truth!! Here’s a lesson for everybody to learn: DO NOT EVER ASSUME THE PUBLIC IS STUPID AND NEVER INSULT THE PUBLIC’S INTELLECT!! There are millions among the billions that will not let you lie to them and these is the information age. Once you said a lie, you cannot take it back, and people will always find a way
     to prove a lie to be untruthful unless it’s the truth!! Now, if Michael shows up, all this fire alarm type people will go about their lives, but these brilliant, gifted people will not stop researching, especially if someone’s life’s been taken! It’s not about Michael being a ‘God’, it’s about people who will run into a burning building to save an old lady/cat, it’s about people who will chase after a purse thief and grab him, it’s about people who choose to live their homes and in a bad economy and go to help in Haiti!!! THE PUBLIC SHOULD NEVER BE ASSUMED INCOMPETENT because in spite of most people not wanting to take a risk, there are people who live to help out others and those are among us all the time. EMT workers, nurses, business man, bakers, homeless people who collected donations for Haiti, hot dog salesman, people who are more sensitive to the needs of others other then their own, observant intelligent people, military personal, federal agents, computer programers, lawyers, cleaning women,
     analysts etc etc..those people will ask why a doctor took 1 hour to get to the front door, why the body looked like it had been moved, why a man with money and power would ‘beg’ a nutritional nurse for probafol when he use to supply hospitals in poor areas with medicines and organ donations, and we can all see and feel the pain of an 11yrs old child crying for her father, the fear in a 12yrs old boy and pity seeing a 7yrs old child in tears clutching a doll of his father. The overwhelming amount of evidence to indicate extreme faul play and criminal activity is so much, some people in this blog complain it’s too much to read! These is not entertainment folks, it’s what will determine what the ‘bad guys’ can do and get away with doing to everyone off us and out loved ones. It’s how low our standards of security and protections are allowed to compromise or lives! If these indicated foul play results in Michael coming out alive and with whatever explanation or the foul play players paying dearly through the
     justice system, any one with a ‘god’ complex will shiver with fear at the idea of any ‘god’ like law breaking ideas! If Michael were kidnapped or killed or killed later after the kidnapping and these people would get away with killing Michael, then any bad guy out in the bushes would be encouraged to do whatever he might think his muscles want to do without worrying about consequences!! Protecting Michael is protecting our own, national and international human rights and expected securities! These is not just about Michael it’s about us and the future world our children will inherit!!! Think about it, if these could have been done to Michael, what could they do to the everyday person!!!

445. carmen Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 4:43 am

     Doing some intensive research on Tohmei, really bad decision for Michael to let him have access to his finances!!! Really bad!! Think about it, Michael, is really a very intelligent man, but lacks street smarts! The connections Tohmei ” ‘financial advisor’ ” has connections that go down on roads records loose track of information or record’s cannot be trusted, with unexplained connections to strange people / weird people in places considered by other ‘very bad places’! Not high end/ just bad places!!! To have Tohmei in charge of Michael’s money, in command of his accounting and other financial assistants, in command of hiring and managing Michael’s bodyguards and the children’s doctor C. Murray and nurse Lee brought in by his team of bodyguards is like giving ‘Osama’ the key to your house, bank vault , children and medicine cabinet!!!
     I look at the powerful investors/execs. at AEG, and in my opinion they cleared with flying colors, in spite of them being first on my list, because they took such a loss in the market, those people behind AEG took an even more shocking loss from Michael’s June 25th ‘event’ and in spite of them having the rights to Michael’s music, the only way they could have made a large profit is if Michael were allowed to live and perform, make a lot of artistic work and promote it himself! With only the rights to the music and the movie, the best of their profits are behind them on Michael! They have no interest to be involved with this Tohmei individual!! When I first posted them as the most likely suspect, I was only evaluating them from the prospective of seeing their connection to Michael and if they had any interest to be behind this Tohmei individual; but, I had no idea I would have to continue these investigation so I didn’t bother to investigate closely the company AEG. I just expressed an opinion that they were tthe most likely were the force behind Tohmei, an opinion which I retracted when I realized I had to actually investigate this case! However, when I set aside the research on Michael per say and I started to research the company, and dug deeper and deeper I am quit positive (95%) that they are not the force behind Tohmei!!! If they wanted to do this they could have hired better help, as a matter of fact, they are said to have fired Tohmei, couple of days before the June 25th ‘death’! The only fault I can presently find with ‘AEG company’ is that they allowed the bodyguards, drivers, doctors hired by Tohmei, to remain on the property once they were said to have fired Tohmei, days before June 25th!! I mean if your number one man is scared to death of Tohmei, maybe you should put him and his family in a hotel room, and not send him home to the employees of the guy he is scared off! But, when your are a billion dollar supper power with a lot of ‘crap’ in your to do list, I am taking a wild guess that they could
     not imagine anyone would have the courage to attack one of their clients, like Michael!!! Brilliant people but not street smart. Look, I know people who get threatened, the first thing you do is remove them from the threat. (shelter/hotel room). But, if you talk to the best attorney’s they’ll say get a restraining order. Well a restraining order is a necessity, I absolutely agree, but the reaction of most aggressive people, when you attempt to prevent them from hurting their victims, is not to run away; but, to get even more angry and attack the person! That’s why, I always recommend the victim to take their family to a shelter, hotel room, ask for some kind of armed license protection from someone who is official! You never send a man/woman/ child who fears for their lives to the location where the attacker/ subject the victim fears can have access! Putting Michael in that vehicle and sending him home to the employees of the guy he feared to death was a naïve mistake, I see lawyers and educated people make aall the time!! More often then I would like to be right, this mistake results in the person being attacked or kids getting attacked or something of that nature. Having Tohmei, at the hospital, and Tohmei having the lack of prudence to show his face at the hospital after all that has been done to prevent him from harming Michael, all the recorded threats Michael named on tape as Tohmei being the only suspect of danger to his life and to show him as a documented threat, just shows what kind of person we’re are dealing with: a man with ‘The God’ complex, untouchable!!
     Michael hiring Tohmei to be in charge of his finances, move his money around the world, and hire his bodyguards and doctor and nurses, well that just shows that Michael never researched him thrilly prior to hiring him!!! I wouldn’t leave my credit card around Tohmei! As prove that I am rigtht in my assessment of Tohmei, listen to Michael’s tape made against Tohmei and in fear of death of Tohmei! Michael even accuses Tohmei of making financial decisions with his accountants and moving money around against Michael’s will. Excuse me, but I believe there is an entire wing of the legal national and international law dedicated to prevent just those type of financial transaction -against the will of the investor. Anyone breaking those laws is usually subject to charges, like Mr Madoff!! Regardless of what the investor signs, unless the court find the investor incompetent, and appoint a certain person to do the basic financial necessity transactions, the ‘financial advisor’ cannot be making financial transfers and decisions when the investor opposes the financial advisor or the financial advisor lacks to inform the investor of those financial moves especially when the investor demands to know, as you hear Michael say on tape, what ta heck the financial advisor is doing with his money! Michael insists to point out on the tapes that Tohmei was having meetings against behind closed doors with his accountants and bank mangers without telling him what he was intending to do in those meetings with his money and continues to accuse Tohmei of ‘moving’ his money without informing Michael and without his ‘permission’!!
     Think about it, Michael was rumored to have most off his money outside of the US! Who put the money outside of the US borders, Tohmei was his financial advisor so it’s a safe guess that he knows where the money is located!! Think about were the main sightings of Michael were seen! Dubai, UK, Miami, North Carolina, Ireland, Hungry, Russia, Mexico, Ottawa; these cities are all densely populated travel/ airport centers and banking centers! The sightings, were not all consistent after death! It was nothing, then a surf off a whole bunch of sightings and then they all stopped! If people were just making these sightings up they would have continued and they would be in irrational placesn like cemeteries, churches, clouds!!! Nope, the most credible sightings, which were not people dressed up like Michael, were reported by serious people which swear on the Bible that the man they saw was Michael, in locations such as Miami Airport, a boat unloading to a small dock, a busy airport in Ottawa, Budapest,a boat yard in New Zealand, an expensive hotel in Dubai etc.. All these reporting done by people who weren’t ridiculous but by business man, military personal, dozens of people in airports, docks security, business man, etc.. Then at the same period of time, not before the credible sightings or after the credible sightings , but parallel to the cresible sightings, a group of obvious impersonator sightings where seen I a few places; these MJ impersonators going around shaking people’s hands, waving to the crowd and making a mockery of attention as well as a bunch of psychics with ridiculous claims that Michael was alright a left and never wants to be seen again came forward with these attention grabbing statements!! Then, after all the credible sightings stopped, the crazy ridiculous friendly impersonators stopped as well and the psychics crazy claims disappeared at the same time as the credible sightings stopped!!! Now, let me ask you something, if you had to move around someone like Michael, after death, and alive,
     how would your cover any accidental people’s observations? I would just call these witnesses crazy and make some silly impersonator show up in Times Square NY to discredit the 30 people who claim that they saw Michael being runned across the airport the Miami Internationa Airport by a bunch of big guys, the people who claim to have seen Michael being pushed / wisked across the airport in Ottawa by a bunch of big guys, the people who claimed to have seen Michael being pulled of a boat in UK with a bunch of big guys, the people who claimed to have seen Michael being muscled into a limo in UK by a bounch of big guys outside of a post office!! Look, the credible sightings stopped simultaneously with the obvious ridiculous sightings!! Maybe just coincidence, but it is an interesting coincidence!! I spoke to one of the people who saw Michael at the airport in Ottawa, pretty ticked off that he thought Michael would do this to everybody! I showed him some of my research and he definitely seemed not so angry at
     Michael! I sure hope he does verify my work and finds out for himself! He was not angry, he was just in absolute owe of my work and asked me to send him as much info as I can! I have an I will continue to
     inform him but there wasn’t a speck of anger in him at my research and he only agreed with everything that I researched and said that he will analyze it all himself! I showed my work to over a dozen key people, and they all jumped on these reaserched and asked for more information, thanked me for my work and asked me to work with them, not a single person was angry or opposing my research verified public findings and almost all said that kidnapping is a very likely and distinct possibility. The work continues and can only come to halt if Michael shows up alive and is officially declared alive. Then and only then, we in the public will not dedicate time effort and resources to finding the truth!! Here’s a lesson for everybody to learn: DO NOT EVER ASSUME THE PUBLIC IS STUPID AND NEVER INSULT THE PUBLIC’S INTELLECT!! There are millions among the billions that will not let you lie to them and these is the information age. Once you said a lie, you cannot take it back, and people will always find a way
     to prove a lie to be untruthful unless it’s the truth!! Now, if Michael shows up, all this fire alarm type people will go about their lives, but these brilliant, gifted people will not stop researching, especially if someone’s life’s been taken! It’s not about Michael being a ‘God’, it’s about people who will run into a burning building to save an old lady/cat, it’s about people who will chase after a purse thief and grab him, it’s about people who choose to live their homes and in a bad economy and go to help in Haiti!!! THE PUBLIC SHOULD NEVER BE ASSUMED INCOMPETENT because in spite of most people not wanting to take a risk, there are people who live to help out others and those are among us all the time. EMT workers, nurses, business man, bakers, homeless people who collected donations for Haiti, hot dog salesman, people who are more sensitive to the needs of others other then their own, observant intelligent people, military personal, federal agents, computer programers, lawyers, cleaning women,
     analysts etc etc..those people will ask why a doctor took 1 hour to get to the front door, why the body looked like it had been moved, why a man with money and power would ‘beg’ a nutritional nurse for probafol when he use to supply hospitals in poor areas with medicines and organ donations, and we can all see and feel the pain of an 11yrs old child crying for her father, the fear in a 12yrs old boy and pity seeing a 7yrs old child in tears clutching a doll of his father. The overwhelming amount of evidence to indicate extreme faul play and criminal activity is so much, some people in this blog complain it’s too much to read! These is not entertainment folks, it’s what will determine what the ‘bad guys’ can do and get away with doing to everyone off us and out loved ones. It’s how low our standards of security and protections are allowed to compromise or lives! If these indicated foul play results in Michael coming out alive and with whatever explanation or the foul play players paying dearly through the
     justice system, any one with a ‘god’ complex will shiver with fear at the idea of any ‘god’ like law breaking ideas! If Michael were kidnapped or killed or killed later after the kidnapping and these people would get away with killing Michael, then any bad guy out in the bushes would be encouraged to do whatever he might think his muscles want to do without worrying about consequences!! Protecting Michael is protecting our own, national and international human rights and expected securities! These is not just about Michael it’s about us and the future world our children will inherit!!! Think about it, if these could have been done to Michael, what could they do to the everyday person!!!

446. angel Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 5:23 am

     John=Mark=carmen=multiple obsessive disorder lol

447. angel Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 5:27 am

     John=Mark=carmen=multiple obsessive disorder

448. zippy Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 6:15 am

     Carmen,

     Yeah, I agree. This can happen to anyone really.

449. carmen Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 6:42 am

     Zippy: as fur as my personal knowledge, there is only a tiny period of time you can keep someone under anesthesia, max 72 hours, I think, before they die, coma I am sure is a risk but from my assessment of the reported facts I think there is a better explanation that little green people from another planet got him then coma!! If Michael was in a coma he would be useful to nobody and it’s just so fur removed from a possibility I will not bother asking a medical examiner!! The first 30min before they declared him dead there was a speculation among reporters because the hospital sources said that he was not conscious! There was never any evidence pointing that he is in IV, and by now everything that could possibly be tight information has been handled with a million + slip-ups/mistakes/ contradiction etc..and not even a shred of evidence of a comma!! I guarantee you he is not in a comma!!!
     But good effort for doing the research! Feel free to email my gmail, or yahoo, but large files fit better on gmail! I’ll check it tomorrow! I appreciate the help!!

450. zippy Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 6:48 am

     Carmen,

     Sure. No problem. Just noticed what it said on the news when the newsreporter was saying right out his mouth that he was dead but the caption at the bottom said, “Michael Jackson in a coma.” ??!!!

451. Azt Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 7:57 am

     Hi zippy how are u? Do u remember what news channel that was on?

452. zippy Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 8:00 am

     Hi Azt,

     How are you? Yeah, I seen it and I have to find it again. When I do, I will post it on here.

453. Azt Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 8:12 am

     I appreciate it. Zippy!!!

454. toolsgrl Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 8:43 am

     hi again zippy :) I actually have a little bit of knowledge about a medically induced coma. When my son was a baby, he was in the hospital for many many months. He was on life support for about three months and then after that they kept him in a medically induced coma for 2 weeks. they said he would have been in too much pain to be awake so they kept him sedated and while they did, they had him on a ventilator

455. MIke Has A Message Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 8:48 pm

     I wonder if michael is in hiding and waiting to come back out because he has a message he is trying to get to us…in one of his songs he says if Martin luther King was alive it wouldnt go down like this,i had heard some where before he was supose to have a meeting with the president…this is just my opinion please dont jump at me,the goverment has done many things to us that most people dont even recognize or to blind to think that they would even do any thing to us..mabey michaels message is stop listening to all the media crap(look what they have done to him)look at iraq war there was no M.W.D and we are still there,i think he is trying to wake the world up,a hand full of people cant fight the goverment but when you start getting a lot of people waking up and so on…he has a lot of fans we are not the only ones looking into what has happend to him you start comming across other things,his message might be fight for our rights dont let the goverment take them from us look up fema camps,illuminty,inside jobs on 9/11,n.w.o all of it michael was a very very smart man im sure he new all of this,and mabey just mabey this is what he is telling us some how some way to fight for what is ours while we have a chance..dont think im off my rocker and please do not attack me like i said it just my opinion on it.Michael was very much into doing things for kids he has kids of his own mabey he wants it a safer place for his to grow up in with out this shadow goverment.they did say its big bigger then you can imagine and the best was yet to come,mabey the title to his movie was in his words THIS IS IT stick together,any one got any clues on this mabey?

456. carmen Says:
     March 2nd, 2010 at 10:45 pm

     ‘mike has a message’: I will dump on you and I will say that you mother and father did a poor job of raising you because you are an insult as a citizen and a person to have the pea size brain to dare to criticize the American government! If it wasn’t for the constant dedicated effort and untold self sacrifice that agencies such as CIA, NSA, DEA, Coast Guard, Homeland Security, Secret Service, DEA, FBI, Army, Air Force etc. this great country that we call the land of the free, the greatest achievement for humanity, would disappear of the map in a matter of couple of days!!! You never hear about the agents that die everyday protecting the America from INSANE HATEFUL RADICALS that care for no human except money and themselves!! The United States government should give it’s self a medal for being the best most dedicated most powerful proof that humanity can and is capable to being completely dedicated to the agenda of the greater good in existence of this universe!! The United States government is the most people serving,humble, intelligent, effective powerful and self sacrificing, helpful and dedicated government to the greater good and against the greatest chaotic evil/ most radical anti american governments that would do things and do things to human beings your tiny pea brain would never understand!!!
     Second: Michael often supported government forces and made donations to out American government!!!
     Third: Michael use to pay about 38% in taxes minimum on all his earnings! He is estimated to have earned about 2billion dollars through corporate America, only a $500 million estate property in US land! I don’t know what he pays for Neverland in taxes but I am sure it’s a nice chunk of change! Also, Michael sold 85 concerts in a 23K arena in 15min..they had to shut down the sales box office! He willingly and boasting accepted to perform 50concerts, about 10days spaced apart for a year contract were he was getting paid for those concerts only a $500 million check which he was definitely bringing to the US for personal expenses and a new house in LV were he intended to make it his primary residence! That $500million dollar check was about to be twice taxed and that was suppose to be only the money he intended to
     bring into US in the next year!!! Michael had every intention to make movies, make more CD’s and songs and produce other artists including his children, that is billions upon billions of dollars the Michael would bring in top the United States to be taxed, all lost the moment June 25th Michael was declared dead, by his sister, who signed her name because she got cornered by Tohmei, a lebanese financial advisor’ with a group of bodyguards with strong links to the ‘Nation of Islam’ movement in the United States!!!
     Fourth: Michael donated $365million dollars to charity, all great to show the American Spirit of Generosity and to help prevent children in impoverished countries from turning to islamic anti american radicals in order to have bread on their hands to eat and live!!! Therefore, a great loss for the American government to lose Michael Jackson!!!
     Fifth: I am gonna say this just one last time for everyone out there to hear because only a miss-informed easily manipulated out of touch with reality, weak person would say this: the illuminate were an group of scientist that opposed the vatican rule from preventing the rule of science from being exposed and practiced in the world; once the vatican (church/state) was separated out of making the law of the land and preventing scientific teachings, there was no more need for the illuminate organization and they cease to exist in the late 1800s! The illuminate were talked about again in a movie which has nothing to do with reality or any historic documented fact other then taking the name of ‘Jesus’ and creating a story that has no real facts in it at all, the greatest form of miss use and miss informing the public !! THERE IS NO ILLUMINATI and if there were any illuminate, they would want Michael to sing the verses for the vatican because he is a pop icon who’s good works, even those plentiful,
     are not known to the public, but his criticism, could be used against the vatican!!! So the illuminate, if they existed would love the idea of having Michael sing those versus!! If Michael would do a comeback and he would concentrate on humanitarian efforts, have and American detail protecting him, and a good public relation team and would work for couple of years hard he could clean up his reputation and be welcome to sing the verses! But the illuminate, if they existed which they do not, would still use past criticism against Michael and the vatican !! BUT THE ILLUMINATY DO NOT EXIST!!!!! Here’s another news flash: ‘mike has a message’ THE X FILES AREN’T REAL FILES EITHER, and ARE NOT REAL!!!

457. zippy Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 1:05 am

     Thanks Toolsgrl.

     Well, then it could just be possible if they are able to do it in a coma state temporarily.

     Carmen, Don’t be so hard on Mikey. I do have to agree with some of the things he is saying though. I thank God for being in this country I really do. Yes, this country was once one the most powerful Armed Forces in the world and one of the blessed ones. This country has given me the freedom to worship my Lord and Savior Jesus christ and I say that without shame and no regrets to anyone or to myself.

     Carmen, there may be many things that we are not aware of that MJ may really be aware of and includes you, myself, Mikey, AZT, Tools, and anyone else who have been participating on this forum.

     You may have done the research and all but we don’t know all that is going on more than we think.

     I remember watching the interview he did with him and Ed Bradley before Ed Bradley the reporter passed and MJ said out of his mouth there was a conspiracy. MJ sung they don’t care about us. Who was he talking about? Really? It wasn’t his neighbors down the street or someone on the corner. It was more to that song than just that.

     Carmen, why was JFK assassinated as well as MLK? I did a report on JFK several semesters ago. Reading it before finally doing the paper made me a bit concerned about this nation the U.S. It really did.

     It shows me that this country is heading towards socialist/communist country and a one-world order and a one world ruler and a one-world religion and yes, it is truly on its way very soon in less than a few years. If noone can’t see that, then something is wrong with them.

     This isn’t about me trying to scare anyone or putting fear in people. The same that you want many of us to be aware of this situation with Michael. We really need to be aware of everything as a whole and really do use our thinking caps.

     I am not going to say everything is Illuminati or conspiracy but I will say there are much,much, more than meets the eye and Carmen unfortunately the american public has been duped and been involuntarily under media hypnotism/sensationalism because many of us have not done our due diligence behind anything and yes it ignorance on our parts but we all have fallen in it and noone is exempted.

458. carmen Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 1:37 am

     I don’t have time to educate any one of you in what you seem to omit and ignore to allow unnecessary fears to prevent you from thanking the people you owe and we owe every human right we exercise everyday! I am here to inform you about the reality of the facts that are being used to explain Michael being declared dead on June 25th!!
     You got problems with the US government go to the hoaxeters sights, X file sight or go make a complaint to a government office; I am sure they will smile and be happy that they’re hard work gives us the freedom to say what ever ta heck anyone wants to say !!
     Here is a reality check: the day of June 25th, around Michael there wasn’t a single federal agent, or vatican or illuminate around Michael doing the explaining !! On June 25th, there was ‘Dr.’ Tohmei Tohmei, lebanese born financial advisor, who you can observe on TV and other media sources present -Tohmei also being the guy Michael said made him fear for his like- and also on June 25th there were a whole team of bodyguards hired by dr tohmei, people with links to the ‘Nation of Islam’ an organization that seriously needs money in order to continue it’s extreme efforts to convert American citizens to islam, and Dr. C. Murray, a cardiologist with an expired license and numerous leans against all his properties for malpractice judgments against him, and Dr. C. Murray being also the man brought in by the bodyguards hired by Tohmei and with links to ‘Nation of Islam’, for the children’s health! Also, Nurse Lee, was a nutritional nurse brought in by the bodyguards when Michael wanted to switch to heomeopathic
     treatment for his illness’ as well as good nutrition for the kids! Strangely, she didn’t get the job!!!!!

459. zippy Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 2:16 am

     Carmen,

     I am not and have not ignored anything that you have said. Ok. Secondly, I am in noway in fear of what is going on, just that we need to take in all this in consideration and wake up. But anyhoo. It’s all good.

     Okay, let’s us not get into another brawl about any of this because it is only going to distract all of us from what needs to be done.

     :)

460. zippy Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 3:33 am

     AZT,

     Here is one of them:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXjS6EBZ7I8

     Still looking for the other one.

461. zippy Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 3:37 am

     AZT,

     Here is another one(video/youtube).

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cpIL2ubDUU

462. marine_wife Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 3:38 am

     LMAO You’re such a b!tch Carmen. You treat everyone like sh!t. You must be a very lonely soul. I used to dispise you, now I just really feel sorry for you.

     Readers:

     As you can see another poster debunked dearest Carmen’s theory of a medical induced coma. Just another example of someone not knowing their ass from a hole in the ground.

     ((grin))

463. zippy Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 3:38 am

     Another video:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cpIL2ubDUU

464. zippy Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 3:46 am

     Azt,

     Hey, I believe this is the one where the reporter right here says he is dead but right here on the screen that he is in the coma.

     Here it goes:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91wSQP1jRbY

465. zippy Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 4:05 am

     Here’s a vid of Dick Gregory if it hadn’t been posted already:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HluEtIMI0VY

     I don’t know if any one of you posted this already if so, my apology. :)

466. zippy Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 4:31 am

     Hey, check this out Azt, carmen, and you all…….

     http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/5065141#utm_campaigne=synclickback&source=http://mjhoaxlive.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2010-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2011-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=47&medium=5065141

467. carmen Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 4:40 am

     Hey: one things for sure: Dr. C. Murray we’ll become very familiar with the inside of his ‘posterior opening of the elementary canal’ in 4 years of the federal prison system and wait until those 4 years will turn to 25yrs to life, wow, by the time he we’ll come out of prison, he wasn’t be shopping around to make a reality TV show of like he was before he got charged, he’ll be selling books on baking cookie and the masculine satisfaction!!! We just need to make sure everybody knows it was a group effort and not just Dr. C. Murray! The bad guys better pray to whatever they pray to that Michael be alive and well enough to save their schooling of the area well taught in the federal prison system, also known as the satisfaction of the ‘posterior opening of the elementary canal’!
     You know: here’s another wild idea, cursing me will not change the fact that there were 5 moving trucks, Tohmei’s team of bodyguards and various family members and strangers on the scene from thursday June 25th, Friday June 26th, Saturday June 27th. The area was declared a crime scene and evidence was collected at the house after the area was declared a crime scene, evidence to prove Michael was the jet around the world/ supply medicine and organ donations to different hospitals around the world multimillionaire, who went and ‘begged’ nurse Lee over and over for probafol. See, because he can supply organs donations and medicine’s to hospitals around the world and donate $365millions to help children in impoverished countries but he cannot get any probafol, so he head to ‘beg’ a nutritional nurse, that has no access to anything with probafol, whom Michael requested to improve his nutritional habits(according to her statements) and begged her in her only two visits to Michael’s house,
     both visits and introduction set up by Michael’s bodyguards hired by Tohmei, had to go ‘begging’ nurse Lee for probafol! Wow, what an addict he was so addicted to probafol, he did it so often that he even never got any reviving equipment, in spite that reviving patients on probafol is required almost every single time!!!! Wow and of all the nurses and doctors and anesthesiologists in the world, he had to ask Dr. C. Murray, who has no training in anesthesia, and is a cardiologist with an expired license brought in by the bodyguards hired by Tohmei to administer probafol with no reviving equipment!!! Here’s the eve sweeter question, how ta heck did Dr. C. Murray manage to administer child CPR on a Michael before he claims to have called the security to call 911 when he was on the phone making 3personal phone calls according to investigators, phone calls that were not anywhere to get Michael help or to 911 or anything to do with getting any help for Michael?
     How ta heck did it take Dr. C. Murray 1hour top find security at the gate to get the address so he can call 911, and why is it that dozens of eye witness sources at the morgue and hospital reported description of the body and prosthetics missing of the body which do not match medical records kept by Michael’s doctors??? I don’t know who you people are but the more you throw these evidence on ridiculous unsubstantiated claims, the easier it is for me to educate the public on the evidence!! Swearing does not cause the public to ignore the evidence! Call me anything you want, you cannot change the reported facts and the obvious common sense theories that give room for Dr. C. Murray and his bodies to become very familiarized with the ‘opening of their posterior elementary canal’ unless Michael pops up with some explanation!!! Cursing at me doesn’t do a thing!!! Plus, what’ta heck is the obsession with ‘elementary canal’ cursing in here? It seems to me that some people have a real interest in that body area?!?!
     I am a straight female, I like really powerful successful intelligent man and Thank God, I have the admiration of more then one of those man! I don’t sleep around, but please stop being worried about my relationships and dating interests, I really have a great personal life and I love it, I am not lonely, and I am still in good terms with everyone in my past relationships/friendships/ acquaintances etc.. Really, I am also fertile and Dr. C. Murray services are not required for anything in my life! Thank you for the concern, I have three successful careers, do date, maintain a healthy social life and happily gather evidence and research this case with time to spare!! My brain works always!! Thank you for the concern but I am really as healthy as a horse and I have a great grand mother that lived over 103 yrs and died of a stoke in her sleep! I maintain a good healthy weight, am very clean and not so bad looking! No help needed in the dating department and I sleep like a baby! Have no allergies either!

468. zippy Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 4:51 am

     Carmen,

     I don’t know if you got a chance to see some of the video links I just posted a few moments ago. I also posted them to AZT. But one of them is the one I mentioned to you via email and here in regards to the coma/death. but here are others with Dick Gregory and now I just posted the one from the L.A. Civil Rights Association.

469. carmen Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 5:09 am

     The evidence was collected 4 days after June 25th, after those 5 moving trucks, bodyguards, family, truck drivers ans associates entered and did what ever they went to do without any law enforcement supervision! No matter what you say, the 5 moving trucks recorded by dozens of news stations and SUVs and other people will not magically disappear of recorded and broadcaster news stations all over the world! The police did declare the area a crime scene 4 days later! All those people were scene before and guess what I am sure those trucks and people scene entering the gates also entered the house as well!

470. zippy Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 5:11 am

     Huh? Are you talking to me or someone else? I just replied by stating that I left links to the videos that I included and for AZT.

471. carmen Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 6:06 am

     There is no real evidence or circumstantial evidence to show any indication of a coma of any type in the Michael Jackson June 25th anywhere at all, other then the reporter’s understandable confusion in between 12:21pm and 2:30pm as to the state of the body brought into the ER center! It was 2 hours nobody knew what was happening in that ER room. Published sources documented the family, Tohmei, bodyguards, were on the scene, the fire alarm was pulled and personal evacuated, Dr. C. Murray did disappear from ER running out and not reachable by any means for hours, claiming later he went to get a lawyer, but I bet you there is no prove of him contacting any lawyer especially since his phone was turned off and lawyer has come forward with any evidence C. Murray contacted, and for some unknown reason, the Tohmei’s employees, with him on the observed at the hospital, must have been on some huge hurry to get the body to the morgue cause they badly needed the sister to sign the ER temporary death certificate.
     There is however a tone of evidence Michael is walking and not walking freely and you know what, not a single stinkn’ illuminate, alien sources, federal X file agent, or any other type of dubious creator!! My question, why were they in such a hurry to make the sister sign the ER certificate, and the sister signed her name not anybody else name, her name in large loose handwriting, why couldn’t they wait for a doctor to sign the ER death certificate?? Why not leave the body overnight at the hospital, what was the hurry that they had to have the body discharged to the morgue???? Was the real michael the family observed warm to the touch at 2:30pm gonna wake up??? What’s the hurry??? If Michael was dead, why not wait for the doctors to sign the ER death certificate? Why Murray cannot produce any evidence of his whereabouts after he ran out of ER and was unreachable for hours???? Where did C. Murray go for days after the June 25th tiny contact and disappear and was unreachable for days and nobody can account
     for his whereabouts with evidence ??? Where did he go??? Which lawyer did he contact and what time and from who’s phone because his phone was turned off! Hey, show me a single illuminate around Michael!!! I can show you Tohmei, 5 trucks, tapes of Michael made by Michael and his associate in fear of Tohmei, Tohmei’s team and a hole bunch of explanation for killing a man in his prime that a insult the intelligence and competence of everyone with any common sense judgment in their head and if I only pour all this verifiable evidence I get complaints it’s too much to read!! I say it’s too much to ignore and not a single thread of evidence of illuminate, or any evidence to back up the confused reports stating while Michael was in the hospital that he might be in a comma but they(reporters) were waiting for official confirmation which came from Jermain with Tohmei standing at his side at the hospital!

472. zippy Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 6:11 am

     Ok, I never said the illuminati was there, Carmen. I am saying they do exist. They may not have involved themselves in this. I do agree that there is evident that the crime scene was tampered with so I don’t ignore that and the movers truck which I did see on the video. Most definitely something is going on. I just believe also there is corruption in the government as well as in law enforcement.

473. marine_wife Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 7:17 am

     You’re exactly right zippy! You’ve been a blessing to this conversation. I promise you that my husband and others protect your first amendment right every single day. What the illuminate does exactly - we don’t know for sure. Reading on the internet about the group is only reading what they want us to know. Unless you’re affiliated with the illuminate.. You can’t know for sure. The internet is all info what people WANT you to know. Maybe some of these posters are directly affiliated with them since they know so much (lol). I think you add a lot on here and I appreciate your efforts. Your kindness really shows what kind of a true person that you are. And I can tell you this: we do have a corrupt government. More goes on then people think. But people continue to walk in ignorance looking through their rose colored goggles. I can tell you first hand the corrupt crap that goes on that the ignorant part of the public have no idea. I live a lot of the bs every single day. I promise the ignorant people that government and official personel only tell you what they want you to know. So you’ve hit the nail on the head. My scientific proof some may ask is my 20 years directly affiliated with the government. My husband has a secret clearance I can tell you that he says “if you really know what goes on in our government it will scare the s**t out of you”. And these people that think they know it all are just either in denial or think they know everything. There is no help for people that can’t look beyond their blinders. Brainwashed, if you will. Not this woman. I’ve lived the corrupt bs. I enjoy your posts zippy. Keep em coming :). Have a good night.

474. marine_wife Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 7:20 am

     “Just because it’s in writing, doesn’t mean it’s the gospel” - Michael Jackson

475. Azt Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 8:14 am

     Hey zippy thank you I saw it and it is bazaar!!!

476. Azt Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 8:17 am

     Hey zippy thank you I saw it it’s bazzar!!!

477. MIke Has A Message Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 10:10 am

     Carmen,
     you are a insane bitch your self ,i didnt say any thing against the people fighting for us coast gaurds marines or other wise but u need to get your head out your a$$ and relize your goverment is corupt!!!!!LIke i said MABEY that was his message I forgot you my dear have all the f!cking truth and every one should believe you???dont come off to me like that i said in my statement not to attack me and i ment that SH!T i have every right to post here as you do….do not respond back to this and we dont have to discuss any thing futher but i will comment to other posters here!!!!
     marine wife shake your husband hand for me and tell him thank you for what he does for this country please dont think any thing was directed towards him i lost my brother in the war i would never disprect any one only F!ckin carmen that know every thing:)also carmen dont talk of my mom and dad either for my dad was in the war and has passed and so has my mother leave them out this u a$$ hole

478. MIke Has A Message Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 10:37 am

     Nation of Islam’ movement in the United States!!!

     Hmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!another reason the goverment has problems close our borders do something about our ports and quit letting this kind of shit happen…..illuminty does exist,wish they would snatch ur ass up!!!!and stop trying to make your self sound so f!ucking educated no one cares….you slam every one on here about any thing they say,and to your followers dont come at me either backin this insane b!tch cause youll get what she got TOLD THE F!CK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     cant wait till mike comes back and says BAM carmen you dumb F!ck!!!!!now come again!!!!

479. MIke Has A Message Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 11:04 am

     Thanks zippy,i didnt meen to get off the subject about michael missing …i was just wondering if he wanted to wake us up and mabey there was more to it then we know,not meening that the illuminty had him..more of him wanting us to know something,his words in his songs are so powerfull that makes you think there is a message in them all,i believe he is alive and believe he is coming back,but for him to fake this it has to be something really BIG for him to do this to his fans.
     CARMEN SHUT UP THAT WAS FOR ZIPPY NOT YOU!!!!!

480. MIke Has A Message Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 11:11 am

     Marine-wife
     im sorry that you have to live that B.s every day i cant imagine what you go threw and im sure your husband knows what he is talking about when he says there is things that would scare the hell out of you..but people like you husband i do give respect to,my thing was about the goverment and they do do things behind our back mabey every one else will wake up and know this,as i said before thank your husband for us we appreciate him.

481. Azt Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 12:03 pm

     Ok back to Michael when he arrived to the hospital the whole building had to be evacuated because of fire alarm or something what about the other patients and the Drs and nurses who should be around them? I mean I have never heared a hospital staff being evacuated anybody has any answer?

482. carmen Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 3:08 pm

     The hospital was ordered evacuated after the fire alarm was pulled and the non essential stuff and moving patients are being asked to leave, essential stuff and emergency procedures are always in place and permitted to stay to take care of the bedridden patients. The procedures vary from state to state, hospital to hospital but essential stuff is always usually at their desks, or checking on critical patients! Michael’s bodyguards and entourage would be considered essential paid personal protection chosen by the patient and therefore would most likely not be asked to step outside. This is my recollection of hospital procedure; but usually, before the security orders non essential personal evacuated, they usually check to see if there is an actual fire or emergency. This may vary from hospital to hospital to state to state, to country to country. But there would be patients would most likely not be in the same room as a unconscious / deceased patient! Usually when they the EMT brings in an serious emergency
     case, where a life is in jeopardy, not just a broken leg, they put that patient in a room by himself, usually with more then one bad and usually specious room, usually with curtains for privacy of the injured/dead person so that if the door opens no passer by can see the suffering patient, usually the family and associates and friends etc., are taken to a waiting room or somewhat removed from the front door of the actual ER room! I volunteered in more then one hospital ER room in my teens and 20s! With the non essential stuff and walking patients evacuated, the hallways would be much emptier, no patients would be in the hallway, and I am sure the family wanted to stay too, and yes the bodyguards would have a lot more room and privacy to do talk freely to the family, to prevent anyone from hearing any screaming, I am sure getting stuck with a needle in the neck vein has to hurt, or do anything else they would want to do with a lot less eyes on them!!! As a matter of fact, some hospitals require the head nurse not to leave the post regardless because someone has to keep in charge of her post, and most other essential personal would check on other critical patients and therefore would not be roaming the hallways but would be sitting by the critical patients!!! There would only be an occasional security officer passing once in a while through each hallway and if nothing incredibly unnatural would happened the police and fire department would only check for a fire! What ever conversations, slight screaming, etc. etc. that would be noticed with normal patients/visitors/ nurses/ doctors/ cleaning crew/ volunteers etc..would not be noticeable to security passing down the hallways, head nurse at her station or normal camera monitoring! With non essential personal and walking patients out of the way would be more privacy for Tohmei the bodyguards and the family. The evacuation was recorded by dozen’s of media cameras, at one point before the announcement, when everyone was still holding their breath, you can observe a
     large crowd, dozens or more hospital stuff in hospital gowns out in the parking lot!! The media were shocked at the irony of the fire alarm being pulled at the time they were suppose to be attempting to revive Michael, and there was no record of an actual fire! The topic is still making journalists eyes pop out of their head and hold their breath!

483. toolsgrl Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 6:46 pm

     to mikes has a message: have you ever checked out this website?
     http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/index.php

     It has a lot of interesting people and topics, and you can be heard there. A lot of people doing a lot of research and digging. They aren’t out to bash anyone! Just thought you might like to check it out if you haven’t already :) Have a good day

484. mike has a message Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 7:05 pm

     Thank toolsgrl,
     I sure will go check it out,thanks for letting me know about it.If you find any more send it my way please.
     take care and have a nice day

485. toolsgrl Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 7:11 pm

     your welcome :) and if you scroll back up to comment 84 and on, marines_wife has posted many interesting sites to check out.

486. mike has a message Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 8:26 pm

     Toolsgrl,
     yes i have went threw marine-wifes comments and what site she has up there,very intresting to me.Like i said mine was just my opinoin i wasnt trying to get any one else to follow that just wanted to know if any one else might have the same clues,i like to never just rule on one thing because none of know exactly what has happend here…and i believe its big for him to fake his own death.
     thanks again
     have a great day(oh checked the site out you sent me just skimmed threw it a bit for now looks good though.

487. marine_wife Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 8:52 pm

     Mike (has a message) - Thank you very much. My husband will very much appreciate your generosity. He is actually in Haiti at the moment. He left on Feb 16th. It is times like this that those kind of words make him feel like being away from me and our 3 kids is worth while. I will tell you this; just being gone sitting on the USS Bataan off the coast of Haiti - there is corrupt bullsh!t going on. For ANYONE to be stupid and uneducated about our government just p!sses me off. The pick up a newspaper or turn on CNN to read the latest of what is going on with our foreign affairs and they believe it. They tell you what they WANT YOU TO KNOW. For “ANYONE” to be so damn stupid to believe the people who lie to us the most, is just ridiculous. I don’t need any doggone scientific facts to back my statements up. And for ANYONE to think that the government or state officials wouldn’t have anything to do with this is just stupid.

     I’ve said it before… and I suppose I’ll say it again… (Lord knows another poster on this site repeats themselves every single post - I don’t want to be that way)… there is this thing called witness protection program. People whos life is in danger enter this GOVERNMENT program every single day. They can get away with just “falling off the face of the planet”. Michael’s life was in jeopardy, no doubt about it. But to enter MJ in a program such as that is impossible. I mean, the most famous man in the world can’t just “disappear” (LMAO). As if no one will notice, right??! So MY PERSONAL OPINION AND THEORY (it’s great to have those rights as an American) is that they had to “kill off” Michael Joseph Jackson - so he could go in to the witness protection program without the man just simply disappearing. I’m sure state officials are working hard to get these guys who are after Michael.

     And I’m sure Michael does have a message for all of us. I’m sure we will all figure it out sooner rather than later.

     Michael was always trying to get messages across to the people. Everything he would say would be picked apart, twistes, turned, manipulated, and taken out of context. Extreme cases call for extreme measures.

     Michael is a man of disguise. Michael is a mystery man. Michael is a genius. And no-one… NO-ONE should ever under estimate Michael’s intelligence or capabilities. Michael has power. Michael has connections all over this planet. Don’t think this man can’t pull of a death hoax. Faking a death is easier than people think. You really believe people don’t do this all the time? “PEOPLE” need to do their research and see just exactly how many times this has been done… it’ll blow your mind. And if just any “Jo Blow” can do it, Michael sure the hell can!

     There were numerous writings in his diary that was found. “PEOPLE” need to do THEIR research.

     And the one aggressive nasty poster on this site has made many points…. but EVERY SINGLE point could also point to a death hoax! The only thing that poster hasn’t given credit to is the all the Jackson family slipups. I know I’m not too stupid to know a slip up from an “easily manipulated Jermanine Jackson”. That just doesn’t make an ounce of sense to me. Whether you’re easily manipulated or not, you’re not gonna slipup as many times as that man alone has (not including numerous other people).

     Mike (has a message) - Don’t trust or believe a person that claims that they’ve quit their job to search for Michael Jackson then later claims they hold down three jobs. Every single statement from that poster is just contradiction after contradiction after contradiction. And I’m truly surprised that you haven’t been accused of being paid to have kidnapped MJ… and helping with illusion (LMAO). Or better yet Mike (has a msg) - I’m surprised that you saying Mike has a message to us hasn’t put his life in more danger. Just becareful - because another poster on here “can track you down” ((grin)).

     I will close this novel by saying - yes this is an illusion. This is an illusion of a death hoax. And I’m not scared of a stupid b!tch that thinks she can change my mind!!!!

     Ya’ll have a good day. It’s gonna be a busy one for me

488. marine_wife Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 9:02 pm

     Sorry, I meant to say my husband left Jan 16th … - my days are all running together =`(

489. mike has a message Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 9:18 pm

     Marine-wife,
     I think thye like to interview jermaine…he tells it all :)
     i would never under estimate michael i know if any one could ever pull it off this good it would be him,he was very good at any thing he did and im sure it was very well planned out,as for the news medias and the goverment nothing would never suprise me with them i have done a lot of research on the goverment:)and ran into some very frightning things but now it would even stun me cause i know what they are about…sorry to hear your hubby is away from ya,but glad to hear he is helping them poor people out over there(you know fema held out on helping our katrina victims for a long time getting aid to them…but hey our goverment wouldnt do that to none of us,they should have help in there right away,certain some one wouldnt be so proud of there goverment if she was living there when that hit and fema held out on them then now would she.so sorry so long nice talkin to ya have a good day.

490. marine_wife Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 9:38 pm

     I want you to know I never was addressing you in my long post. I know your beliefs and that wasn’t an attack towards you. Just another ignorant blinded soul on here! =)

491. marine_wife Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 9:41 pm

     Oh, and Mike (has a msg) - The link that toolsgrl gave you is a great link (which I’m sure you have figured that already) - And they won’t bash you. They will tell you their opinion and will take your opinion with open arms. There isn’t a topic undiscussed there. I will provide you some more links. I know I’ve posted links before - but you might be unaware of the ones I’m talking about. http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/michael_jackson/x17_xclusive_joe_jackson_talks.php (I particularly like that link because Joe Jackson’s publicist speaks in MJ in the present - check it out) http://annatomyofahoax.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/the-death-certificate-information-recap/ http://derekclontz.com/2009/07/07/michael-jackson-death-hoax-diary-found-final-proofm-hes-still-alive/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQN-mYj4uS4&feature=channel (Check this out. This is a quite odd message from Michael. It played after the This Is It movie while in theaters!!)

492. marine_wife Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 9:43 pm

     http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=PianoGames (This young man is VERY intelligent and provides visual and well as verbal evidence. This is not a case of diarrhea of the mouth) http://www.youtube.com/user/JonellStarTV?blend=2&ob=1 (This person will also provide you some great information) http://mjkit.forumotion.net/ http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/

493. marine_wife Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 9:44 pm

     http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/showbiz/2009/09/11/dcl.janet.interview.harpers.cnn.html (That link is Janet Jackson saying she was on set filming Tyler Perry’s movie when she got the news of Michael) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p5rDzV7iPk (But here she claims it was just another day in her NY apartment when she found out. So, which is it? Would you remember were you were when you found out brother passed away?? I would!!!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eJmaQQ5rWE (Jermaine says this is not it. The best is yet to come. This is not the final curtain call) If you want more Mike has a msg, I can post more for you. I know I’ve posted them before, I’m just trying to save you the time of going through all the novels another poster has posted ;-) You have a wonderful day =)

494. marine_wife Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 9:52 pm

     Oh, and Mike has a msg, there are still Katrina victims homeless and living in temporary shelter. Houses still water damaged and infested with black mold. Victims in LA still have not gotten help with funding. Millions and millions of dollars have not been provided to help those families, in our own country! These humanitarian efforts are exaggerated to get a few more ribbons on their uniform and some fake heroric internation humanitarian effort medals to hang on their wall. I’m not saying NOT to help other countries… but we have homeless Americans (alot of Katrina victims), hungry children, uninsured senior citizens (medicare program is a joke), uninsured children and families, and the list goes on. There still needs to be much cleanup in New Orleans alone. Do you think these people are getting the full aid that our country should be providing them? Nope. Just a random tangent. Sorry. But I can tell you first hand… our government likes well dressed uniforms with stacks of ribbons above their breast pocket. And there is not a single soul on this website that can argue with me about that! I’m gonna be running errands all day… I will check your posts later.

495. marine_wife Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 9:55 pm

     That was supposed to say “international” sorry I’m in a hurry

496. carmen Says:
     March 3rd, 2010 at 11:03 pm

     My common sense theory is based solely on recorded observations, testimony used in trial and police records, testimony backed and reported by officials, documents, official and unofficial verified/backed observations reported and backed by respectable media which stayed consistent through out the month before the autopsy reports, personal testimony, interviews, eye witness accounts and all public verifiable research backed up by solid evidence to be the public explanations for what happened to Michael Joseph Jackson!!! My research on the donations and charity work of Michael Joseph Jackson is officially documented and scientifically backed by every known official source and the only truth outside that research is that Michael Joseph Jackson also made a lot of other generous donations to projects and people who needed help and that was kept of record for private reasons!! The official scientific charity donations recorded from Mr Michael Joseph Jackson is $365million dollars, not including the untold medical
     procedure and supplies given to hospitals all around the world from Europe to Africa to Asia to North America! His work included saving near death people’s lives all over the world, mostly he helped hungry unvarnished children in third world counties, places such as India, most of South and Central Africa, East Europe, and the people whom he helped number in the millions, people in fur off forgotten places who are needing help to stay alive, people who have no internet or schooling of any kind, no running water, no access to medicine and do die from colds and minor infection, people who need to be aware of the American generosity, before any radical/fanatic sources corrupt their minds and souls! To those innocent people fighting to stay alive Michael brought food, medicine, schools, teachers, live saving medical treatments expensive even by our standards, homes in stead of huts, Michael Joseph Jackson dragged those people from the mouth of the grave into 21st century from of places most people don’t even know exist until some radical fanatic kid decides to do something stupid and dangerous because he don’t know who we are from people like Michael Joseph Jackson but he were spoken too only by radical fanatics ! Those are the kids that either say no or yes to dangerous indoctrination, the starving uneducated kids! Michael Joseph Jackson putting food in their belly and medicines for the kids and roofs over their heads and building schools with internet and TV connections in places that have just recently found out about electricity, that means those kids and people are informed and education and kindness is the number one way to prevent radicalism and public brain washing! That $365million dollars collected by the most impoverished off the world educated hundreds of millions of people from being ignorant of the great people we are as Americans to being educated and appreciative of the developed free educated world and therefore made it much harder to indoctinate with fanatic beleives those educated people
     Michael Jseph Jackson helped!

     We can go to war to prevent terrorism, or we can let people like Michael Joseph Jackson do what he has done for the past 20yrs and still had about 20yrs left in him and he was bringing up his kids to fallow in daddy’s footsteps!

497. carmen Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 4:43 am

     Look, the pain that Michael’s kids are suffering proves beyond any reasonable doubt that whatever happened to Michael on June 25th, he had no prior knowledge; because he would NEVER allow his kids to be traumatized and that trauma displayed on TV!! What could have been used to get him to agree to fake his death head to be done by force. Weather, threat, or injections it had to be a deadly force to make him agree to fake his death which he had no time to prepare his little kids to endure without pain and fear!!
     You know, there are injections that will make you say ‘yes’ to anything, it’s still force!
     Check this Link!

     Youtube!

     Michael Jackson Alive part 2 (20 proof)

     Copy the link into you tube and it will take you their

     Note1: it is good to send people to other people’s sited but if you copy their work it could be problematic unless you have their permission.
     Note2: I obviously don’t agree with every part of their theories, BUT THE EVIDENCE REASERCH CANNOT BE DISPUTED BECAUSE IT IS COURT DOCUMENTED TRUTH!
     Note3: it injecting someone with drugs or giving someone drugs to make then say ‘yes’ to anything is often prosecuted in cases of date rape .
     Note4: when michael claimed to have been under the influence of drugs, he is using that excuse to escape a performance contract, which required him to perform when he was ill and the promoter refused to adjust the dates to after Michael’s physical recovery! The promoter in those concerts was completely pig headed and blind to Michael’s flaring medical needs due to his lupus, stress from trials, broken back etc. And insisted Michael can either show up sick and perform or will have to pay him millions of dollars in damages! It is a tactic lawyers often use, to get someone out of an absurd contract without exposing the Michael’s medical history to the jury and paparazzi! When Michael testified that he might have been under the influence of drugs when he signed those documents he is perfectly lucid and when he testified in court and tried to pretend that he was rendered incompetent by the drugs, he managed to be perfectly competent to even make fun of the cross examining lawyer and to catch him in his own
     words and the cross examiner just ended up looking stupid! That is very perfectly legally competent proof that in spite of pretending he was under the influence of drugs on the stand, he even outwitted the cross examiner shos and proves he was not under the influence of drugs on the stand when he pretended he was under the influence of drugs. He even got in the last word punch line!

498. carmen Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 5:05 am

     Look, the pain that Michael’s kids are suffering proves beyond any reasonable doubt that whatever happened to Michael on June 25th, he had no prior knowledge; because he would NEVER allow his kids to be traumatized and that trauma displayed on TV!! What could have been used to get him to agree to fake his death head to be done by force. Weather, threat, or injections it had to be a deadly force to make him agree to fake his death which he had no time to prepare his little kids to endure without pain and fear!!
     You know, there are injections that will make you say ‘yes’ to anything, it’s still force!
     Check this Link!

     Youtube!

     Michael Jackson Alive part 2 (20 proof)

     Copy the link into you tube and it will take you their

     Note1: it is good to send people to other people’s sited but if you copy their work it could be problematic unless you have their permission.
     Note2: I obviously don’t agree with every part of their theories, BUT THE EVIDENCE REASERCH CANNOT BE DISPUTED BECAUSE IT IS COURT DOCUMENTED TRUTH!
     Note3: Injecting someone with drugs or giving someone drugs to make then say ‘yes’ to anything is often prosecuted in cases of date rape. And is against the law and considered a form of force !!
     Note4: When michael claimed to have been under the influence of drugs, he is using that excuse to escape a performance contract, which required him to perform when he was ill and the promoter refused to adjust the dates to after Michael’s physical recovery! The promoter in those concerts was completely pig headed and blind to Michael’s flaring medical needs due to his lupus, stress from trials, broken back etc. And insisted Michael can either show up sick and perform or will have to pay him millions of dollars in damages! It is a tactic lawyers often use, to get someone out of an absurd contract without exposing the Michael’s medical history to the jury and paparazzi! When Michael testified that he might have been under the influence of drugs when he signed those documents he is perfectly lucid and when he testified in court and tried to pretend that he was rendered incompetent by the drugs, he managed to be perfectly competent to even make fun of the cross examining lawyer and to catch him in his own
     words and the cross examiner just ended up looking stupid! That is very perfectly legally competent proof that in spite of pretending he was under the influence of drugs on the stand, he even outwitted the cross examiner shows and proves he was not under the influence of drugs on the stand when he pretended he was under the influence of drugs. He even got in the last word punch line!
     Note5: Michael agreed happily to do the 50 shows, spaced about 10 days apart, asked for a house in UK, horses for the kids and made it a point that the condition of these 50 shows is if he gets to supervise and approve every detail from the lighting to the dancers to the props and scenery, Michael even edited the stage decorum and made sure that every detail was according to his precise liking and made an effort to get out of bed and go to work every rehearsal for 3 month and constantly correct and revue everything that he did not agree and from other people’s accounts he didn’t ask for what he wanted he told people what he wanted because he said he’s been on stage for 40yrs.. Even the video of the movie was recorded at Michael’s request because he was so anal about every detail he wanted to take the tape home and review it and would come up with editing the next rehearsal or in the hours of meetings he volunteered and called people to meet with him about those 50shows. He also often seemed in complete happy joyful surprise that he the people had to shut down the sales tickets 15min. after sales started! He showed his continued interest in music by asking to see a house he liked to buy and requested a large recording studio to be build in this house in LV he intended make his permanent residence.
     Note6: Jermain and the rest of the performers of Jackson 5 had plans to have a concert before the 02 concerts were signed; but, the AEG concerts were just a really sweet deal for everyone even, Michael could not pass up, not to mention working with a promoter that powerful is just a plus that would have been stupid to pass up; the Jackson 5 concerts were postponed until after the 02 year long performances!! I am sure it was a lot of work, but Michael was dancing in his doctor’s office on the Monday before the Thursday he was declared ‘dead’ by his sister, and did was rumored to have said to more then one person that ‘this is as happy as he had ever been’! That does not sound drugged up to me! In the days before June 25th, Michael his reconstructive surgent for the injectable fillers in nose cartilage not prosthetic attachment, went shopping for art, went shopping for jewelry, seen his personal trainer, had dinner with his mother and family, etc..sounds pretty healthy to me!!!

499. marine_wife Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 7:34 am

     Ummmmmm Mrs. Know It All - If I copy a link that has their original name on there then there is not copyright infridgment. Learn your laws Miss Libel.

     Secondly… WE don’t need YOU telling us what donations MJ made through out the years. He still hold the guiness book of world records for donation amount a year. I didn’t become interested in him or a fan after his “death” unlike you. Even two year olds around the world know what songs Michael Jackson sings. So, we, the fans, don’t need YOU telling us what he has done or not done. WE aren’t interested in Michael SINCE HIS “DEATH”. Sooooooooooooooo get over yourself…………. and learn your laws you maniac

500. marine_wife Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 7:38 am

     You know ignorant one, everyone here has posted links except you. And you want to pick ME to f**k with? Get over it b!tch. You can’t even begin to intimidate me. Ride azt’s ass while you’re at it. She’s posted links too. You dumb ass. If you would have treated me with respect from the get go - I would be open to your dumb ass comments. You picked the wrong one to ride. If you’re gonna ride my ass, atleast pull my hair. c*nt.

501. marine_wife Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 7:51 am

     You’re trying to tell me a false law of directing someone to a freakin youtube video… yet you can accuse ME of kidnapping Michael and publicly declaring Thome Thome of kidnapping someone? His ass should snatch you up while he’s at because you make not a single ounce of logical sense. You hold down 3 jobs yet you quit your job to hunt down MJ. You constantly repeat the same 3 statements over and over again. You don’t even know a single Michael Jackson song, and you didn’t even become interested in him since he “died”. So you are the biggest hypocrite in the universe. You can’t even keep up with your multiple personalities. Get off my ass because you only have one butt buddy on your side.

502. mike has a message Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 8:28 am

     I think you took the words right out of my mouth,thy6e could help the american people…there are so many homeless vets still walking the street from the viet nam war…but dont dare think they goverment had any thing to do with that either right???the aid and money they send to other countries we should have shelters paid in full for these men and women that fought for this country..not to even mention the ones that are in other parts of the countries now helping out with families back here that could even use some help.I my self think that is a bunch os bullshit,help your own home land just like you help others.BUt some people think this still dont happend(blind siders):)

503. carmen Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 8:40 am

     Marine_wife, non of your posts do anything but speak like homosexual sailor! Nothing to do with any evidence review so why are you so against my review of documented research. The you tube site in comment 499 discusses evidence entered in court’s files and I am only discussing and the actual details of different cases pertaining to the evidence collected in this case. Has nothing to do with sex! Plus I asked you marien_wife/tollsgrll/mo not to read my comments!so no need to respond and talk about anal sex! Shish !!!

504. marine_wife Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 8:44 am

     Wasn’t it YOU Carmen that told someone they were bent over a table like a whore? Hypcocrite. LMFAO

505. marine_wife Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 8:45 am

     Wasn’t it YOU Carmen that said a poster was bent over a table like a whore? LMFAO Hypocrite

506. toolsgrl Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 8:46 am

     Carmen, i will say this to you ONE time….. Quit bringing my name up.. I have not spoken to you at all so please, keep me out of your words.. got it,,, or do you need a little help in the understanding department. if you have a problem with me, not marines_wife, then tell me. Don’t start your rambling about me to someone else you have a problem with!

507. marine_wife Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 8:50 am

     Here you go CARMEN. Didn’t YOU say this you freakO?? :

     As for you ‘angel’, to ignore all those differences and all the overwhelming evidence, well that means somebody’s got you bend over a table, aka, you must be someone’s ‘whore’, NOT BRIAN OXMAN!!!

     ————————

     Just me discrediting you. Keep talking, I enjoy your contradictions. It shows how UNCREDIBABLE you are LMAO…..

     Posters:

     see what I mean????!!!! Don’t listen to this nutcase.

508. mike has a message Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 8:57 am

     I really didnt see mikes kids acting like they was terrorized or any thing,paris shed tears giving her speech,seen no real reaction in prince,even at the awards..the funeral looked staged to me i looked at a few videos and paris is fumbling around with the service paper still no reaction in princes face..not even joe or katherine looked as if thye shed a tear.marlon got choked up giving his speech but then quickly went on to tell a story and boom he was fine latya looks as if she had to bite her lip from keep from cracking a smile..paris before giving her speech is fumbling with her purse her tissue looks nervous mabey from being up there in front of millions of people but terrorized or grieve no sorry dont see it,i still think he staged his death to send a message and even in his movie there is a part where he says we have 4 years to get this together?that would be 2012,he wants us to take care of our world make it a better place.before it is to late.and i could be wrong here but does any one have a video or any thing that i can look at the day of the funeral where any of the jacksons was crying?mabey i missed it,if u have it please post for i can see it.

     thanks for sending links marine wife wow u have a lot more hehe i will have to check them all out.

509. marine_wife Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 9:08 am

     Thanks “mike”….. I really like you

     And “mike” I promise you I’m not “mo” or “toolsgrl”.

     Please don’t run off here like everyone else. I totally appreciate your personality =)

510. mike has a message Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 9:20 am

     LOL,thanks…
     I like you also…
     Im here to stay,i dont run off,i like to investigate things about michael im not ruling any thing out,like i said he IS a very very bright person,i just cant get a grip on him letting murry put him under if he really fear his life he would have been helpless,hopefully we will find out soon.
     have a nice day

511. carmen Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 11:55 am

     Anyone interested in scientific court evidence backing my research and logical analysis of the evidence that “dr’ tohmei tohmei is the first suspect on everyone’s list and no other logical suspect please look at comment my comment 497, 498 and the link I provided!

     Please read all the comments I have posted as they are all based on actual evidence and verified published sources, court documents!

     Also, in one of my comments I mentioned that there seems to be a very belligerent yet very determined effort on the internet to intimidate/muscle anyone from reviewing any evidence and discourage people from questioning any of Conrad Murray’s obvious untruthful explanations or any kind of accusation against tohmei.
     You probably thought I was paranoid; look at the great length these people are willing to go to get this page and my comments taken down!
     They have gone though every attempt to get this page shut down and to intimidate any kind of evidence review and to make people turn away from this page.
     Their/his only constant efforts night and day are to discredit the evidence and prevent people from questioning the absurdity of the lies/explanations of c murray, tohmei, bodyguards, lee and the overwhelming contradicting and shocking evidence of their criminal acts!!
     These identical type of people, I have been battling on the net and on hoax sights since october and they have absolutely no interest on discussing anything that has any touch with reality! Heaven forbid that you point out actual evidence of tohmei or conrad murray or nurse lee, I’ve gotten everything from cursed out to death threats to people showing up in my personal life and quoting my statements and trying to discourage my efforts to continue this investigation!!
     All this people want to say is evil michael who set up his own kids because non of us know that he is capable of breaking his kids heart on purpose, yadi yadi ya!! But mention a word of actual evidence to this people and they will block you off their hoax sites and send you a dozen of the above kind of messages! Their/his purpose hear are only to get this page shut down because I actually lined up all the facts with public evidence to show the truth everyone’s been working so hard to lie about ever since Nurse Lee, c murray, tohmei and his merry men took over on June 25th.
     I sure hope Michael’s still alive after all or they are so going to be cell buddies!!! Sorry, I ain’t stopping, I am just building momentum!! Please Azt, if you can open a different email, I access that on a secure computer were information gets dumped all the time! I really could use a helping hand thank you!

512. mike has a message Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

     well i really find it hard to believe they would just let murry walk,on this,he would have and should have been locked up…there is a lot of things that still dont add up,Way to many.when they showed murry going to court,when he was in the court room he just had this look on his face to me as he had already knew he was walking out of there,guess we will see dont he have court again soon

513. Azt Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

     Hey carmen how are u? I have been a bit busy I have to change my iPhone on fri and will definately let u know take care!!!

514. marine_wife Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

     Mike has a msg:

     Dr. Murray practically didn’t even exist before june 2009. The same one photo of him. Nothing on the newsgroups about him before 2009. Nothing. So, to me, it’s almost like he’s a paid actor. And did you see the white Dr. Conrad Murray also from Texas… AND he was at the black Dr. Conrad Murray’s court date that day. Now, something is up with that.

     And Michael knows that a nurse/nutritionist can’t get propofol or diprivan. That’s underestimating MJ’s intelligence. It was all part of a setup to make the public believe he was propofol dependent.

515. marine_wife Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

     Carmen, you said before that you haven’t participated in hoax websites because you don’t believe in a hoax; only scientific facts. Now you’re saying that you have posted and was kicked out. I can tell you… if you were kicked out, it wouldn’t have been for your theories. It would have been for your name calling and ridiculing and nastiness. Every single person that has a different theory other than yours, you call them names.. call them whores.. call the retarded.. stupid.. ignorant etc. The NICE human beings over on those websites probably wasn’t going to take that crap. So in result, to get your theory heard - you post here. And that’s fine. It’s the land of the free. They wouldn’t kick you out for just no reason. If you treat people with respect Carmen, you will get respect. Your main focus should be getting your voice heard, and it’s kind of hard to listen to someone who is nasty allllllllll the time. Just my personal thoughts….

516. zippy Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

     Carmen,

     I did see the youtube that you sent me. I hadn’t seen this one before. But thank you.

     Speaking on saying that they are trying to delete your articles. It’s a possiblity that they could be doing that just like all the corrupt things that are going on. Anything corrupt doesn’t want to REAL TRUTH spilled out by all means.

     As the scripture says in John 10:10: John 10:10

     10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.(KJV)

     Not trying to preach or condemn anyone but satan(the enemy) is using many to steal the truth. He will do anything. He will use one another to continue this strife and division that is going on right now. That’s what he wants to cause us to continue to bicker and argue over what? To keep us distracted and our heads turned another direction while he continue to strategized another plan of deception and malice.

     Carmen, I may end up printing out everything before the week is out just in case for some STRANGE reason all of the info that you and everyone have sacrificed to put out of here get’s disappeared. C’mon folks let’s cooperate not divide. Print out this info and keep up with it. Do what you gotta do! pray for MJ and the family for their protection.

517. carmen Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

     1nd marine_wife: I have never said that I never went to hoax sites I DID SAY IN NUMEROUS POSTS THAT I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING THE HOAXTERS SINCE OCTOBER, FOR UP TO 50H non stop, ON THEIR SITES FOR FEEDING THE PUBLIC misinformation and attempting to confuse the public about the evidence and when confronted with any physical evidence they respond with threatening personal messages and block you of their hard attempts to create propaganda that confuses the public about the actual evidence and facts and irrational explanation!
     2rd marine_wife: Dr. C. Murray has been of record with a degree and a fellowship since 1993 and licensed to practice cardiology which can easily be found on line and on records that have never been questioned! Further Dr. C. Murray has had numerous malpractice judgments in NV and TX that resulted in judgments(meaning he was found guilty) on all his personal and business property, which is why he was facing bankruptcy when he was brought to Michael by Tohmei’s bodyguards when Michael requested a doctor for the children’s health. Dr. C. Murray had an expired license in CA when he was brought by the Tohmei bodyguards. All this malpractice judgments between 1993 and 2009 means that the courts in TX and NV recognized him as a licensed doctor and entered judgments against him and his license for hurting other patients! Also, for c.murray to have an expired license in CA means at one point, long before the tohmei bodyguards brought him to Michael, the state of CA, recognized at some point c. Murray as a doctor which is why he had a license that was expired in 2009. Dr. C. Murray also happens to have 6 kids with 4 different women and THREE of those women are seeking child support from him.
     3th marine_wife: yes Michael did ask for a nutritional nurse to be brought to him because he had turned to homeopathic treatment and the tohmei hired bodyguards did bring a nutritional nurse, who within hours, of Michael June 25th put on her racing boots and ran to every news station ‘to inform the public’ that she had been had Michael Jackson, the guy who jets around the world and nose hundreds of operating room stuff and provided vital medicines and organ donations to hospitals around the world, ‘begging’ her, the nutritional nurse from CA he only saw 2 times in his life, ‘for probafol’ ! Nurse Lee’s speech was so well memorized she even used the same exact words every time and one time a journalist interrupted her, probably sensing the speech to be memorized, the reporter interrupted her speech and asked her question about the ‘begging’ scene and Lee looked stunt, confused for a couple of seconds, shook her head violently and went directly back into her speech!
     4th marine_wife: Do not attempt to misinform the public because showing evidence to prove you wrong or ignoring the evidence or incoherent or inaccurate is not slamming! It’s called evidence and the evidence is always the same!
     By the way, in my state there are 4 other people with similar names as mine, non are me!

518. marine_wife Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

     1st - lol
     2nd - lol
     3rd - lol
     4th - lol

519. radison Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

     hey everybody!!!!
     first of all : DOCTOR MURRAY, DON’T WORRY, HAVE SOME INDIAN CURRY :)

     second: i think somebody should put carmen out of her misery and maybe give her an injection of propofol…jeez she’s really bonkers, and so full of herself, jeeeeeeezzzzussss

520. carmen Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

     1nd marine_wife: I have never said that I never went to hoax sites I DID SAY IN NUMEROUS POSTS THAT I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING THE HOAXTERS SINCE OCTOBER, FOR UP TO 50H non stop, ON THEIR SITES FOR FEEDING THE PUBLIC misinformation and attempting to confuse the public about the evidence and when confronted with any physical evidence they respond with threatening personal messages and block you of their hard attempts to create propaganda that confuses the public about the actual evidence and facts and irrational explanation!
     2rd marine_wife: Dr. C. Murray has been of record with a degree and a fellowship since 1993 and licensed to practice cardiology which can easily be found on line and on records that have never been questioned! Further Dr. C. Murray has had numerous malpractice judgments in NV and TX that resulted in judgments(meaning he was found guilty) on all his personal and business property, which is why he was facing bankruptcy when he was brought to Michael by Tohmei’s bodyguards when Michael requested a doctor for the children’s health. Dr. C. Murray had an expired license in CA when he was brought by the Tohmei bodyguards. All this malpractice judgments between 1993 and 2009 means that the courts in TX and NV recognized him as a licensed doctor and entered judgments against him and his license for hurting other patients! Also, for c.murray to have an expired license in CA means at one point, long before the tohmei bodyguards brought him to Michael, the state of CA, recognized at some point c. Murray as a doctor which is why he had a license that was expired in 2009. Dr. C. Murray also happens to have 6 kids with 4 different women and THREE of those women are seeking child support from him.
     3th marine_wife: yes Michael did ask for a nutritional nurse to be brought to him because he had turned to homeopathic treatment and the tohmei hired bodyguards did bring a nutritional nurse, who within hours, of Michael June 25th put on her racing boots and ran to every news station ‘to inform the public’ that she had been had Michael Jackson, the guy who jets around the world and nose hundreds of operating room stuff and provided vital medicines and organ donations to hospitals around the world, ‘begging’ her, the nutritional nurse from CA he only saw 2 times in his life, ‘for probafol’ ! Nurse Lee’s speech was so well memorized she even used the same exact words every time and one time a journalist interrupted her, probably sensing the speech to be memorized, the reporter interrupted her speech and asked her question about the ‘begging’ scene and Lee looked stunt, confused for a couple of seconds, shook her head violently and went directly back into her speech!
     4th marine_wife: Do not attempt to misinform the public because showing evidence to prove you wrong or ignoring the evidence or incoherent or inaccurate is not slamming! It’s called evidence and the evidence is always the same!
     By the way, in my state there are 4 other people with similar names to mine, non are me! I guarantee you, I am not a baker, and the UCLA medical diploma and the following fellowship are real. What I don’t understand is why you would you see no evidence of him being a doctor anywhere before 2009??!! Marine_wife: call UCLA and ask if he went to school and got a diploma as a medical doctor! The information is at the top of this page, what else could I call you when you ignore this facts nobody questions and make make-believe theories on unquestionable facts, that is called propaganda, which I am not sure if you are intentionally or unintentionally doing but you are saying questioning unquestionable facts, and then making a theory which on facts that have no indication of being lies, such as C. Murray being a cardiologist in TX,NV and in CA with an expired license long before 2009!

521. carmen Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

     1nd marine_wife: I have never said that I never went to hoax sites I DID SAY IN NUMEROUS POSTS THAT I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING THE HOAXTERS SINCE OCTOBER, FOR UP TO 50H non stop, ON THEIR SITES FOR FEEDING THE PUBLIC misinformation and attempting to confuse the public about the evidence and when confronted with any physical evidence they respond with threatening personal messages and block you of their hard attempts to create propaganda that confuses the public about the actual evidence and facts and irrational explanation!
     2rd marine_wife: Dr. C. Murray has been of record with a degree and a fellowship since 1993 and licensed to practice cardiology which can easily be found on line and on records that have never been questioned! Further Dr. C. Murray has had numerous malpractice judgments in NV and TX that resulted in judgments(meaning he was found guilty) on all his personal and business property, which is why he was facing bankruptcy when he was brought to Michael by Tohmei’s bodyguards when Michael requested a doctor for the children’s health. Dr. C. Murray had an expired license in CA when he was brought by the Tohmei bodyguards. All this malpractice judgments between 1993 and 2009 means that the courts in TX and NV recognized him as a licensed doctor and entered judgments against him and his license for hurting other patients! Also, for c.murray to have an expired license in CA means at one point, long before the tohmei bodyguards brought him to Michael, the state of CA, recognized at some point c. Murray as a doctor which is why he had a license that was expired in 2009. Dr. C. Murray also happens to have 6 kids with 4 different women and THREE of those women are seeking child support from him.
     3th marine_wife: yes Michael did ask for a nutritional nurse to be brought to him because he had turned to homeopathic treatment and the tohmei hired bodyguards did bring a nutritional nurse, who within hours, of Michael June 25th put on her racing boots and ran to every news station ‘to inform the public’ that she had been had Michael Jackson, the guy who jets around the world and nose hundreds of operating room stuff and provided vital medicines and organ donations to hospitals around the world, ‘begging’ her, the nutritional nurse from CA he only saw 2 times in his life, ‘for probafol’ ! Nurse Lee’s speech was so well memorized she even used the same exact words every time and one time a journalist interrupted her, probably sensing the speech to be memorized, the reporter interrupted her speech and asked her question about the ‘begging’ scene and Lee looked stunt, confused for a couple of seconds, shook her head violently and went directly back into her speech!
     4th marine_wife: Do not attempt to misinform the public because showing evidence to prove you wrong or ignoring the evidence or incoherent or inaccurate is not slamming! It’s called evidence and the evidence is always the same!
     By the way, in my state there are 4 other people with similar names to mine, non are me! I guarantee you, I am not a baker, and the UCLA medical diploma and the following fellowship are real. What I don’t understand is why you would you see no evidence of him being a doctor anywhere before 2009??!! Marine_wife: call UCLA and ask if he went to school and got a diploma as a medical doctor! The information is at the top of this page, what else could I call you when you ignore this facts nobody questions and make make-believe theories on unquestionable facts, that is called propaganda, which I am not sure if you are intentionally or unintentionally doing but you are saying questioning unquestionable facts, and then making a theory which on facts that have no indication of being lies, such as C. Murray being a cardiologist in TX,NV and in CA with an expired license long before 2009!

     Please everyone looking for evidence and court backed evidence and reaserched varifiable facts and common sense theories please I refer you to my comments and the commet 496 and 497 and all my comments on reaserch, please excuse and don’t even bother reading marine_wife toxic posts and couple of her other manifestations on this site!!!

522. marine_wife Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

     Carmen quit double posting. You’re taking up space in my inbox.

523. zippy Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

     Oh, Marine, no I didn’t think you were attacking my beliefs. You are alright. I am just getting back to replying to the post from yesterday that I am noticing.

524. zippy Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

     AZT,

     It’s really Bazaar! Isn’t it. Now if he is dead then that is what it should have said on the screen. It’s like double-mouthed and to me a way to throw the public off in my opinion. You are saying he is dead out of your mouth but on the screen it says he is in a coma. C’mon now!!! That don’t make sense. Don’t believe it was an erron their part either.

525. zippy Says:
     March 4th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

     marine,

     I don’t think it is anything Carmen is doing intentionally. It has happened to me as well and I noticed it in someone else’s post. Maybe a gliche.

526. Azt Says:
     March 5th, 2010 at 4:07 am

     Hey zippy I know and one thing what really surpprised me is he was taken to Ucla ok I don’t know if you had a chance to google about that hospital it us known for having one of the best top surgeons in the world if you want to know how expert they are you can google it I mean these Drs are well known to raise people from dead they call it the Lazarus syndrme I don’t know if you remember the story in the bible Lazarus whom Jesus raised from death they basically bring back people that a lot of Drs has written off there is a story of a woman whose heart had stopped for 2 1/2hrs that was brought back to life so to make the long story short there is no way Michael was taken to that hospital and lost his life he really was in a good hand they interviewed one of the Drs I have to post his name later, about Michael his answer to me was a little vague there is definately a cover up going on!!!

527. Azt Says:
     March 5th, 2010 at 4:28 am

     One of the expert surgeon ’s name is Dr Gerald Buckberg he is a cardiothoracic surgeon I belive the best one there how come he was not assigned for Michael? He was just giving an interview did not seem to get in to detail about Michael his answer as I said earlier was short and vague!!!

528. Azt Says:
     March 5th, 2010 at 5:00 am

     Sorry my brain is dead I meant he was being interviewed:)…

529. carmen Says:
     March 5th, 2010 at 8:04 am

     Here is a hypothetical theory based on the recorded public events on how this possible kidnapping could have been done without any government corruption or bribes.

     In the ER rooms, they always use curtains, for privacy; when EMT brought in the dead body, the body guards could have already head Michael on another stretcher in the prepared ER room behind the curtains that are kept on all ER rooms for privacy. The doctors would run to the body to try and revive it and off course fail, since the body was showing lividity since 12:21pm and then as usually, when the doctors fail to revive the patient, they usually step out of the room to give the family some privacy. Then, when the family would be taken in for ID and final goodbye, it’s the bodyguards who would take them into the ER room to ID the ‘warm to the touch, still warm, looking like he was sleeping’ Michael.
     All they had to do was pull the curtain over the table with the dead body and pull back the curtains on the real Michael ’still warm to the touch, looking like he was sleeping, still warm…’ and the whole family would recognize Michael.
     [ A good muscle relaxent and that is exactly what a patient looks like, down to the eyelids being relaxed, the body being warm, the pulse is so weak it's impossible to feel, and they look like they are sleeping!]
     Then they had to get the body to the morgue, but the doctors refused to sign the death certificate (probably for the same reason the EMT were said to not have recognized the patient was Michael Jackson, and they wanted to declare him dead on the scene and recorded the body showing lividity at 12:21pm) and the people from the morgue were probably in their way already, and if they would arrive and find a body with an unsigned death certificate, then the morgue personal would probably ask the doctor why they didn’t sign the death certificate and if the doctors would say something along the lines of he doesn’t look like Michael Jackson, then a DNA would be ordered in spite of the family ID ; heaven forbid anyone looking behind the other curtain and that could’ve been a real mess, for tohmei and his employees! That makes more sense as to why the fire alarm had been pulled and why they needed the sister to sign the ER death certificate! It’s a lot easier to do these kind off maneuvers with a skeleton emergency personal and no patients on the hallways as opposed to everybody poking around and observing a possible ticked off doctors storming out and refusing to sign the death certificate, a probably intimidating strong suggestion to Michael’s sister to sign the death certificate, maybe either waking up or putting down michael(could both result on some auch!) that did not need to be heard, plus, even with disguises, it is a lot easier to smuggle an alive Michael out of the ER room with a skeletal emergency personal!
     Then the coroner got a body, they didn’t know it wasn’t Michael, but they got a body who had been IDed once by the family and maybe didn’t want to bother the family to come to the morgue again and just chose to not question the invalid sister signed ER death certificate; but out of politeness for the family IDed the body by the death certificate, since the body had been IDed by the family at the hospital and based on that, without breaking any laws, issued a real Valid death certificate entered in the court!
     Now here’s the messy part!!
     Did an autopsy on the body and that’s when things probably got messy, which would be a good explanation for the
     4 month after death and a week after the funeral delay in the autopsy report! Could also explain why a whole bunch of eyewitness accounts consistently stated the body had a hole instead of a nose (That is when it gets messy and it could go in the realm of hostage negotiations etc.etc.)
     You have to realize, the coroner issued a real valid death certificate entered in court document based on the driver’s license with an ER death certificate signed by Michael’s sister! It is not an illegal act! It could have been an innocent mistake that he didn’t check why the doctors didn’t sign the death certificate. The scientific questions arise when there are consistent unquestioned eyewitness reports to all media sources foe 4month, saying the body had a missing prosthesis, and had a hole instead of a nose. Michael’s Dr. Klein goes on Larry King, a week before the news breaks on all the news stations about the missing prosthesis, saying Michael does not have a prosthetic nose and he had been treating him with injectable fillers which are impossible to administer in a prosthesis and makes a clear point that he wants everyone to know Michael does not have a nasal prosthesis!! Hm..? Where did he hear about the missing prosthesis on the body, because the news had not been published by the media yet!!!
     Now you have to remember, no matter what the case is, IF MICHAEL KNEW ABOUT THE EVENTS OF JUNE 25TH PRIOR TO JUNE 25th, HIS CHILDREN WOULD NOT HAVE CRIED A SINGLE TEAR!
     Michael was an abused child and suffered a lot, and in his adult years, he suffered even more emotional abuse because of false accusations and the paparazzi. Michael would never allow his kids to be exposed to this kind off suffering, trauma, and tear all displayed for everyone to see and enjoy on TV!
     Unless, with some sort of force, on June 25th Michael was forced to cooperate! Remember: MICHAEL WILL AGREE TO ANYTHING TO PROTECT HIS KIDS! What Michael needs to know now, if he is alive, that nobody at this point can harm his children without exposing themselves as well, and he, Michael Jackson, needs to save himself without concern for his kids safety and the only place he can be safe is in the public eye. If everyone knows he is alive then his safety can be everyone’s responsibility; that is what Michael needs to know if he can read this posts!! Still, the irony is that the autopsy, which I haven’t read in it’s entirety -just ripped it up- the autopsy report 4 month delayed did not make a mention of the missing prosthesis reported by eyewitness for 4 month consistently?! Hm?!?! They also said there was no trace of lupus but would not test because it was considered unnecessary testing. True, it’s unnecessary, but you would think that for someone who had lupus his whole life, serious case of lupus according to Dr. Klein, there would have been some trace of lupus somewhere on the body.
     The body was also said to have absolutely no hair anywhere on the body except for some puff on the skull; yet on
     rehearsal pictures from Staples Center you see shaving irritation on his face and upper lip, serious shaving irritation on one off the photographs! The autopsy rep. also said the body was 136p, but Dr. C Murray said the body was to skinny for adult CPR on a hard surface, and every single publication, bee it TV or print, or radio, with sources everywhere at the hospital and morgue said that the body was emaciated skinny, all estimated at about 110p or skinnier at 105p, yet the rehearsal video on June 23 released by AEG show a 136p, healthy energetic Michael who very much looks like the Michael with the features you can trace back to his childhood! YET NOBODY WANTED TO DO A DNA TEST! Not especially, the people who told Michael’s sister she had to sign that ER death certificate, which had to be Tohmei and his employees because I am sure the doctors were not the one’s to tell Michael’s sister to sign the ER death certificate and Tohmei and his employees were the ones at the hospital observed on CNN and dozen of other news stations and I am sure Michael’s mother didn’t tell her daughter to sign the death certificate! Now question to everybody, hypothetically speaking, if my theory based on recorded facts is correct, once Michael would have been taken from the morgue and from anyone who could harm his kids, what do you think it would take to break him down to get him to agree to anything they wanted, hypothetically speaking, given Michael’s lack of ’street smarts’ and observed stubborn personality, what do you think, hypothetically speaking would take to make Michael cooperate?!?!
     Don’t answer me, just picture it, because I don’t think, sedatives alone would make someone like Michael cooperate, don’t answer, just wonder.

530. Azt Says:
     March 5th, 2010 at 10:58 am

     Hey zippy is it true that when you reverse this it song it gives you that message?

531. Azt Says:
     March 5th, 2010 at 11:19 am

     Hey carmen I know the most important thing at this point oh his life are his kids definately nothing else!!!

532. mike has a message Says:
     March 5th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

     Ok i have a question…and im serious no more arguing…if dr murry was brought in for michaels kids dont you think he would have done some kind of research on him,i meen his kids are everything to him he is not just gonna let any doc near them or was the doc
     just brung in for him (and yes the nurse did look like her stuff was just played out well rehearsed)
     second,why do u think the the other body had no hair(not saying u dont know the body didnt have the hair)im asking why it didnt,that should have raised some eyebrows beacuse of michaels facial hair.
     carmen what was you explanation for those kidnapping him again..not even being smart did they want his money and how are they just supose to let him go after they get what they want or do you believe that they are not?
     and marine how is your hubby doin?hope everything is well

533. zippy Says:
     March 5th, 2010 at 11:22 pm

     @ AZT,

     Hey, here is the link to “This Is It” on Youtube about it being reversed.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg9tZEv_aec

     Sounds like he is saying in some of it “miss me?!”

     Okay, here is the one with the words in it that someone translated to what it is saying reversed. It’s hard me to understand some of it. Some of it I did pick up.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KP9_Z3Zkew

534. marine_wife Says:
     March 5th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

     Hi mike. He’s fine. Just ready to come home. They still aren’t giving us a return date. Is all they keep saying is “before April 15th”. Not knowing is the worst part of it. It’s been going on 2 months. Not that I’m a verteran to deployments… Lord knows I’ve done many… but atleast I always knew WHEN he was coming home. It’s been a busy week and I haven’t done much research. I plan on sitting up here in my room tomorrow night and go through some stuff. Anyway, I hope you are doing well. Have you came up with anything or found anything else?

535. marine_wife Says:
     March 5th, 2010 at 11:56 pm

     Has Brian Oxman been interviewed any more? Isn’t his statement triggering an investigation? Even Dr. Murray’s story changing several times alone should be cause to look in to this case in more depth. But I can’t finding anything supporting the fact that they are looking in to this with more detail. Anything, Mike?

536. marine_wife Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 12:03 am

     azt - I know your question was directed to zippy, but please allow me to jump in here. I ran across the lyrics backwards… and this may sound stupid, but I don’t understand the backwards lyrics… How did they get them backwards… because when you read the lyrics the words “alive” and “believe” aren’t in there. So, what exactly does “backwards mean”?? Not literally lol… but I’m confuse. azt.. toolsgrl… mike.. zippy.. anyone?

537. marine_wife Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 12:05 am

     That was supposed to say *confused. Sorry

     I know there is a downloadable program that reverses lyrics. But I’m just confused on when it’s ran backwards, how are there lyrics in there that wasn’t there originally?? Am I making sense??

538. zippy Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 12:06 am

     Here is a link of a lady who talked about the trial. Just thought I would post this on here. Interesting.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMnTYmQhKMU

539. marine_wife Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 12:08 am

     I want to read that book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

540. zippy Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 12:09 am

     marine,

     I believe there is a software where you can put the music on there and it can reverse the music. I think I have seen this on youtube. Search it out and see. I could believe and I could here some words but not at all.

541. marine_wife Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 12:11 am

     Zippy, I posted about the software… I did read that’s how they got the song. I’m just confused on how. Maybe I will google it later and see if the process is explained.

     Have a good day!

542. marine_wife Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 12:14 am

     zippy
     I found this information:
     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backmasking
     But I don’t have time to read it all right now. The technical name for it is “backmasking”.

543. zippy Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 12:19 am

     Marine,

     Probably do a search on google. Amazon may have it.I definitely want to not only read that but also read Aphrodite Jones book as well about MJs case/allegations/conspiracy.

544. zippy Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 12:28 am

     Oh, yeah. LOL! You did mentioned this already. Sorry. This is very interesting.

     Also, thanks for the wikipedia info.

545. marine_wife Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 1:55 am

     You’re welcome =)

546. Tita Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 4:04 am

     Carmen-Quote: “The coroner got a body IDed by the sister and a DEATH CERTIFICATE from ER signed by the sister which was told to sign the death certificate!”

     Since when are family members allowed to sign a death certificate??? She was listed as INFORMANT, nothing more!

547. Tita Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 4:11 am

     Carmen-Quote: “Further Dr. C. Murray has had numerous malpractice judgments in NV and TX that resulted in judgments(meaning he was found guilty)”

     Who said that? The Medical Boards of Texas & Nevada tell a different story…

548. carmen Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 4:34 am

     Check with court records in the two states! Look, these are facts that have been established and verified a long time ago!
     Dr. C. Murray has an expired CA license, is a cardiologist, has several well documented and publicly known cases of malpractice against him, his properties had a bunch of hundred’s of thousands of lens because of judgments were he was found guilty, was in serious problems with about 3 of the 4 women he has about 6 kids, can never know how many kids he really has, facing child support sor all, tita, I don’t know why you are asking me questions that you can find out for yourself. Look at my research, and go and verify it with public records, if you have any questions, please address me on my email because this is just not the kind of question that should be asked here. It’s all known facts you are asking me about!

     clange71@yahoo.com is for questions, otherwise please refer to all my comments! Thank you!
     carmennea39@gmail.com

549. marine_wife Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 4:41 am

     Why can’t people ask questions Carmen? These questions are no worse then you calling out “kidnappers” by name - which would put MJ in real jeopardy IF it were the case. I mean, you call out who the kidnappers are and they figure out people are on their trail - then they “dispose of evidence”. So, I think these questions are completely benign considering you’ve called out some major people publicly. More importantly, this is a comment area for “who is Dr. Murray”. This person is staying within the ORIGINAL topic… unlike…. um… some people. Please don’t think you call the shots in a public comment area. It just isn’t the case Carmen. Have a good day.

550. marine_wife Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 4:44 am

     And for people’s information: there is another Dr. Conrad Murray that practices out of Texas. He’s white. And he was also at the the black Dr. Conrad Murray’s trial. They are both cardiologists. Strange, eh?

551. Azt Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 11:41 am

     That was really bazaar how they would be in the same court same day with the same name I thought that was really bazaar I found this link yesterday about Michael’s last minute I belive panic about the many dates of the tour:).. http://Www.YouTube.com/watch?v=DqXbWS4Dvz4

552. Azt Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

     I usually go for fact but I found this a little interesting and somehow funny as well who is that greenman in the middle of the we are the world the newversion for Haiti song? http://Www.YouTube.com/watch?v=XRGItaw9gU

553. carmen Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

     Among the rubbles of hoaxes a found a diamond of truth! I told you I stopped reading the autopsy rep and ripped it up! I should have finished reading it! But somebody somewhere did read it and analyze it! The below. You tube address is a 100%
     accurate analysis of part of the autopsy! That is evidence! I’ve got to go and recover again the autopsy report! But the below accounting is evidence! I suggest you find it in youtube !! If you really want to see prove!!!
     Youtube
     Michael Jackson Death Hoax Chronicles Part 20

554. Tita Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

     Marine_Wife-Quote: “And for people’s information: there is another Dr. Conrad Murray that practices out of Texas. He’s white. And he was also at the the black Dr. Conrad Murray’s trial. They are both cardiologists. Strange, eh?”

     Well, this guy is attorney Matt Alford from Houston.
     http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=6888856

555. Tita Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

     Carmen-Quote: “Dr. C. Murray has an expired CA license..”

     This is simply NOT true.
     http://licenselookup.mbc.ca.gov/licenselookup/lookup.php?LicenseType=G&LicenseNumber=71169
     He’s not allowed to prescribe schuduled drugs in CA but that’s a different story.

556. marine_wife Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

     No Tita. Matt Alford is this man:

     http://www.houstoncriminallaw.com/CM/Attorneys/Matthew-B-Alford.html

     I am referring to a WHITE Dr. Conrad Robert Murray

     http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3169/whitemurray.jpg

     http://img695.imageshack.us/i/whitemurraycourt.jpg/

     They are not the same person nor do they even look alike… so….

557. marine_wife Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

     This is another example of a fabrication.

558. marine_wife Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

     http://texaslawyer.typepad.com/texas_lawyer_blog/2010/02/houston-lawyer-at-california-hearing-for-conrad-murray-one-of-king-of-pop-michael-jacksons-doctors-.html

     Here are both of Murray’s lawyers. And the guy you think that is his lawyer…. sitting BEHIND Murray?? Lawyers sit WITH the client. Not in the pews behind the client. I don’t care what that news clip says… it’s fabrication… that is not Matt Alford. Just a classic example of foul play.

559. toolsgrl Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

     http://www.houstoncriminallaw.com/

     Conrad Murray’s legal team

560. Tita Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

     Yes, and one of Murrays legal team is Matt Alford, the guy you see in the video. There is no “white Dr. Murray”. Thats bogus. But thats just my opinion.

561. marine_wife Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

     Then who is this Matt Alford??:

     http://www.houstoncriminallaw.com/CM/Attorneys/Matthew-B-Alford.html

562. marine_wife Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

     Dr. Murray does have an active California license. His license does not expire until February 28, 2011.

563. marine_wife Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

     And, actually, Dr. Murray does not have any malpractice judgments. You can go online and view his license information and that includes any restrictions on his license as well as malpractice judments. They are all current as of today and there are none. The restriction of adminstering propofol/diprivan is listed however. He has been sued over a dozen times for for claims including breach of contract and unpaid child support. He has never been sued for malpractice.

564. Tita Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

     Right, thats what I said, Marine_wife. His license is valid and he didnt have any malpractice cases so far. At least, thats what the Medical Boards say! :o)

565. carmen Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

     I apologize for not answering immediately but it takes me an hour to loud up these page. I will take care of that!

     Dr. C. Murray had an expired CA license, which was not renewed until after the funeral when he was rumored, to have had a reality TV deal in the works about his practice!
     The rumors of that deal went away when the charges were filed, which are an absolute insult to the American public and the horrifying painful experiences of June 25th which Michael and his little kids suffered because of Dr. C. Murray’s cooperation in what happened on June 25th to Michael Jackson - a father of three little kids, 2nd most generous and active humanitarian in the world and the nicest boss anyone had eve had as a boss!!!

     I do not have Dr. C. Murray medical file, that is in secure location, you can easily look when murray’s license expired in ‘08 and was not renewed; I do however have his criminal and civil files and I happen to have made some notes the other night on those:
     here go:
     -admits to fathering 6 kids with 5 women.

     -charged with domestic violence in February 1994, he was at University of Arizona at Tucson for his fellowship when he got charged, stood trial and got acquitted. (I’ve got the mug shot) hehe

     -sentenced to 25 days of jail in 2007 for non-payment of child support which he avoided by paying last minute, the son was with a woman named Nenita Malibran from CA.

     -sentenced foe 10 days of jail in April 2009 for non-payment of child support, he avoided the jail by paying last minute and these was with the same woman as above.

     -married to Banche(2nd wife) accused to have cheated on her with a woman in Trinidad at some party for an energy drink, with a woman by the name of Maggie Goldstein, apparently he like to drink and dance half naked! Uhu!! Yach! Peuh! That’s disgusting!

     -Dr. C . Murray facing foreclosure on a $1.56 mil property at 18th hole golf club in LV for not paying $15 000 mortgage since December ‘08!

     -Dr. C. Murray filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy in 1992 in CA.

     -Dr. C. Murray, in the past 3 years before June 25th had 9 lawsuits filed against him for unpaid bills.

     -1 month before June 25th, Dr. C. Murray Huston practice got hit with a $201,898 lawsuit for unpaid rent.

     -In another lawsuit, Dr. C. Murray got sued by a leasing company for $135,302 equipment rentals.

     -In 2008, a default judgment was made against him and his practice by Citicorp unpaid loan for $228,420

     -In the last 3 years before June 25th Dr. C. Murray got a little over $700,000 of unpaid lawsuits against him.

     -I don’t have his malpractice file with me but his malpractice, if memory serve correct did result in one man’s death, I need to look up those files and I am running late. You cab look it yourselves, it’s more then 2 malpractices judgments but I haven’t looked at those files for a long time and I really have to go to a meeting!

566. Tita Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

     @Carmen: I think what you mean is he was not certified on the American Board of internal medicine whis is something completely different and has nothing to do with his medical license! You can get a certificate there but its not a must!

567. carmen Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

     I apologize for not answering immediately but it takes me 3 hours to loud up this page, usualy it was about 5sec.. I will take care of that!

     Dr. C. Murray had an expired CA license, which was not renewed until after the funeral when he was rumored, to have had a reality TV deal in the works about his practice!
     The rumors of that deal went away when the charges were filed, which are an absolute insult to the American public and the horrifying painful experiences of June 25th which Michael and his little kids suffered because of Dr. C. Murray’s cooperation in what happened on June 25th to Michael Jackson - a father of three little kids, 2nd most generous and active humanitarian in the world and the nicest boss anyone had eve had as a boss!!!

     I do not have Dr. C. Murray medical file, that is in secure location, you can easily look when murray’s license expired in ‘08 and was not renewed; I do however have his criminal and civil files and I happen to have made some notes the other night on those:
     here go:
     -admits to fathering 6 kids with 5 women.

     -charged with domestic violence in February 1994, he was at University of Arizona at Tucson for his fellowship when he got charged, stood trial and got acquitted. (I’ve got the mug shot) hehe

     -sentenced to 25 days of jail in 2007 for non-payment of child support which he avoided by paying last minute, the son was with a woman named Nenita Malibran from CA.

     -sentenced foe 10 days of jail in April 2009 for non-payment of child support, he avoided the jail by paying last minute and these was with the same woman as above.

     -married to Banche(2nd wife) accused to have cheated on her with a woman in Trinidad at some party for an energy drink, with a woman by the name of Maggie Goldstein, apparently he like to drink and dance half naked! Uhu!! Yach! Peuh! That’s disgusting!

     -Dr. C . Murray facing foreclosure on a $1.56 mil property at 18th hole golf club in LV for not paying $15 000 mortgage since December ‘08!

     -Dr. C. Murray filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy in 1992 in CA.

     -Dr. C. Murray, in the past 3 years before June 25th had 9 lawsuits filed against him for unpaid bills.

     -1 month before June 25th, Dr. C. Murray Huston practice got hit with a $201,898 lawsuit for unpaid rent.

     -In another lawsuit, Dr. C. Murray got sued by a leasing company for $135,302 equipment rentals.

     -In 2008, a default judgment was made against him and his practice by Citicorp unpaid loan for $228,420

     -In the last 3 years before June 25th Dr. C. Murray got a little over $700,000 of unpaid lawsuits against him.

     -I don’t have his malpractice file with me but his malpractice, if memory serve correct did result in one man’s death, I need to look up those files and I am running late. You can look it yourselves, it’s more then 2 malpractices judgments but I haven’t looked at those files for a long time and I really have to go to a meeting!

568. carmen Says:
     March 6th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

     I apologize for not answering immediately but it took me 3 hours and 23min to loud up this page, usually it was about 5sec.. I will take care of that!

     Dr. C. Murray had an expired CA license, which was not renewed until after the funeral when he was rumored, to have had a reality TV deal in the works about his practice!
     The rumors of that deal went away when the charges were filed, which are an absolute insult to the American public and the horrifying painful experiences of June 25th which Michael and his little kids suffered because of Dr. C. Murray’s cooperation in what happened on June 25th to Michael Jackson - a father of three little kids, 2nd most generous and active humanitarian in the world and the nicest boss anyone had eve had as a boss!!!

     I do not have Dr. C. Murray medical file, that is in secure location, you can easily look when Murray’s license expired in ‘08 and was not renewed; I do however have his criminal and civil files and I happen to have made some notes the other night on those:
     here go:
     -admits to fathering 6 kids with 5 women.

     -charged with domestic violence in February 1994, he was at University of Arizona at Tucson for his fellowship when he got charged, stood trial and got acquitted. (I’ve got the mug shot) hehe

     -sentenced to 25 days of jail in 2007 for non-payment of child support which he avoided by paying last minute, the son was with a woman named Nenita Malibran from CA.

     -sentenced foe 10 days of jail in April 2009 for non-payment of child support, he avoided the jail by paying last minute and these was with the same woman as above.

     -married to Banche(2nd wife) accused to have cheated on her with a woman in Trinidad at some party for an energy drink, with a woman by the name of Maggie Goldstein, apparently he like to drink and dance half naked! Uhu!! Yach! Peuh! That’s disgusting!

     -Dr. C . Murray facing foreclosure on a $1.56 mil property at 18th hole golf club in LV for not paying $15 000 mortgage since December ‘08!

     -Dr. C. Murray filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy in 1992 in CA.

     -Dr. C. Murray, in the past 3 years before June 25th had 9 lawsuits filed against him for unpaid bills.

     -1 month before June 25th, Dr. C. Murray Huston practice got hit with a $201,898 lawsuit for unpaid rent.

     -In another lawsuit, Dr. C. Murray got sued by a leasing company for $135,302 equipment rentals.

     -In 2008, a default judgment was made against him and his practice by Citicorp unpaid loan for $228,420

     -In the last 3 years before June 25th Dr. C. Murray got a little over $700,000 of unpaid lawsuits against him.

     -I don’t have his malpractice file with me but his malpractice, if memory serve correct did result in one man’s death, I need to look up those files and I am running late. You can look it yourselves, it’s more then 2 malpractices judgments but I haven’t looked at those files for a long time and I really have to go to a meeting!

569. carmen Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 12:48 am

     God all mighty in heavens earth over hell and all existence that we know and not know off, I’ve heard of incohearent people but I never seen or believed people like marine_wife, tita, mike has a message etc. can be these unaware of simple survival common sense look up informations! You do not know a doctor is required to have a license which expires every couple of years in CA?!?! Please don’t me, just look up the info on court dockets, licencing boards, city court clerk office, records sites etc…do not ask me to prove to you a license expired who everyone with any kind of knowledge by now nose that Dr. C. Murray was not license to practice in CA on June 25th because his license expired, don’t ask me if he is a real doctor with a real medical license, don’t tell me about another guy who’s white because in my state there are almost a dozen people with my name but there is only one me and my records are similar to everybody on this planet! You ‘people’ are slowing down this sight talking about
     your groceries, kids, weather, this is not a social site, this is an evidence research site and I am investigating real evidence not playing songs backwards and looking for clues, a man who didn’t have the time to prepare his kids not to be traumatized and emotionally torren DOES NOT have time to give you clues, criminals and bad pranksters give you clues, a man who (if not dead) is kidnapped is looking to survive through the most hellish circumstances a human being can be forced to endure, with most likely highly unstable individuals like Tohmei and people who can do anything to him and never be held accountable, he ain’t giving anyone any clues, if Michael is still alive, he is praying harder then he ever prayed in his life to survive this and get his life back!!! This is not the time to be talking about your personal tiffs, this information site is a research lifeline for someone like Michael if he were kidnapped, this kind of evidence research is what keeps kidnappers from killing their victim,
     the fear the truth might get out there and they can’t get away with eliminating the victim, for God’s in heaven sake, if you want to just show you are a fan, or talk about things that are not evidence related go to a hoax site,but not here please, because anyone of us could find ourselves in Michael’s situation, any one of our husband, friends, boyfriend, fiancée, acquaintance can be in Michaels position, what ever that position may be, and I guarantee you marine_wife, mike has a message, tita etc.. You would do your research before you ask any questions, you would not curse, and you wouldn’t be playing songs backwards and talking about your groceries, and cursing; you would be begging the truth and evidence be so public nobody could hide, hurt or kill your loved one!! marine_wife: if you really do have a husband in the marines, you know what he faces, how dare you be so ignorant of a situation and a risk your husband takes every time he is on a filed mission!! Do you have any idea how many
     marines get kidnaped, would you be acting like this if this was your husband I was trying to find?!?!

     For anyone looking for new evidence, I didn’t review the autopsy in it’s’ entirety, I was angry it had a different description then the eyewitness description of the body so here is a site of REAL ACURATE EVIDENCE :

     Youtube
     Michael Jackson Death Hoax Chronicles Part 20

570. marine_wife Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 1:18 am

     Carmen you dumb ass. This is a CONRAD MURRAY site NOT a research site you moron. I love shopping at organic grocery stores. My kids are the love of my life. I love makeup and pedicures and if you don’t like it kiss my ass Carmen. Again, this is not your site you ignorant lonely soul. Let me ask you this… you finally heard of Michael Jackson’s music? You are dilusional and psychotic.

     I guess this is a site where we tell women they are bent over a table a fuc*ed like a whore. Isn’t that what you said to another poster Carman?

     WHY DON’T YOU STICK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC OF DR. CONRAD MURRAY. THAT IS WHAT THIS PAGE IS ABOUT. C*NT.

571. marine_wife Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 1:22 am

     maybe start reading everything in it’s entirety since you think you’re such a genius in the matter. that video is not anything we the fans didn’t already know. we just don’t have to go to a dr. conrad murray page ran out of thailand to prove that there was a lot of wrong in the autopsy report. not very thorough researc ms genius. you go through things half assed i guess. which shows your lack of knowledge. yet you try to proclaim you have read every square inch of this case. oh let’s get mad at the autopsy report then just tear it up and not read it all then go online and proclaim to be a genius on this case. you show your ignorance in every post. glad to hear you’re finally watching hoax videos lmao. good info we hoaxers have, huh??!

572. marine_wife Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 1:23 am

     carmen the marines in haiti is public information you ignorant bitch.

573. marine_wife Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 1:27 am

     and your posts are entirely too long. i skim through them and realize what jibberish you talk. you are the dumbest insaine bitch i’ve ever had an encounter with. and what rock did you live under not even knowing any of mj’s music? i mean really? so just his “death” has interested you? you are not a person mj would like …. hate to tell you. kids in ethiopia know mj’s music you dumb ass.

     as far as my husband…. you degraded him saying he steals body organs in other countries and parties. don’t be concerned about him being kidnapped … he’s a big boy with a big gun on a big boat. you ignorant bitch… you know nothing about our military. who gives two sh!ts about what your dad did. there is news stories all over and websites about his meu all over the internet that has their public information on it. so don’t you sit there and try to tell me about my husband or the marine corps. you are just an ignorant soul who thinks she knows everything. news flash. you don’t know a damn thing. everything you say is based off of one interview with latoya jackson. get of my a$$ whore bag.

574. marine_wife Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 1:34 am

     And quit taking up bandwidth with your gawd damn novels that you post!! write a book or create your OWN webpage that you can run YOUR way since YOU are so DEDICATED to finding michael’s kidnappers; thome thome. It’s free to do. Start a blog area or open a webpage. Then you can run shit your way. Until then, we will talk about groceries, pedicures, spouses, cars, trucks, jobs, and your ignorant ass.

575. marine_wife Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 1:40 am

     I can’t BELIEVE you are just NOW reading the autopsy report. After all your bullcrap rants you have went on about doing research??? And you leave out the key part of this case because you got “mad”???!!!! LMFAO. What a crazy woman you are!!!! Wow. That’s all I got to say. I can’t believe out of all the people in the world that YOU would be practically the only one that hasn’t read it. I mean… all your fit throwing about doing research…. boy aren’t you the typical hypocrite. I still can’t get over this…… LMAO

576. marine_wife Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 1:48 am

     My Gawd Carmen…. Here is the free blog area for you to try:

     https://www.blogger.com/start

     Create a blog. It’s free.
     Your blog. Share your thoughts, photos, and more with your friends and the world.
     Easy to use. It’s easy to post text, photos, and videos from the web or your mobile phone.
     Flexible. Unlimited flexibility to personalize your blog with themes, gadgets, and more.

     There is the info. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease create your OWN page!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

577. zippy Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 2:10 am

     Is there any way you can get access to the autoposy report? I will say there is alot questionable about it.

     You mentioned Dr. Murray had alot of unpaid debts and judgements would this be why he wanted $100,000 a month paid to him?

578. zippy Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 2:12 am

     C’mon guys lets stop being at each other throats. This is just not getting anywhere.
     I have now flagged and kept emails of whatever info is on here now. You don’t know who is watching this board. That way I can look over this info. Okay, I am not going to say anymore about this back and forth bickering. Carmen,marine, whoever, we need to get along and stop this. This is a distraction to get to the bottom of this, that is for sure.

579. carmen Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 2:31 am

     Off course, it can be requested on line, and yes off course if you right to the coroner, they will write you back! Just make a public records request! It’s as easy as 1, 2, 3!
     marine_wife: I did get the full autopsy report and I read part of it, when I noticed that key observations, such as the missing nasal prosthesis where missing, that’s when I ripped it up! I do have the ripped version is a saif location!
     You ‘marine_wife’ First, I know who you are,
     Second: haven’t you noticed you cannot hurt my feelings or emotions by now?!
     Third; there is one single purpose, in spite of my happy social/work life, and only one purpose I have in this world that I enjoy and strive live in my life:: hunt and capture criminals with the evidence of their dark deeds, be it in jail or on the free world, until the natural end of their days!
     There is only one thing I like more then that, saving a human life, especially a innocent beautiful life! Now you know me too! I am a crazy genius bitch and I love it!!! What can I say, we all have a purpose, these are mine and the evidence of what’s been done to Michael will be there for all to see and know as well as they know their own names!!!

580. marine_wife Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 2:34 am

     Carmen-
     You “think” you know me ;-)

     Zippy I have the full report. Where can I send it?

581. marine_wife Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 2:36 am

     And Carmem when are YOU gonna learn you don’t scare me?? Mashugana.

     And this is a Dr. Conrad murray page… this isn’t a webpage to talk about your social life.

582. marine_wife Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 2:37 am

     How’s that autopsy report coming for ya Carmen? lmao. You really should have read that a long time ago..

583. toolsgrll Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 2:39 am

     Ya know… this is just a thought.. but I’m pretty sure I found this page by typing in Google who is dr murray… hmm whaddaya know… that is the title of this article. Marines_wife… my family and I appreciate everything you and your husband do for our country. I’m sure it is hard to deal with everything yourself while he is gone. I wish you and him nothing but wonderful things! I have freedom to go to the grocery and get pedicures because of your husband… so thank you… oh.. i wouldnt give carmens words too much attention… its people like her that are too stupid to make sense. She was just upset cuz nobody was talking to her.

584. marine_wife Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 2:39 am

     One last thing Carmen… IF you really knew who I was… then you would know I am indeed married to a marine. Please quit being a hypocrite.

     Zippy - if you give me a place to send this report to - I’ll do that asap.

585. marine_wife Says:
     March 7th, 2010 at 2:56 am

     I suppose you are right toolsgrl. That woman aggravates me so much with her hypocritism. I should be used to it… my husband enjoys aggravating me on purpose now and then (lol - I miss him!), my 3 kids sure do aggravate me when they don’t take no for an answer, my dog surely aggravates me when he comes in after it has rained, so I guess I should be used to it. I just put her in the category with the dirty dog I guess. Ok, I won’t give her that much credit, but oh well. I’m so over even addressing this woman. I’m sure people by now have seen all her contradictions and hypocritisms. I’m just gonna keep posting my questions and comments.. She can rot in hell as far as I’m concerned. Have a good day.

586. Azt Says:
     March 8th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

     Hey zippy thank you for all the video hey carmen how are u? This is for everybody I thought this would relate to all of us who is investigating this like all of us the girl starts with broken heart and sadness on June 25th she does not belive in conspiracy theory or nothing like that but as she goes on she starts questioning everything surrounding his death I found it intersting how she put it together so watch, http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=LyEtZXoC2No

587. zippy Says:
     March 9th, 2010 at 4:26 am

     Hi,

     thanks AZT. I had already seen that youtube links. Thanks though. Marine, do you have an email?

     Also here is a link that i thought was pretty interesting.

     http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4626

588. zippy Says:
     March 9th, 2010 at 5:22 am

     Here is something else interesting.

589. zippy Says:
     March 9th, 2010 at 5:27 am

     sorry, here is something else interesting.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41rdPR4_Lak

590. marine_wife Says:
     March 9th, 2010 at 5:49 am

     Hey Zippy - ask Carmen to give it to you. If she won’t do it… then I will create one just long enough to send you the file. Then after you get it, I will just cancel the account. Try asking her first though. Thanks… and let me know!!

591. zippy Says:
     March 9th, 2010 at 5:55 am

     Does she haves your email address?

592. marine_wife Says:
     March 9th, 2010 at 6:05 am

     Yes she does..

593. zippy Says:
     March 9th, 2010 at 6:45 am

     ok.
     If she doesn’t that’s alright. I can’t make anyone do anything they don’t want to do.

594. marine_wife Says:
     March 9th, 2010 at 7:09 am

     I understand… just let me know… I can make a temporary email account to give you..

595. Azt Says:
     March 10th, 2010 at 11:05 am

     Hey carmen hey zippy how are you? Has anybody found this site yet that the paramedics story has been confirmed fake? http://Www.youtbe.com/watch?v=rtT32DzHFM

596. Azt Says:
     March 10th, 2010 at 11:32 am

     Hey zippy/carmen have you seen this yet? If the YouTube add doesnot work try it for your self in YouTube it should pull it so why it took 8 mo to confirm the call was fake? And if that is fake where is the real paramedic who came to pick him up Zippy carmen or anybody any answer?

597. Azt Says:
     March 10th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

     ok I saw something on YouTube Tom mesaru was being interviewed by some channel and on one of the question he replied on Michael’s passing with uncertanity here is what he said ‘if he was if he was taken from us’ That to me is a question mark cause he is whom I call one of the top lawyer in the country unless he has some kind of uncertinity about Michae’s death he would never reply with uncertinity I mean a lawyer like that to repeat the word?

598. Azt Says:
     March 10th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

     Here is the link I hope it works http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=9MKVv181Pw4

599. Azt Says:
     March 10th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

     If the above does not work try this http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=9MKVv18IPw4

600. Azt Says:
     March 10th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

     Please everybody try to watch my YouTube post 599 I could not belive it when I saw the guy is clearly as you see Doubting Michae’s death!!!

601. carmen Says:
     March 10th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

     Yes, as soon as I am not driving.

602. carmen Says:
     March 10th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

     Well thank you, I always work well with lawyer! I agree with everything they said and I finally found a motive for forcing Michael to fake his death that I think can stand up in court based on the evidence presented! I’ve been formulating the statement, lining up the ducks in a row, yesterday all day. I found all the supporting evidence and I am gonna post it sometime tomorrow! I just want to be very clear and explicit when I present this possible motive for forcing Michael to fake his death on June 25th and also further evidence to show Michael had no clue of what was about to happen to him on June 25th, and why it most likely was necessary for Tohmei to force Michael to fake his death and why he would keep Michael alive, if that is what happened!
     Look, I want the post to be very clear, so I took my time to make it right, with couple of citings and you can read it! It’s important that we force the evidence out there and flood the public knowledge with the correct information to force this ‘possible’ kidnappers to let Michael go, so I can use all the help I can get! Thank you!

603. carmen Says:
     March 11th, 2010 at 6:15 am

     LETTER SEND TO CONCERNED FRIENDS ON RESEARCH COMPILED ON MICHAEL JACKSON REGARDING JUNE 25TH!

     ****YOU MAY RESEARCH AND VERIFY ALL THESE FINDINGS, since I am a private citizen, YOU MAY PUBLISH MY FINDINGS AND THIS THEORY BASED ON PUBLIC RECORDED AND REPORTED FACTS I HAVE FOUND AND DOCUMENTED SO FUR***!

     I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO LOOK FOR EVIDENCE AND MISTAKES AND NOT CLUES OUT OF CONCERN FOR POSSIBLE SOURCES OF THE CLUES!!

     THIS THEORY IS BASED ON PUBLIC REPORTS THAT MADE NO SENSE AND SPARKED QUESTIONS AS TO WHAT COULD BE THE POSSIBLE REASON’S BEHIND
     NONSENSE IMPOSSIBLE AND CONTRADICTING COMMON SENSE EXPLANATIONS OFFERED FOR A MAN DECLARED DEAD BY HIS SISTER ETC.!!! THE TRUTH MIGHT BE DIFFERENT BUT I SERIOUSLY HAVE DOUBTS BASED ON MY FINDINGS AND ANALYSIS!!!!

     thank you for that letter from the coroner, I appreciate the copy, if you could try and upload the letter with the official logo and date it was send it could help!

     note; the body at the house was showing lividity at 12:21pm as EMT recorded: meaning it had been dead for at list 1.5 maybe 2 or 3h and the body ID ed by the sisters and the children as “still warm, warm to the touch” at 2:30 pm!
     note: the doctors at the hospitals didn’t sign the ER death certificate and the EMT at first didn’t identify the dead body as Michael Jackson ; some people said they didn’t recognize the body as Michael and wanted to declare him dead on the scene! Maybe the doctors didn’t think the body on their table was Michael Jackson either and could have said they wanted a DNA test which that might be the reason they didn’t want to sign the death certificate!
     I don’t know if you know this, but no body can be discharged at the morgue without the ER death cert. being signed by the doctor.

     ALL italic and underline statements are public reports and public reports!

     Here is a hypothesis on how this possible kidnapping could have been done without any government corruption or bribes! Just a theory based on reported evidence, statements and questionable observations!

     In the ER rooms, they always use curtains, for privacy; when EMT brought in the dead body, the body guards could have already head Michael on another stretcher in the prepared ER room behind the curtains that are kept on all ER rooms for privacy.
     The doctors would run to the body to try and revive it and off course fail, since the body was showing lividity since 12:21pm according to EMT notes and then as usually, when the doctors fail to revive the patient, they usually step out of the room to give the family some privacy. Then, when the family would be taken in for ID and final goodbye, it’s the bodyguards who would take them into the ER room to ID the ‘warm to the touch, still warm, looking like he was sleeping’ Michael.
     All they had to do was pull the curtain over the table with the dead body and pull back the curtains on the real Michael ’still warm to the touch, looking like he was sleeping, still warm…’ and the whole family would recognize Michael.
     [ A good muscle relaxant and that is exactly what a patient looks like, down to the eyelids being relaxed, the body being warm, the pulse is so weak it's impossible to feel, and they look like they are sleeping!]
     Then they had to get the body to the morgue, but the doctors refused to sign the death certificate (probably for the same reason the EMT were said to not have recognized the patient was Michael Jackson when they first entered the rented home, and they wanted to declare him dead on the scene and recorded the body showing lividity at 12:21pm) and the people from the morgue were probably in their way already, and if they would arrive and find a body with an unsigned death certificate, then the morgue personal would probably ask the doctor why they didn’t sign the ER death certificate and if the doctors would say something along the lines of he doesn’t look like Michael Jackson, then a DNA would be ordered in spite of the family ID ; heaven forbid anyone looking behind the other curtain and that could’ve been a real mess, for tohmei and his employees at the hospital, who were observed on the scene at the hospital in charge of security and at Jermain side announcing Michael dead in Tohmei’s presence, in spite of Tohmei being officially fired by Michael for reasons recorded by Michael on tape which range from death threats to fraud.
     Tohmei is the man who hired the bodyguards who brought Michael and who brought Dr. C.Murray,a cardiologist with an expired licence, when Michael asked for a doctor to care for the children and also the bodyguards who introduced in Nurse Lee, when Michael asked for a nutritional/homeopathic nurse for the children’s nutrition - the woman who told investigator’s within hours of Michael’s ‘death’ that she had been ‘begged in March’ by Michael for propofol, in spite of the investigators and public having no idea what caused Michael’s ‘heart attack’!

     Tohmei also being the guy who introduced Michael to AEG Live; an introduction which resulted in a $500mil contract from which, since ‘Dr.’ Tohmei had been fired for fraud and death threats officially by Michael, Mr. tohmei would not see a dime of the commission from investing the $500 mil check or any future earnings of Michael such as the planned future tour of Jackson 5, or the auction of Michael’s personal assets(cancelled by Michael which resulted in threat’s denied by tohmei and reported by Michael’s team in official court documents such as “there will be bloodshed” or any other money from Mr. Jackson!
     Tohmei would not make a dime of managing Michael’s assets if the firing process and asset management had been transferred from tohmei to some other managing corporation after the firing letter, which most likely was not completed because Tohmei according to NBC NEWS(TODAY INVESTIGATES) / Youtube: ‘Shocking Michael Jackson proof that he is alive’, tohmei still remains in charge of managing Michael’s business deals and investments with full legal authority, reports based on court documents obtained by NBC and a short interview tohmei did with NBC after which he declined to talk to NBC NEWS!!

     HERE IS ONE OF THE REASON’S TOHMEI REMAINS IN CHARGE OF MANAGING SOME OF MICHAEL’S ASSETS, AS REPORTED BY NBC, IN SPITE OF HAVING OFFICIALLY BEEN FIRED! THERE ARE CERTAIN LEGAL DOCUMENTS THAT NEED TO BE FILED AT THE COURT HOUSE AND SIGNED BY MICHAEL IN ORDER TO FULLY DISCHARGE TOHMEI FROM MANAGING AND COLLECTING FEES AND COMMISSIONS ON MICHAEL’S ESTATE! JUST FILLING A LETTER IS NOT LEGALLY ENOUGH TO STOP AN ASSET MANGER FROM EXERCISING HIS LEGAL FREEDOM TO MANAGE THE ASSETS AND COLLECT FEES! ONLY FILING THE OFFICIAL FIRING LETTER JUST KICK STARTS THE PROCESS; BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE OTHER DOCUMENTS FILED IN ORDER TO TRANSFER MANAGEMENT OF THE ASSETS BACK TO THE OWNER OR DIFFERENT ASSET MANGER. IF THOSE EXTRA DOCUMENTS ARE NOT FILED TO FINALIZE THE FIRING PROCESS, THEN THE AUTHORITY RETURNS BACK TO THE FORMER MANAGER AND THE DISCHARGE/FIRED LETTER BECOMES NULL!
     GUESS WHAT: MICHAEL ONLY FILED THE OFFICIAL FIRING LETTER AND DID NOT TRANSFER MANAGEMENT OF THE BUSINESS DEALS AND OTHER ASSETS FROM TOHMEI TO THE ESTATE OR ANYONE ELSE! WHEN MICHAEL’S PEOPLE TRIED TO NEGOTIATE ON THE BUSINESS DEALS WITH TOHMEI’S PEOPLE(DEALS SUCH AS THE CANCELLED AUCTION), ACCORDING TO REPORTS GIVEN TO NBC NEWS, TOHMEI’S PEOPLE SAID “there will be bloodshed”, REPORTS LATER DENIED BY TOHMEI AND HIS PEOPLE, YET RECORDED IN COURT DOCUMENTS OBTAINED BY NBC!!!
     IF MICHAEL WOULD NOT BE FOUND ALIVE, AS IT STANDS, ACCORDING TO REPORTS BY NBC NEWS BASED ON COURT DOCUMENTS, TOHMEI STILL IS THE ENTITY IN CHARGE OF SOME OF MICHAEL’S BUSINESS DEALS AS WELL AS ASSETS IN THE HUNDRED’S OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, (DEALS SUCH AS THE AUCTION OF ALL OF MICHAEL’S PERSONAL POSSESSIONS), ETC..AND IF ANYTHING WERE DONE WITH ANY ONE OF THOSE BUSINESS DEALS, TOHMEI HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO WHAT HE CHOOSES IN MANAGING THOSE BUSINESS DEALS/ASSETS AND COLLECT FULL FEES, according to NBC NEWS(TODAY INVESTIGATES) / Youtube: ‘Shocking Michael Jackson proof that he is alive’,
     (IF MICHAEL’S WERE FOUND ALIVE, THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO MICHAEL TO EITHER ALLOW TOHMEI TO MANAGE HIS ASSETS OR FINALIZE THE FIRING PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE MANAGEMENT OF THE ASSETS IS FULLY TRANSFERRED OUT OF TOHMEI’S CONTROL; AS OPPOSE TO ALL POWER REVERTING BACK TO TOHMEI BECAUSE THE FIRING PROCESS AND ASSET TRANSFER HAD NOT BEEN COMPLETED BEFORE JUNE 25TH!!
     MICHAEL FOUND ALIVE WOULD RETURN THE POWER FROM TOHMEI’S TEAM OVER MANAGING MICHAEL’S BUSINESS DEALS BACK TO MICHEAL’S TEAM, if Michael would choose to make that transfer! Otherwise, the estate would need to sew the asset manger which would most likely freeze investments and since tohmei is a managing international investments it would be a headache to even think about tracking how much money was made and where it were invested!
     DON’T FORGET THE BUSINESS DEALS/ ASSETS AND ESTATE ARE TWO SEPARATE COMPANIES! THE ESTATE GETS THE PROFITS GENERATED BY THE ASSET MANAGEMENT! MEANING THE ESTATE GETS WHAT TOHMEI’S TEAM STILL IN CHARGE OF ASSET MANAGEMENT GIVES THEM AFTER ALL EXPENSES AND FEES ARE COLLECTED!!

     The fire alarm at the hospital was pulled and personal/walking patients evacuated to the parking lot of the hospital while the body brought in by EMT was in the ER with the doctors attempting to revive him, as is observed on many news stations.(no fire recorded)

     here is a possible somebody pulled the fire alarm:

     It would be easier for Tohmei and his team to do maneuvers/manipulations/intimidation with a skeleton emergency personal and no patients on the hallways as opposed to everybody poking around and observing a possible ticked off doctors storming out and refusing to sign the death certificate, a probably intimidating strong suggestion to Michael’s sister to sign the death certificate (which she says in two interviews, that ‘they came to me and told me I had to sign the ER death certificate). Maybe either waking up or putting down Michael (could both result on some auch!) that did not need to be heard, plus, even with disguises, it is a lot easier to smuggle an alive Michael in or out of the ER room with only a skeletal emergency personal!

     Then the coroner would get a body, he didn’t know wasn’t Michael, but he would get a body who had been IDed once by the family at the hospital with an invalid ER death cert. signed by Michael’s sister. There would be no reason to question the ID of the body because it had been already IDed at the hospital by the family. Why coroner didn’t do an DNA test? Maybe he didn’t want to bother the family to come to the morgue and ID the body again, once it’s painful enough, so to avoid the hustle of questioning the ER doctors as to why the ER death. cert. was not signed by a doctor and was signed by Michael’s sister, since the body had been IDed once at the hospital by the family, without breaking any laws he issued an valid coroner death certificate based on the Driver’s licence.

     Now here’s the messy part!!
     questionable different descriptions:

     Eye witness accounts reported by the media consistently stayed consistent until the
     4 month delayed autopsy report was released and these consistent eyewitness accounts did not match the details claimed by Dr. C. Murray, Dr. Klein and the the autopsy report did not match what the eyewitness described the body at the morgue/hospital looked like!

     Dr.C. Murray claims he did child CPR on Michael at the house in bed and not a hard surface because Michael was too thin and fragile, which is what the morgue eyewitness confirmed to the media, that the body was incredibly emaciated thin at about 108 to 110p; but, video released by AEG of Michael on June 23 rehearsal, show a healthy, athletic 135p Michael Jackson who was wrapping up a 4h full dress rehearsal not looking too tired and looking more athletic then the background dancers.
     Further, the even stranger notes published of the autopsy report are trying to say the June 23 Michael Jackson rehearsing at Staples Center had degenerative joint disease and severe lung infections which has symptoms that include extreme shortness of breath even when going up the stairs. “youtube: Michael Jackson Death Hoax Chronicles Part 20
     Yet, June 23rd rehearsal video proves Michael to have amazing flexibility and healthy mobility of his joints and not looking out of breath even for a second! That is the man the autopsy report, says was suffering from degenerative joint inflammation and lung infections respiratory disease that cause shortness of breath etc. immobility etc,! ”
     youtube: Michael Jackson-This is it-Rehearsal-Staples Center-June 23, 2009

     At list the autopsy report noted Michael at 136p confirming the June 23rd rehearsal video;
     BUT in direct contradiction to Dr. C. Murray’s claims that Michael was to fragile to receive adult CPR on a hard surface and in contradiction with dozens of media reports which quoted sources at the morgue and hospital saying the body was emaciated thin anything between 108p to 110p which is directly contradicted by video of the rehearsal on June 23, 2009! “youtube: Michael Jackson-This is it-Rehearsal-Staples Center-June 23, 2009″

     The contradictions continue when sources at many different TV media and news companies reported consistently the body observed at the morgue as Michael, showed a dark whole instead of a nose as a result of a missing prosthesis! Dozens of nurses and doctors were said to have paraded by the body to take a final look at Michael Jackson’s body the night before the autopsy; the body was on a table, under a light, described wearing black trousers, bruised chest and missing a nasal prosthesis etc. by different news media with different sources from the same place - the morgue!
     Just before the missing nasal prosthesis news broke to the media, Dr. Klein went on Larry King, and without being asked, stopped Larry from talking and said that he wants to make something clear to everyone and wants “everyone to know, that Michael Jackson(his patient of 20 yrs.) does not have a nasal prosthesis and Michael had been receiving injectable fillers treatments for 6 month twice a month, which are only possible to administer in the nose natural cartilage, to thicken the nose and make it look more masculine; but impossible to administer in a prosthesis. Dr. Klein made these very clear to Larry King and his viewers days before the nasal prosthesis news broke to the media. After that Dr. Klein said that he was one of the first to use injectable fillers in LA and so on! But the even more interesting thing is that Dr. Klein made this statement before the news media reported eyewitness at the morgue saw the body of Michael showing a dark whole instead of where there was suppose to be a nose, indicating a missing prosthesis! The official autopsy report notes make no mention a missing nasal prosthesis.

     ROLLING STONES MAGAZINE QUOTE:

     ‘MICHAEL JACKSON’S BODY LAY ON A METAL GURNEY, in the county morgue in downtown Los Angeles. He was dressed in shiny black trouser, a thin hospital gown and nothing else. His feet were bare, his left arm scored with needle marks. His pale, narrow chest was covered in bruises - evidence of the medical efforts over the past few hours to save his life. Doctors and security guards milled in and out of the little room containing the gurney, eager to catch a glimpse of Jackson’s body……..By the time the medics arrived, responding to a desperate call to 911 at 12:21pm, they wanted to pronounce him dead on the spot…’
     The Last Days of Michael Jackson
     By Claire Hoffman
     Rolling Stones August 6, 2009, pg 44,
     ‘Jackson’s face,….now lay out in the open, undisguised under the morgue’s harsh lights. The prosthesis he normally attached to his damaged nose was missing, revealing bits of cartilage surrounding a small, dark hole. But to those who passed through the room, Jackson’s face looked porcelain, impeccable. After years of torment, Michael was finally at rest. ‘Seeing him lying there,’ recalls one eyewitness, ‘he looked peaceful.’ It was still a day before the autopsy,…’
     The Last Days of Michael Jackson
     By Claire Hoffman
     Rolling Stones August 6, 2009, pg 46

     Further the June 23 rehearsal pictures of Michael prove that the man at the rehearsal on June 23rd is the real Michael and not a double when observed under a large magnifying glass because he has the unchangeable physical features that can be traced throughout the decades of pictures of Michael, therefore that is the real Michael Jackson; features such as the forehead and shape of temples and size of skull, and jaw/skin connection to the neck near the ear are all the way to his teenage photographs and decades of public life document Michael Jackson in photographs.
     also in the June 23rd rehearsal, you can observe the work Dr. Klein claims to have performed and gives the nose a fatty thicker look, noticeable on the pictures of the rehearsal on June 23rd BUT NOT NOTICEABLE on the ER gurney picture of Michael! Further, the picture on the ER gurney has different plastic reconstructive work noticeable on the nose ridge, eye brows and eye sockets, and different skin colour and texture , etc. then the photographs dated onJune 23rd, 2 days earlier!
     I personally made these observations -the ER stretcher picture heaving different feature then the the June 23rd rehearsal features- in July 09 and wrote my notes in two different letters I send to different associates of Michael in July ‘09, reports confirmed by Brian Oxman in Feb. 2010 on an official new conference: Youtube: Brian Oxman confirms: Michael Jackson ambulance picture is FAKE!

     Further, the autopsy report says that there was no hair anywhere on the body, except for some light puff on the head, confirmed by eyewitness reports to media from the morgue.

     BUT rehearsal photographs from June 23rd, which show it’s the real Michael Jackson on June 23rd rehearsal, because you can trace his unchangeable feature such as forehead, temples and jaw skin connection to the neck through the pictures taken throughout the years of Michael’s public life, those rehearsal pictures from JUNE 2009, show Michael had shaving irritation, probably from sweating and wiping his face, some irritations real bad! YET, the autopsy report is very clear that there was no hair at all anywhere on the body except for a little short puff on the head!
     THE EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS of what the body looked like at the morgue did not match video proof of Michael Jackson on June 23 and Michael’s medical records!

     The JUNE 23rd rehearsal video DID MATCH the UNCHANGEABLE SKULL FEATURES of Michael Jackson TRACEABLE through the YEARS of PICTURES and VIDEO of Michael Jackson, PROVING that the man on JUNE 23rd rehearsal was MICHAEL JACKSON , AND the JUNE 23rd rehearsal matches Dr. Kline’s MEDICAL RECORDS reported by Dr. Klein on Larry King, and matches DESCRIPTIONS of Michael’’s PHYSICAL and EMOTIONAL CONDITION and LIFESTYLE described publicly by many of MICHAEL’S ASSOCIATES and ATTORNEYS and FRIENDS NOT CONNECTED TO
     dr. tohmei tohmei AS WELL AS THE DESCRIPTION THE KIDS REMEMBERED AS A SOBER LOVING RESPONSIVE FATHER WITH NO NEEDLE MARKED VEINS!

     (NOTE: Dr. C. Murray said he had to stick Michael in the neck vein with a needle because
     all of Michael’s other veins were too needle riddle and collapsed for Dr. C. Murray to get a vein anywhere on the body except on the neck!)

     The eye witness accounts stayed consistent and similar as reported on dozen of media sources until 4 month after June 25th, and weeks after the funeral, when the autopsy report was released.

     Here’s another thing : according to NBC NEWS records, Tohmei, in spite of having been officially fire by Michael continues to manage Michael’s assets still to today and is also the man that organized an auction of all of Michael’s personal belongings before June 25th, an auction Michael never gave his final signature and called off in MARCH once he announced the $500 million contract with AEG in march, sparking a squable between tohmei’s team and Michael’s team over the cancelled auction were Michael’s team reported Tohmei’s team to have threatened with “there will be bloodshed” If the auction would have gone through off course Tohmei would have made fees and commission in the millions of dollars; but since Michael changed his mind and refused to sign the auction papers and informed his lawyer he is calling off the plan for an auction, mr tohmei could not be making any money off that organized auction either and he cannot sew Michael for calling off the auction, because the papers for the auction were never signed by Michael!
     THE “there will be bloodshed” threat recorded by Michael’s team in March from tohmei’s team added to Michael’s recorded fears of tohmei and recorded accusation of fraud against tohmei from earlier, resulted in Michael officially firing tohmei but not transfering asset managment to a different asset mamgement company before June 25th!,

     ( * Note : reason’s for firing tohmei: 1 death threats reported by Michael’s team over negociacians with tohmei’s team on the called off actions AND

     2.fraud accusations by Michael recorded on tape at Michael’s request, tapes made separetely from Michael’s ‘contract team’, at an earlier date then the “there will be bloodshed” threat reported in documents by Michael’s team. These tapes made with the assistence of one of Michael’s persoanl advisor, by Michael, in fear of his life from tohmei, to be released in case something happends to him ! Michael accuses tohmei on these tapes, of making him live in fear for his life, signing checks and making financial decisions against Michael’s will and / or without informing Michael, and preventing Michael from contacting his accountants and other financial assocites to know what was being done with his assets!

     * the “there will be bloodshed’ theat reported by Michael’s team and denied by tohmei’s team is recorded and reported along side court obtained documents reported by NBC NEWS ),NBC NEWS(TODAY INVESTIGATES) / Youtube: ‘Shocking Michael Jackson proof that he is alive’, REPORTING DR. TOHMEI AS A MAN WHO CALLS HIMSELF A DOCTOR BUT HAS NO MEDICAL DEGREE AND CLAIMS TO BE THE AMBASSADOR OF SENEGAL: YET THE SENEGAL EMBASSY IN WASHINGTON DENIES TO HAVE EVER HEARD OF “DR” TOHMEI TOHMEI!!
     Self proclaimed ‘dr’ tohmei tohmei would not make a dime of AEG contract, or the auction that he tohmei organized, OR ANY FUTURE ASSETS OF MICHAEL IF MICHAEL WOULD HAVE GONE AHEAD WITH COMPLETING THE FIRING PROCESS MICHAEL STARTED IN MARCH BY TRANSFERRING ASSET MANAGEMENT FROM TOHMEI TO A DIFFERENT ASSET MANGER!
     Michael, in spite of officially firing Tohmei, DID NOT transfer asset management to a different asset manager, those, upon him being declared dead, the assets manged by dr. tohmei remain still under his management and off course investment fee collection and all other expenses before any profit goes to the estate mangers! NBC NEWS reports “Dr” Tohmei Tohmei remains in charge of the assets he use to mange before June 25th, before and after Michael fired tohmei officially in March !
     NBC NEWS(TODAY INVESTIGATES) / Youtube: ‘Shocking Michael Jackson proof that he is alive’

     June 25th: Michael gets into a car at midnight, leaving his rehearsal, goes to a home containing his 3 little kids, all the bodyguards hired by tohmei, the Dr. C. Murray (cardiologist with more the $700K in debt, and an expired licence) introduced by the bodyguards HIRED BY TOHMEI when Michael asked for a doctor for the kids, and somewhere out there, a Nurse Lee is ready to spring into action and inform everyone Michael “begged” her for propofol in March, heaven forbid the police try to investigate any other leads!
     Strangely enough, according to NBC NEWS(TODAY INVESTIGATES) / Youtube: ‘Shocking Michael Jackson proof that he is alive’, ( the financial advisor tohmei tohmei remains in charge Michael’s assets according to NBC, and is quite legally able to manipulate, sell, invest, move any assets and earn fees and commission on all transactions!
     I heard on a TV news stations a rumor that the auction of Michael’s personal belongings from Neverland might go ahead, since ‘dr’ tohmei tohmei is still in charge of Michael’s assets according to NBC NEWS, he will off course earn a commission in the millions of dollars! Further, any other assets under Tohmei can be manipulated by tohmei since he remains in charge of managing Michael’s assets according to NBC NEWS(TODAY INVESTIGATES) / Youtube: ‘Shocking Michael Jackson proof that he is alive’, !

     If Michael is alive, then I wouldn’t think it would be a stretch, to guess that if tohmei, the man who Michael accused on recorded tape of forging his signature while alive, could convince a declared dead still alive Michael to sign anything!

     4 month after death and a week after the funeral is when the autopsy report was released!

     You have to realize, the coroner issued a real valid death certificate entered for court document based on the driver’s license with an ER death certificate signed by Michael’s sister! It is not an illegal act! It could have been an innocent mistake that he didn’t check why the doctors didn’t sign the death certificate.

     Note: no matter what the case is, IF MICHAEL KNEW ABOUT THE EVENTS OF JUNE 25TH PRIOR TO JUNE 25th, HIS CHILDREN WOULD NOT HAVE CRIED A SINGLE TEAR! Michael was an abused child and suffered a lot, and in his adult years, he suffered even more emotional abuse because of false accusations and the paparazzi. Michael would never allow his kids to be exposed to this kind off suffering, trauma, and tear all displayed for everyone to see and enjoy on TV!
     Unless, with some sort of force, on June 25th Michael was forced to cooperate!
     Remember: MICHAEL WILL AGREE TO ANYTHING TO PROTECT HIS KIDS!

     (What Michael needs to know now, if he is alive:
     1.at this point in time, nobody can harm his children without exposing themselves as the criminals!
     2. the only place he - Michael Jackson - can be safe is in the public eye where he can have control of his asset and be the most able person to either decide to keep or fire dr tohmei tohmei. As long as Michael is declared dead, tohmei remains in charge of the assets assigned to him and any future earnings and financial manipulation from and of those assets under tohmei’s managment UNLESS THE ESTATE CHOSES TO SEW TOHMEI
     - not an easy process - AND, If everyone knows Michael as alive, it would be a lot harder to manipulate anyone into harming Michael because everyone would be accountable to the public and law if Michael were publicly announced as alive!!)

     NOBODY WANTED TO DO A DNA TEST! Not especially, the people who told Michael’s sister she had to sign that ER death certificate, which had to be Tohmei and his employees because I am sure the doctors were not the one’s to tell Michael’s sister to sign the ER death certificate and Tohmei and his employees were the ones at the hospital observed on CNN and dozen of other news stations in spite of Tohmei having been fired from Michael’s contract and having no authority to be running Michael’s affairs and I am sure Michael’s mother didn’t tell her daughter to sign the death certificate!

     My question, to everybody, HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, IF my THEORY BASED ON RECORDED / REPORTED PUBLIC FACTS is correct, once Michael would have been taken from the morgue and from anyone who could harm his kids, what do you think it would take to break him down to get him to agree to anything the ‘BAD GUYS’ might have wanted? Hypothetically speaking, given Michael’s lack of ’street smarts’ and observed stubborn personality, what do you think, hypothetically speaking would take to make Michael cooperate?!?!
     Don’t answer me, just picture it, because I don’t think, sedatives alone, would make someone like Michael cooperate, don’t answer, just wonder!

     Note: the body at the mausoleum is not under six feet of dirt, it’s in a private shelve, in an private camera monitored hallway, where anyone with a little money can make the camera malfunction and the guard go for a cigarette and with a simple code pull the shelve open and have full access to the casket without a speck of dust out of place. The reason I am saying this, is to point out that if something would happen now, to an alive Michael, all the bad guys got to do is get around a set of cameras and a sleepy body guard to switch the dead body with the real Michael’s body, if Michael were to die at a later date then June 25th.

     here is a letter I received from a concerned researcher!

     On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:04 PM, **** wrote:

     I noticed you talk about DNA on the web site. A woman from our group screen name (Doreentbird) mailed Craig Harvey about the identification procedure for Michael. Just thought I would share it with you……interesting hey?
     Below is the question and response;

     HEY ALL…I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU. I SENT CRAIG HARVEY AN EMAIL LAST WEEK ASKING HIM WHAT METHODS THEY USED TO IDENTIFY MICHAELS “BODY” FOR EXAMPLE DNA,DENTAL RECORDS, ETC.
     HERE IS HIS RESPONSE!
     The body was identified by his California driver’s license. We do not use DNA or dental records in cases unless the ID cannot be established through other means. Due to the cost of DNA, it is a last resort. We typically use dental records in cases involving fire or severe trauma or decomposition. None of those were a factor here.

     Craig R. Harvey, F-ABMDI
     Chief Coroner Investigator & Chief of Operations
     Department of Coroner
     County of Los Angeles
     1104 North Mission Road
     Los Angeles, CA 90033
     FAX (323) 224-3920
     by doreentbird» Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:36 pm charvey@coroner.lacounty.gov

604. carmen Says:
     March 11th, 2010 at 7:10 am

     Well, the italic and underline did not copy into the post. I will post by the end of the week, a list of most of the explanations and reported details without any theory ! I thought the italic and underline would copy into here also but it didn’t ! A list will be provided of all the actual public explanations and observations and publicly reported facts backing the above theory!

605. zippy Says:
     March 11th, 2010 at 7:13 am

     Azt,

     I am doing good.

     That youtube link isn’t bringing up the topic. Do you know the name of it specifically? That way I can just type it in and go straight to it.

606. Azt Says:
     March 11th, 2010 at 8:03 am

     Hey zippy have u tried my 599 post I think that one works if not I will post again Tom Messru is showing some doubts about Michael’s death I mean what could be more than this? I am sure you know now the 911 call was confirmed fake too by LAPF so where did the call the paramedic from if that one is fake?

607. zippy Says:
     March 11th, 2010 at 8:47 am

     Yes, I looked at it. Interesting. Wow!

     Marine, yeah send me another email if you can please.

     Hello, to the rest of you.

     Justice will prevail through

608. Azt Says:
     March 11th, 2010 at 9:28 am

     Hey Zippy did you get a chance to seethe 911 one which is also had been fake on you tube it is funny how the lady repeats everything they were saying and confirmed it as not being a standard procedure and why again it is taking this long to confirm?

609. marine_wife Says:
     March 11th, 2010 at 9:52 am

     See if this will give you the full report Zippy

     (It appears to be the same document I have)

     http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0208_mj_case_report_wm.pdf

610. Azt Says:
     March 11th, 2010 at 10:32 am

     Ok I have seen this 51page autopsy report three weeks ago that was what freaked me out hey carmen this was what I was mentioning about ok how come hair color says brown I thought Michael’s natural hair color was black even when he was little so zippy what is your intake on Marin’s post? Or carmen or anybody?

611. Azt Says:
     March 11th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

     Ok now I feel much better atlist for now that talked about the 51 page autopsy is wrong watch I hope it works http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=cg-7BoWyeJw

612. marine_wife Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 4:40 am

     Let’s take a minute and focus on the report.

     The coroner’s seal on the autopsy report expired in 2004. Starting in 2004, they changed the seal - which is currently being used today. Now.. the toxicology reports have the new seal HOWEVER the blood was drawn on a patient by the name of “Trauma, Gershwen”. By law, the blood tubes MUST be labeled “Jackson, Michael”

     It even gets better.

     The ENTIRE austopsy report was dictated on 9-26-2009 INLCUDING the OPINION on toxicology results. THE ENTIRE DICTATION was typed on 6-30-2009. The toxicology results were not even in until 7-15-2009 as dated on the toxicology reports. You CAN NOT dictate and transcribe toxicology reports that aren’t even in yet!!!!!

     Nothing about the autopsy report in authentic. Look at the dates of dictation, dates of transcription, legal seals, and pay attention to the “legal” details. How the tubes were labeled, for example.

     Those are the two biggies for me. Some more examples are:

     After 18 hours the blood was still liquid

     After 18 hours the body didn’t show full rigor mortis

     There are three different names on the document - Michael Jackson, Michael J Jackson, Michael Joseph Jackson

     Identification through drivers license. There are fingerprints available of MJ, and they said the took fingerprints at the coroner’s office as well… yet they apparently didn’t have a match since they i.d.’d him through drivers license

     Pepsi burn is not mentioned

     The bump on his wrist is not mentioned

     The added chin cleft was not mentioned

     Lupus not mentioned

     Resipratory bronchiolitis?? He didn’t seem out of breath during TII. Seems like he would have showed some signs of exhaustion prior to his “death”. Surely not up on a stage belting out lyrics and dancing

     There has been claims of his height being wrong on the report. In 2003 - MJ’s mugshot he was 5′11″… because he was wearing shoes in the picture. On the autopsy table he would not have been wearing shoes… so perhaps 5′9″ would be about right???

     These are just some of MANY inconsistencies…

613. marine_wife Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 4:50 am

     Differences of seals. The black and white seal is the seal used in MJ’s report. The colored seal is the seal that is currently being used today.

     http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9775/coroner1.jpg

614. zippy Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 6:59 am

     Hi, everyone,

     Hi Marine, i clicked on it and 51 pages of it came up? is that right?

615. Azt Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 7:00 am

     Oh my I honestly did freaked out when I saw this autopsy three weeks ago now it seems like a joke I mean since when Michael’s hair is brown? Are they crazy ok we are getting there Keep the Faith!!!

616. zippy Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 7:04 am

     Okay.
     Carmen, I got your email and thank you. I did email that and I am reading and I am going to reply back to you on some of what you have enclosed.

617. Azt Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 7:20 am

     Hey zippy how are you? Yes that is the one that I saw three weeks ago and freaked out but now I searched Michael’s driver license from 1993 I guess when he renew it hair color says black think about it info on driver license does not change I mean about your natural look and think about it THEY SAID HE WAS IDED BY HIS DRIVER LICENSE I mean the body if his hair was black then why is it brown on the autopsy result that right there confirms it wrong!!!

618. marine_wife Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 7:21 am

     51 pages would be correct

619. toolsgrl Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 7:25 am

     I have one question… if tohmei wanted to keep access to all of michaels money, and total control, why didnt he just kill him? Why go through the trouble of acting like Michael was dead when there would be so many clues? Why tr and kill someone else who isn’t michael so they could kidnap him? Why would he go through this kind of trouble when it would have been easier for him to just kill him? Kidnapping him makes no sense, just more trouble for him.

620. zippy Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 8:09 am

     Thanks Marine. :)

621. marine_wife Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 8:14 am

     Glad to help

622. carmen Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 9:16 am

     Well, Michael was broke, except for an advance in the millions of dollars, his real money and assets were reported to be only in future earnings! The estate was in debt and about to be foreclosed, any real significant money is in Michael’s future earnings! As fur as I could find, on June 25th, Michael’s assets were depending on the contract with AEG!! He was even considering auctioning personal stuff, he wasn’t cash poor because of some advance in the millions of dollars from AEG, and future contracts! Now I am not saying Tohmai did something for sure, but it’s only natural theory to explain what appears as untruthful explanations in my logical opinion based on my research, I do not think it’s unnatural to suspect a guy that made Michael make tapes in fear of him being a threat, and a guy other people have made allegations that he threatened their lives, allegations he denied, and a guy who was reported fired by an official later signed by Michael and backed by statements made by Michael’s manager and a
     copy of that firing letter by NBC! Then, the same guy, who made Michael according to Michael and associates, fear for his life seen on TV, at the hospital, along side Jermanin declaring Michael dead, on what turned
     to homicide charges and very absurd explanations for what happen to Michael on June 25th! Anyway, I am tired and I still have a lot to do!! Feel free to check/ correct/ and add these published reports, THAT IS HOW EVIDENCE IS DISCOVERED, which in spite of being published, it doesn’t mean it’s correct or honest, especially. when it comes to the statements made by the people around Michael in and around June 25th who are giving the questionable and odd answers to what happened! Explanations almost impossible to confirm 100% when the security computer system has a missing tape and missing portions of the main computer that regulates the 24h security recordings in the house!
     Remember: simply cause somebody says something, especially people who stand to be affected financially by a situation, it doesn’t mean it’s the truth or that we should not question! Otherwise, if we believe everything that people say without questioning obvious inconsistencies or explanations that contradict common sense, then we would live in a totalitarian world not a democratic one! Question everything: between all that we are saying here for A MAN’S LIVE OR DEATH, WE ARE ALL SEEKING the truth! If he is alive, I would never question any explanation he would give; if he is dead, like they say, even in the courts, there is always room for bringing news evidence in cases, sometimes even decades after the crime! Ask?! DON’T BELIEVE ME ASK!! THAT’s what I think based on my research happened, it’s ONE POSSIBLE THEORY ! I have to work now! Goodnight and I really thinks it’s great to see you all work on these! Marine wife IN LIGHT OF YOUR REASERCH, YOU ARE NOT IGNORANT and NOT STUPID!
     JUST REMEMBER, SOMEWHERE OUT THERE, THERE COULD STILL BE BREATH IN MICHAEL still BREATHING one way or another, OR ‘a man slaughtered’ father!!

623. Azt Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

     Ok I Researched and there are so many Dr coopers in Ucla the first name is not mentioned. is that normal on autopsy reoport does anybody know? Or does anybody know what is the first name of Dr cooper?

624. carmen Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

     Ok, I hate to do look again at the autopsy report especially since I ripped the first notes of that autopsy report because of the inconsistencies, but I will take a look at the official final report, released in February 2010!

     I need help tracing a document, Michael’s official letter firing Tohmei from representing him! It was signed by Michael and people representing Michael talk about it, so it’s real; but were was it filed? Was it mailed to Tohmei, who advice or assisted Michael in writing / sending that letter and who has that letter currently? Did Tohmei get that letter? Is it officially filed with any court or just mailed? It does not need to filed with the court to be fully effective, unless used in a legal process; but I was just wondering what was done with the official firing letter once signed by Michael.

625. carmen Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

     Ok, I hate to do look again at the autopsy report especially since I ripped the first notes of that autopsy report because of the inconsistencies, but I will take a look at the official final report, released in February 2010!

     I need help tracing a document, Michael’s official letter firing Tohmei from representing him! It was signed by Michael and people representing Michael talk about it, so it’s real; but were was it filed? Was it mailed to Tohmei, who advice or assisted Michael in writing / sending that letter and who has that letter currently? Did Tohmei get that letter? Is it officially filed with any court clerk or just mailed? It does not need to filed with the court to be fully effective; but I was just wondering what was done with the official firing letter once signed by Michael.

626. mike has a message Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

     hey guys see you have got a lot going on in here …marine wife how is your hubby,sorry havent even been able to check on him or michael been very busy my father in law is down with cancer so have been away for a bit,didnt have time to come in here and check out every thing see some new links from i think zippy and atz gonna see if i can go check them out…read threw some of the stuff pretty much just skimmed threw,mabey some one can just give me some of the most important stuff that i can catch up on.post 569 i asked a question and even said i didnt want no bickering any more and you came back at me with that i thought for a min every one was getting a long,marine wife my email is mrsgreen34@aol.com please mail me any thing you have found out or any important things i can go threw i cant keep skimming threw all this and get slammed for asking any questions,i dont have a lot of time on my hands right now for researching things as much as i love michael and would love to help find out what happend my father in law is sick,i have things i have to do,
     thank you and all of you god bless ya have a good day

627. carmen Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

     For a copy of the Michael’s official letter firing Tohmei check NBC Today’s Show investigates or watch this you tube clip of the news on youtube!
     NBC NEWS(TODAY INVESTIGATES) / Youtube: ‘Shocking Michael Jackson proof that he is alive’, !

     One more thing I want to summarize: the ER doctor in charge of carrying for the body the EMT brought in as Michael Jackson and Dr. C. Murray both refused to sign the death certificate, the coroner IDed the body by the driver’s license, the coroner took fingerprints of the body BUT did not compare the fingerprints of the body to the fingerprints on file of the living Michael Jackson, at list did not compare the finger prints while people could have access to the body and verify those fingerprints and basically ‘the family’ asked Latoya, in her scientific qualified medical opinion ’since she was close’ to Michael, to sign the death certificate as an ‘informant’ providing the ID information on a death certificate both ER and personal physician who witnessed the death refused to sign and no doctor would volunteer to sign in that hospital! I don’t doubt for a second that the man Latoya IDed was the real Michael, ‘warm to the touch’ ‘looking like he was sleeping’ etc. I don’t doubt the man the family and friends
     cried over ’still warm’ was the real Michael!

     I don’t doubt the doctor’s and EMT who said the body they worked on was dead and all reviving attempts failed! No wonder, the EMT recorded that body showing lividity at 12:21pm, that’s impossible to revive at 2:30pm!

     I doubt that the family was starring at the same body the doctors were starring at!

     Look Latoya is a very intelligent worldly woman and do are the kids and mother and mangers and friends; but non of them are medical doctors! They can’t tell the difference between an unconscious / anesthetized / knocked out man and a clinically dead man! Both the ER and personal doctor who witnessed the death and failed attempted to revive refused to sign the ER death certificate for a reason!!!
     Look Latoya and all the people who Ided the body were not doctors and all said the body looked like he was sleeping and felt warm! How can they tell ‘warm to the touch’ still warm was not vital signs! How can they know the difference between a ‘looking like he was sleeping’, ’still warm’ Michael and a body who stopped breathing at min. 11:21am that morning and was recorded as showing lividity at 12:21 pm?!
     How can Latoya, in her medical opinion lift up the sheet and say everything looked alright be sufficient scientific proof that the man she IDed as Michael, which I am sure is Michael, didn’t have any unusual bruises on the back arms, back of the head, unusual smell of chemicals around the nose, unusual bruises under his armpits etc.
     I am sure she answered IDed the real Michael and so did the kids and family and friends; but non of those people know how to scientifically check the difference between a ‘warm to the touch’/ ‘looking like he was sleeping’ ’still warm’ 4 hours ago stopped breathing dead body and a ’still warm’, ‘warm to the touch’, ‘looking like he was sleeping’ unconscious Michael!
     That is the Latoya and the friends and kids is the only official, with Latoya as the informant, Identification and proof that the real Michael was in that hospital! But non of those people who IDed Michael through personal knowledge know how to medically and scientifically verify the difference between a knocked out/unconscious man an a clinically dead man who stopped breathing 4h ago minimum! THE ER DOCTOR AND DR. C. Murray witnessed the failed reviving attempts and death but refused to sign the death certificate for a reason!

628. Azt Says:
     March 12th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

     Hey carmen michael has a message how are u guys michael has a message sorry about your father in law God bless any ways if you look at the autopsy report from Feb the 51 page report that marine-wife posted which I also saw three weeks ago his hair color on his driver license discription is black not brown so if the ided him by that that would be a real fake ok this is for everybody look at the latest autopsy report from marine and go google Michael’s driver license and see it for your self for me honestly after Tom mesaru made that statment I know there is a very good chance that Michael did not die on June 25th:)…

629. zippy Says:
     March 13th, 2010 at 3:36 am

     Hello to everyone.

     Check this out:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyUHQqQBKHU&feature=related

630. Azt Says:
     March 13th, 2010 at 6:55 am

     Hey zippy thank you this was back in summer I have seen it there is Raymone I have met her in person aswell I was very happy when she was around him I thought she really protected him don’t know what happened at the end:)…

631. carmen Says:
     March 13th, 2010 at 8:06 am

     Who’s pee in the bottle?

632. marine_wife Says:
     March 13th, 2010 at 8:56 am

     Probably Gershwin Trauma’s - since it’s supposedly his blood in the tubes LOL.

     Who is “Trauma Gershwin” anyway?? There is a famous composer by the name of George Gershwin with his most famous song being “It Ain’t Necessarily So”.

     Odd?

633. Azt Says:
     March 13th, 2010 at 8:58 am

     Hey carmen are u talking about the autopsy?

634. marine_wife Says:
     March 13th, 2010 at 9:01 am

     I think she’s talking about the closed bottle of urine found at the end of the bed.

635. carmen Says:
     March 13th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

     Yeah, sorry, I’m trying to absorb all these stuff! Yes, it’s unusual that he would call in the middle of the night because he was dehydrated and could not sleep! Michael had been up early that day was in meetings for hours and had a full 6 hour dress rehearsal that went quit good! I am sure that during the dance and after, to be able to dance and sing you need to have liquids and stay well watered for the aggressive routine, or you’ll pass out! Being a heavy and athletic routine his body should have been drinking water as soon as he stopped dancing because when you dance/sing athletically as soon as you stop, you will want to have a drink of water! After the rehearsal, he spend time with his friends, at least 1 hour before heading home. In that time he would have had to be drinking some kind of water, energy drink, it would be silly to think that he didn’t drink enough water after a 6 hour full dress rehearsal!
     So for Michael to call at 1 am dehydrated, that sounds more like a person who’s been sleeping the whole day and didn’t have a drink of water, not like someone gulping through a heavy aerobic routine! Plus, not be able to sleep after that heavy routine, insomnia is always beat by exhaustion! For Michael to not be exhausted after hours of meetings and 6h full dress rehearsal?!?!

     **at first glance on the autopsy report, I am just looking through it, there is a mention of a long serious list of pulmonary diseases, I need to find what are the symptoms of all of those respiratory disease; but I’ve never seen even the slightest evidence on all of Michael’s news, This is it footage of any kind of serious respiratory problem!
     Look, I traced the features of the man dancing in the 23 of June, the unchangeable features, magnifying and microscope; his features are similar to all of Michael’s pictures through out the decades and that is the real Michael dancing on June 23, but I never would have guessed that man had anything even close to what this poor guy shows on his lungs in the autopsy report!

     **also, in some of the up close photographs of Michael from This is it you can see some bad shaving irritation, which stays consistent, and the autopsy on page 4 says the last line says ‘a mustache and beard are absent.
     **also, wasn’t there a story out there, said something about Michael having some serious injury that prevented him from having children as a result of a kick from his father in the lower groin?! The A.R. says that area is ‘unremarkable and without trauma’ well, his doctors know that better!

     What I suggest we all do, is try and find all of Michael’s previous medical records, injuries, hey didn’t he have some injury falling of a stage a few years ago? Find me please any of Michael’s old medical history! I will get started on the side effects of these shocking pulmonary conditions!! Hey, I never even sow him gasp or caught once!!! How ta heck could he have such a bad respiratory problems and we never heard of it!! I heard about the groin injury for years, and I wasn’t even a fan! We heard everything about these man, but we never,I never heard about these serious long term lung conditions!!
     Michael had a doctor for everything; but didn’t have a lung doctor! If he had such bad respiratory problems why didn’t he have a lung doctor?! If anyone finds any evidence of long tern treatment of for years offered to Michael for respiratory/lung diseases let me know please!

     Also, doesn’t propofol change the color of urine ? I’ve got to find out what are the long term effects of propofol after 6weeks of use on all the organs! Yach, my mother would be good at these, she’s a doctor I hate medical stuff!! Look, they did the autopsy on some guy, if it was not Michael it wouldn’t be bad to find out who he was, although I seriously doubt that is possible!!
     As fur as the hair being brown, on the top page, the hair is recorded as black hair and tightly curled on pg 4 A.R.

636. Azt Says:
     March 13th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

     Hey carmen this was what freaked me out to begin with I saw this three weeks ago I now think or even belive this is fake it is coming out now in the recent news the Heraldo Rivera was discussing that how the media had a bad influence over him and at the end the fox 5 guy talks about his death is becoming errie like elvis I don’t belive elvis is alive but watch I hope it is the wright link:).. http://Www.YouTube.com/watch?v=zGZjSTHVBE

637. Azt Says:
     March 13th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

     If it is not the wright link will post it tomorrow!!!

638. carmen Says:
     March 13th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

     Holly God! I’ve got some interesting observations! Good news first: there is no mention at all of the burn from the pepsi commercial, or the skin grafting I heard Michael had endured because of lupus and severe skull burns!
     Check: Neuropathology ph 1 under circumstances, 3rd paragraph, says ‘no scalp..abnormalities’ he should have had some burn scars from the ‘pepsi accidental fire’ and again, on the autopsy check list scalp is noted as normal the handwriting.

     The Anesthesiology Consultation:: HOLY GOD!!! It had me laughing it had me crying! It shows, to me, I don’t know what anyone else sees, but to me, who ever they put down, I hope it wasn’t Michael because this anesthesiology report shows, through my understanding, that whom ever got put down, nobody wanted waking up other then the paramedic and hospital stuff!!!
     This poor guy got it and got it bad!!! I cannot understand how the circumstances of Dr. C. Murray’s explanation coupled with this shocking anesthesiology consultation of these observations, I cannot understand how it doesn’t show premeditated murder, weather it was Michael or someone else!!! From my observations, There was nothing done to ensure these man wakes up ! And C. Murray said he only gave Michael one bottle of propofol but there were a hole bunch of other empty bottles! These house has a cleaning crew for sure, and those people would have taken the empty vials away every morning! Plus, to have that much probafol in all of his body not get absorbed to even have it in his stomach?!?! Injected into the neck with a catheter in the leg, that seems to me like a lot more then one bottle of propofol it seems to my untrained common eyes like several bottles of propofol, more like the bottle found with the IV and all the other empty bottles!! There was no monitors at the scene, a blood pressure meter and an
     oxymeter were in a closet in the other room. An oxygen tank, with a non-breathing bag was the only reviving equipment
     Multiple bottles of propofol with small amounts of remaining drug were found! Why didn’t the cleaning woman take that when she cleaned the house! The amount of the propafol was enough for general major surgery (intra-abdominal) , during these kind of surgery a patient would be incubated and ventilated, and any cardiovascular depressions noted and treated!!! All mixed with the other drugs! An elephant would have died!!

     I don’t think based on my research, which I could be wrong, but I will not believe it until scientific proof I can trust is done as opposed to what seems to me as avoiding scientific ID; but I don’t believe these man, on whom these autopsy is made is really the same Michael Jackson we saw on June 23 who very much looks like the real Michael Jackson, but God, I cannot imagine how those absurd explanations C. Murray provided, and the lies that show, added to this anesthesiology consultation does not result in murder one!! Look: i will go over all his explanations and findings in close details and let you make up your mind!! I will need a week for that and research on these A.R. JUST read the anesthesiology consultations !!! And read the conditions of the lungs and look at June 23 rehearsal!

639. carmen Says:
     March 13th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

     First; with all do respect AZT, Michael sadly had a very hard time getting people to respect him and his trials and tribulations, please, do not dare to post anything about elvis, god damn aliens, or something else that could discredit the evidence! You feel like talking about aliens or elvis do it on an alien or elvis site!!

     2nd: Dr. Klein, whom has treated Michael for more then 20years, made it clear, that one off the first observations of Michael when he first gave him a consultation was that Michael had Lupus and bad burns scars on his head! Non of those are mentioned here!!

     3rd: there seems to me, I could be misunderstanding but a small piece of gauze was found on the tip of his nose and an ETT, held in place with medical tape. Why was there a gauze on his nose?
     Remember the Rolling Stone Magazine,

     ‘Jackson’s face,….now lay out in the open, undisguised under the morgue’s harsh lights. The prosthesis he normally attached to his damaged nose was missing, revealing bits of cartilage surrounding a small, dark hole. But to those who passed through the room, Jackson’s face looked porcelain, impeccable. After years of torment, Michael was finally at rest. ‘Seeing him lying there,’ recalls one eyewitness, ‘he looked peaceful.’ It was still a day before the autopsy,…’
     The Last Days of Michael Jackson
     By Claire Hoffman
     Rolling Stones August 6, 2009, pg 46

     Remember: Dr. Klein’s reaction even before, I heard these news, he went on Larry King, saying he wanted everyone to know Michael’s nose did not have a disattachable piece,and that he had been treating Michael with reconstructive injectable fillers only capable of being injected in natural nose cartilage and not a prosthesis! Also I heard a rumor, I am not sure were, maybe here, that the family said something about his face being damaged!!!
     IF the body had a prosthesis it’s more understandable the face was damaged during reviving, but how ta heck can you damage a man’s face if nothing comes off? Hey I wasn’t there, but other people were and those people are telling two different stories?! I will say this thou, on the June 23 rehearsal and This is it. Photographs, you can under close observation, see the work done by Dr. Klein looking like injectable fillers! I don’t know, but we should definitely try to obtain as much as legally possible information on living Michael Jackson medical history! It’s the only way we can verify his identity as compared to these autopsy report!! The good thing is that Michael had a zillion doctors for everything imaginable but not for respiratory pulmonary problems that I have heard off!!! We should see what they say and if any off them come up with he begged them for propofol, that’s one of the doctors he probably fired!!!

     But, according to Dr. Klein’s medical records, if the body had a prosthesis which could come off the face, it seems to me that Dr. Klein’s records are not exactly reflecting the autopsy records!!
     I saw something about skin grafting, I don’t remember were, it was a long time ago, the burn injury and lupus!! I need to get that info!

640. carmen Says:
     March 14th, 2010 at 11:37 pm

     DO NOT PUBLISH MY STATEMENTS UNLESS I PUBLISH MY REASERCH MYSELF, as I do here, because these statements are based on my personal private research on public information and certain details I CANNOT DISCUSS as well as my own opinions and evaluations of the private and public knowledge !
     HOWEVER, when I said ‘you may publish these research’ I MENT TO SAY USE MY REASEARCH AS GUIDELINES TO DO YOUR OWN PUBLIC SCIENTIFIC findings and PUBLISH YOUR findings to the people and encourage the search for the truth.

     The PUBLIC are the WORLD SUFFUR the greatest LOSS, as a result of June 25th, because Michael is th 2nd most active international humanitarian! He was a saving hand to projects and people off the world where there are no other saving hands!! Besides Michael’s family, the greatest loss as a result of June 25th is suffered by the whole world ! As a result, it is perfectly within out right and duties to question the reasons that are preventing the second most generous and active humanitarian, Michael Jackson, the man who put food in the bellies of the starving, and was a partner to the civilized states to help the poorer people of the world to grow with the rest of us!!!
     For every starving belly Michael cannot feed, for every school child who will not go to school to learn how to read and write and will be left in the wilderness to survive because Michael cannot pay for that school to stay open, for every sick kid that will not be able to get the life saving medical attention, for the lack of knowledge and teachings his own kids will not receive to help and contribute to the world because their father was taken from them for all these and the $365 million other reasons Michael cannot do his duties as he did before, for all these reasons, we the public have a duty to reveal to the world the circumstances that result in Michael being unable to consummate his work for the world!!!
     I AM TELLING YOU NOT TO PUBLISH MY WORK AND REASERCH UNLESS I PUBLISH IT MYSELF ; INSTEAD I AM TELLING YOU TO USE MY REASERCH AS A GUIDELINE FOR WHERE TO LOOK FOR SCIENTIFIC REASERCH AND SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE TO HOPEFULLY RECOVER MICHAEL ALIVE OR FIND THE EVIDENCE TO BRING THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS DEMISE TO SUFFUR THE FULL WRATH OF JUSTICE; JUST LIKE THE WORLD HAS TO SUFFUR THE LOSS OF THE ABSENCE OF THE 2nd most generous ACTIVE HUMANITARIAN!!

     About the autopsy report, I find it odd, that in spite of the ‘body’ being completely saturated with propofol, Latoya and an investigator with a male friend went and got hair samples from the body at the Forest Laws!! What for?? They already found enough propofol then the body could assimilate, even in the stomach, why did they want hair sample for?! Think about it all of you and please, we have a lot of work to that still needs to get done, please continue your research!!

641. carmen Says:
     March 16th, 2010 at 12:08 am

     DO NOT PUBLISH MY STATEMENTS and reasech UNLESS I WRITE MY STATEMENTS ON MY OWN IN A PUBLIC FORM because these statements are based on my personal private research on public information and certain details I CANNOT DISCUSS as well as my own opinions and evaluations of the private and public knowledge ! ANY PUBLIC FORM MAY PUBLISH ANYTHING I WRITE ON THEIR COLUMN ONLY WHERE I WRITE IT OR THAT MEDIA SOURCE MUST CONTACT ME FOR MORE DIRECT PUBLISHING!

     OFF COURSE IF I WRITE IN A PUBLIC FORM THAT PUBLIC FORM MAY PUBLISH THE COMMENTS WITH MY COMMENT IN THE SPECIFIC PLACE WHERE I WROTE IT!

     HOWEVER, when I “said you may publish” these research I MENT TO SAY USE MY REASEARCH AS GUIDELINES TO DO YOUR OWN PUBLIC SCIENTIFIC findings and publish your findings to the people and encourage the search for the truth.

     Great: I hope to have the autopsy repotr analyzed by the end of the week!

642. carmen Says:
     March 19th, 2010 at 9:31 am

     Ok, well, while I am trying to learn latin to figure out a scientific way of confronting the autopsy report; let’s review were everybody stands that I can recall!

     1 we have AEG with only partial rights to Michael’s music depending on an part of Michael’s unfinished music. The company goes to Michael’s library for fresh material and only has partial rights to that library. What they find in that library is claimed to have been made years and years ago, yet nobody knows exactly when those songs were made?!
     If Michael were alive, those songs could have been made now and planted in the library for AEG to find without any knowledge those songs were just finished.

     2. The family: only the kids stand to inherit something because the mother, challenged the ‘last will and testament’ and therefore lost her cut of the estate and non of the siblings are mentioned in the will and the father is cut out!
     The mother only gets 82K allowance for her and the kids.

     3. The charity gets theirs how ever that works out but they loose too because Michael’s earnings should decrease if he stops promoting and if he were really dead, then there shouldn’t be any new material!

     4. The executors really only make a tiny 2%, they would have made tons of money if Michael were not declared dead!

     5. The only one who stands to gain anything from Michael being declared dead is Tohmei, the guy other promoters have heard threatening Michael’ and his family a month before June 25th, the guy who Michael made tapes saying that tohmei made him - Michael - fear for his life and also the guy who made other people at the auction house file court papers documenting threats to their lives from Tohmei and the guy who got fired by Michael officially from managing his assets, according to NBC letter of dismissal from Michael to Tohmei, and the guy present at the hospital declaring Michael dead!

     6 SO WITH ALL THESE OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE, WHY ISN’T LAPD ARRESTING or INVESTIGATING TOHMEI, if MICHAEL is really dead? I mean, what is there to fear if Michael is really dead? Wait a minute:
     DIDN’T LAPD SAY THEIR INVESTIGATION IS SEALED?! Has that seal been lifted? Because if it hasn’t then WHY IS THERE A SEAL IF MICHAEL IS REALLY DEAD?!

     THE POLICE HAVE RECORDED TAPES OF MICHAEL ‘GIVING CONSENT’ TO OTHER ASSOCIATE TO RECORD HIS ALLEGATIONS OF INTIMIDATION AND FRAUD AGAINST TOHMEI! That’s good evidence! The threats by Tohmei against the people at the auction house is in court documents, that’s good evidence to show violent pattern of behavior, there are almost half a dozen witnesses who according to one witness who gave an interview to Geraldo heard Tohmei saying he would bring violence over the Jackson family a month before June 25th -according to Geraldo and these powerful respectable business man! Those are all good people to subpoena and depose!

     Then there is people who claim, all around Michael on June 25th, were all the employees hired by Tohmei, then there is tohmei getting fired from managing Michael’s assets; yet tohmei himself telling NBC after Michael’s death he remains in charge of Michael’s assets until he will be told not to remain in charge of managing Michael’s assets; assets like the AEG contract and all of Michael’s personal stuff in storage worth millions -from the cancelled auction- maybe even Neverland! So if he were fired by Michael like the letter with Michael’s signature shown on NBC, then why isn’t anyone using that letter to follow Michael’s wished and remove Tohmei from managing Michael’s assets and collecting fees and making decisions over Michael’s assets?!

     The reason I am asking is: if Michael is really dead why not respect his wishes and remove Tohmei as Michael indicated? If Michael were really dead what would be there to loose or fear to protect Tohmei from being fired?! Paying him commission?
     Why is it that the police classifies the investigation instead of arresting Tohmei and ordering his houses and properties be searched for evidence of Tohmei ‘making good’ on his threats to Michael’s life?!

     If the police were corrupt they would have just closed the case; but no, they sealed the case? That means they could be conducting different investigations without telling the public WHY?
     If Michael were dead WHY seal the case? The only asset here is Michael, and is not as if Tohmei could harm anyone other then Michael for money, the only person to protect, that I can see, would be Michael and there is no reason to protect a dead man!

     7. Why isn’t Tohmei even being investigated for making threats to man’s life a month before that man ended up being murdered in the presence of people close to Tohmei and Tohmei ay the hospital?? If Michael were dead? Why isn’t Tohmei selling all of Michael’s assets and running like there is no tomorrow??
     If the police were hiding Michael to protect him from Tohmei, then why isn’t Tohmei under arrest or an official suspect?! Why, unless Tohmei is in charge, why isn’t the police even discussing the death threats publicly?
     Su fur, other then the media investigating Tohmei, you don’t hear a thing from law enforcement about the death threats, the death allegations, anything with Tohmei? Why?

643. carmen Says:
     March 20th, 2010 at 1:17 am

     you all went in vocation at the same time?! What am I gonna do?!?!?!?!

644. zippy Says:
     March 20th, 2010 at 1:19 am

     Sorry, I was on spring break. Really didn’t have a chance to communicate. Oh, i am going to email you something right now and not sure what you think of this. I just thought this was interesting. Hold on okay.

645. carmen Says:
     March 20th, 2010 at 2:23 am

     happy to hear you are well, guess I like to force myself to live in a victim’s shoes!
     The way I see it, if the victim doesn’t get a vocation then neither do I!
     I guess I see things from a very personal prospective!
     Enjoy, zippy and I really appreciate all you work and you too marine-wife and AZT I THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK FOR MICHAEL! And whisper, I thank everyone willing to help: afterall, non of us are getting paid for these work!
     I’ll be staight with you, I WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO ACCEPT A BRIBE TO SHUT MY MOUTH, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO LIVE ANOTHER MOMENT WITH THAT ON MY HEAD! NOT OVER SOMEONE LIKE MICHAEL; HE IS JUST TOO GOOD A HUMAN BEING TO TURN A BLIND EYE!
     SELLING HIM OUT WOULD BE LIKE SELLING OUT AN ANGEL NOT A HUMAN! NOT THAT I BELIVE IN ANGELS BUT THAT’S JUST THE WAY I AM!

646. carmen Says:
     March 20th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

     Remember: Don’t look for clues, look for mistakes, contradicting statements, statements attempting to explain criminal activity with a made up story to make the criminal activity look accidental. Don’t look for clues because only criminals give clues, usually to hurt or confuse people! People running for their lives or hiding in fear of death, who’s children are crying on the streets, don’t give clues! Only criminals give clues to upset, confuse people and to prevent exposure of the evidence that can show the truth and get them caught; the greatest fear, getting caught!

647. carmen Says:
     March 20th, 2010 at 11:15 pm

     Remember: Don’t look for clues, look for mistakes, contradicting statements, statements attempting to explain criminal activity with a made up story to make the criminal activity look accidental. Don’t look for clues because only criminals give clues, usually to hurt or confuse people! People running for their lives or hiding in fear of death, who’s children are crying on the streets, don’t give clues! Only criminals give clues to upset, confuse people and to prevent exposure of the evidence that can show the truth and get them caught; the greatest fear, getting caught!
     Look for contradicting statements, look for explanations that don’t fit time line or other evidence, look for consistent reports from neutral sources, look for corrections of previous statements, look for what every person stands to loose or gain and their own personal reaction to June 25th, look for neutral statements said immediately by neutral people after June 25th!! If something it’s a clue, it has had to have contact with the reasons and people who caused June 25th, and therefore it’s a clue with a purpose that has been put there or leaked out by the people who caused June 25th and therefore it is a contaminated information! If you do come across contaminated information, try and find out the source of that information and analyze why that person would say what they said or do what you think they did and see if anyone else is saying or confirming similar actions! Never ever trust the message of a clue to be honest, nor should you take it literally! A clue is planted information and planted information
     always has a purpose, and people in hiding or dead or kidnapped do not plant information and do not have the power to plant information! If someone is putting a clue, yes they may or may not know something, they may be absolutely innocent but for the fact that they came in contact with information that lead to the clue, shows that person most likely came into contact with what caused June 25th and whatever information they’ve got most likely came through the controlled filter that caused June 25th!! Off course many serial killers and bad guys have been known to brag to the victim’s loved one about what they did, so don’t be surprised, even if Michael were alive, that the bad guys might be trying to hurt and tease Michael’s supporters and expect them to be furious if you catch them in the act or expose anything they don’t want exposed!
     Be careful and let’s work as a team to find the truth! Who knows, we may actually be the one’s to force out the truth!

     Keep in mind, at the trial of Murray, they will try everything in God’s green earth to blame June 25th on Michael and as long as the public is not well informed C. Murray might walk with 0(zero) jail time!!

     By the way, there is a page called ‘Anna-tomy of a hoax - by Anna.K’ that also has some good analysis just like some of these analysis! Check it out! Just don’t let anyone tell you the public is stupid or doesn’t care; because that is not the case!

648. carmen Says:
     March 22nd, 2010 at 12:30 pm

     Zippy: still waiting on your email. Azt, anything new?

649. zippy Says:
     March 22nd, 2010 at 10:14 pm

     Carmen,

     I sent it to you last week. You should’ve gotten it.

650. zippy Says:
     March 22nd, 2010 at 10:44 pm

     Yep,

     I am checking my archive and see that I sent this on Friday. I sent it to your gmail account. You had replied to me from a previous reply and emailed with the info in it. You will see it. I hope you didn’t delete it.

651. carmen Says:
     March 22nd, 2010 at 11:12 pm

     No, nothing gets deleted out of that email, except what is backed up, I am sorry I thought you send something after! I have an idea, I will email you today! Sorry about being a little choppy with my replies, I have a lot of work to do and it’s all tones of stuff just like these ! Really appreciate the help! Don’t get me wrong I always do everything at the same time; but, I really always appreciate anyone willing to not freak out when you see my work load but instead offer to help! welcome to organized chaos also known as my desk!

652. zippy Says:
     March 22nd, 2010 at 11:20 pm

     ok.
     As soon as you email me I will email you what I sent you on friday.

653. zippy Says:
     March 23rd, 2010 at 5:48 am

     Carmen,

     Are you still online?

654. carmen Says:
     March 23rd, 2010 at 6:43 am

     Not now, but send it to my gmail if you have something extra. Also, I only answered only one of your emails, I’ll answer the rest on Tuesday. I appreciate the question you asked; I will send you some of my thoughts / plans . Thanks!

655. zippy Says:
     March 23rd, 2010 at 6:48 am

     Ok, I will just go ahead and send it again.

656. zippy Says:
     March 23rd, 2010 at 6:50 am

     Okay, I am getting ready to send it again right now.

657. zippy Says:
     March 23rd, 2010 at 6:56 am

     The only one you send me was over the weekend and it was about what the brothers said and that was it and i kept reminding you to send it to me but hadn’t gotten it yet.

658. carmen Says:
     March 23rd, 2010 at 2:29 pm

     Really, wow, I will be back in the office in a few hours and I’ll send it again! I intended to send the mail email to two people; but, there was something to do and I had to run out the door and I thought I highlighted both your name and the other person but I guess I only send it to that person! Ok, well, I’ll do it when I get back. By the way, I do request that you keep all our email’s private - meaning don’t quote me but if you agree with me fill free to research my thoughts and tell your findings! Thank you zippy! By the way, we may have a problem, I’ll tell you about in private email tomorrow!

659. zippy Says:
     March 23rd, 2010 at 10:38 pm

     I got your email and replied back with highlights. Did you include what you may have a problem in private to the email? Maybe you did.

660. zippy Says:
     March 23rd, 2010 at 10:45 pm

     Hi to everyone: Azt, Marine Wife, and others. Gosh, it’s just us!! LOL!

661. zippy Says:
     March 23rd, 2010 at 11:38 pm

     AZT,

     Thanks for that link. This is helpful. I am sure Geraldo is questioning or has been questioning alot for some time now since June.

662. carmen Says:
     March 24th, 2010 at 1:00 am

     There is always heroes in the shadows but we never see them, we just see their accomplishments; yet to be rescued we need to seek help and help can only given by admitting, clarifying, and confronting the problems that cause the distress! Fear not, non of us are ever alone, unless we accept lies as the truth!
     We will not fear and we will not accept lies or intimidation! We will solve June 25th, and in doing this work we will be solving the possibility of these problems repeating or creating a channel for even bigger problems! There are always rewards for doing what’s right without getting paid ; those rewards are the ones that never fade!
     Michael may be alive or dead; but the vicious terrorizing absurdities of the circumstances that caused June 25th, must not be dismissed because a spark now is what causes a forest fire later! Public awarness of the actual circumstances and truth and explanations and excuses for June 25th are what results in the problem not causing bigger problems! Regardless of what caused these problem, we know it wasn’t Michael who did it!

663. zippy Says:
     March 24th, 2010 at 1:18 am

     Carmen,

     Is this suppose to be a reply to my email that I emailed you a few hours ago or for something else?

664. EvilDonna Says:
     March 24th, 2010 at 2:08 am

     OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

     I want Dr. Murray so dead that the worms reject him. Sorry but forgiveness isn’t on my to-do list today.

     We love you Michael.

665. carmen Says:
     March 24th, 2010 at 5:22 am

     There was signs of lividity recorder at 12:21pm, signs of the possibility of death hours before 12:21pm arrival of EMT, there were 13 inches of needles and tubes inside the body presumed to be Michael Jackson on June 25th with fractured ribs and a stile slaughtered needle stuck in that man’s thought that I cannot even begin to imagine how badly it hurt and what it took to keep Michael down long enough to empty enough propofol that even propofol, the absorbent anesthesia could not absorb anymore in the body and was found even in his stomach at the time of autopsy about 24h later after June 25th!
     Off with Dr. C. Murray’s head as you put it would take one second and would be incredibly unfair since killing the man presumed to be Michael on June 25th took hours and hours, even the heat had to be turned up to make him die!!!
     No, 20years in a federal prison with no chance of parole is one way to know for sure that Mr. C. Murray will not endanger anyone’s life again and would have enough time to think about his choices and decisions!

666. carmen Says:
     March 25th, 2010 at 3:34 am

     Sorry, I didn’t get a chance to get back to you zippy, I had a busy day. Marine_wife must be with the kids! It’s spring break, anyway, I sure hope to see the rest of you back by the end of these week, I appreciate working with you all!

667. zippy Says:
     March 25th, 2010 at 6:56 am

     Sure, just get with me. i did email you again with the answers.
     I tell ya this is really getting interesting.

668. Azt Says:
     March 25th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

     Hello carmen zippy marine_wife how is everyone? sorry I was so busy have not had a chance to do any research lately but one thing I know is murray’s next trial is on apr 5th which I am waiting anxiously I am sure everyone has heared the bogus 911 tape otherwise I will post it tomorrow!!!

669. Azt Says:
     March 25th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

     I mean the bogus 911 that LAFD denied!!!

670. carmen Says:
     March 25th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

     I heard what I thought was original call; but I never heard LAPD denied, please AZT post it, I want to listen document everything! Please ! Thank you. Good, real good to have you back.

671. Azt Says:
     March 26th, 2010 at 7:52 am

     ok here you go I hope it works this is the tape that LAFD denied thatut is not their standard protocol http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=rtT32dDzHFM

672. Azt Says:
     March 26th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

     Ok I found this interesting I know larry king is very close to Jackson family what a statment to make about michael watch. http://Www.YouTube.com/watch?v=Agc5tSzPQES he said he is still dead by the way and laugh there us something he knows for sure!!!

673. Azt Says:
     March 26th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

     If the above did not work about what Larry king had to day try this intersesting http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=Agc5tSzPQEs

674. Azt Says:
     March 26th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

     Hey carmen and zippy I will email you on sun you read it and draw your own conclusion I read the site back in summer and now I was trying to connect dots with what I read and with all the incosistency which really make sense I would email you privately we are getting there!!!

675. Azt Says:
     March 26th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

     Sorry about some of the mispellings an iPhone error!!!

676. carmen Says:
     March 26th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

     I am so happy I am not alone here, I am so happy Michael’s not alone wherever he is in whatever condition; because I bet you these is why the bad guys did what they did to Michael, because they thought nobody would care to do anything other then sweep it under the carpet!
     ‘Bad guys’: YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SCARE / INTIMIDATE OR MANIPULATE COUPLE OF PEOPLE, BUT YOU CAN’T INTIMIDATE THE WHOLE WORLD AND WE DO VERY VERY MUCH CARE!

677. zippy Says:
     March 26th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

     Well, I am glad that we can all be able to work together on this. Because all of the bickering and going back and forth will not prosper and will not get things done faster. I am glad we are able to all incorporate and understand that we are all going to view things differently on here. Let’s continue with this. Let’s no waste one more moment with foolishness and nonsense because time is of the essence and along with prayer it is does help and it works.

     Azt, thanks for the youtube.

     Marine Wife, hello.

     Carmen, I emailed you back yesterday. let’s all continue to communicate whichever way we do it.

     This is got to stop. This has to come to an end!! They cannot get away with this!!!

678. Azt Says:
     March 27th, 2010 at 8:35 am

     Hey zippy thank you for watching the YouTube have you watched both the 911 bogus call and larry king sarcastic remark? Larry is a good friend of Jackson family he even went during the 2005 trial to court on behalf of michael isn’t it obvious if michael was dead for real he would not have made that kind of joke to me Larry seems to know something!!!

679. carmen Says:
     March 27th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

     I will email everyone back on Tuesday! In the meantime please keep gathering evidence! Thank you Azt! I still wish there was a way to email you as well, there is a lot I want to discuss with you but your mail doesn’t work!

680. carmen Says:
     March 28th, 2010 at 7:01 am

     It seems the fates want me here:
     If Michael never return’s, what happen would be different in the world?!

     Let’s see, in the last 15years he donated $365million to charity for kids in impoverished countries, where other bad guys give kids guns, Michael gave kids pens and pencils and medicine! If Michael doesn’t continue his charity work those poor kids in the future will not have anyone to donate $365millions to charity and stand a greater chance of picking up weapons instead of pens and pencils!

     What does the civilized world do when uneducated kids pick up weapons instead of pencils?!?! Check CNN news !

     If Michael were lost forever, do you think his kids will become superstars with financial power and humanitarians?!
     I seriously doubt it! So that would mean more kids in impoverished countries with access to weapons instead of pens and pencils!!

     Here’s food for thought: most places where Michael’s sightings are reported are point of easy border crossings, banking centers and places Michael stashed away charity donations for future use, for example: Miami, ottawa, Dubai, Ireland, UK , Australia etc..and he is always described as hustled and pushed by big man into different cars!!

681. AZR Says:
     March 28th, 2010 at 11:25 am

     Hey carmen I am changing my phone next week but if you email me I Still can get mails in my desktop anyways I Will email you and zippy something tomorrow when you say a body doulbe died instead of michael on jun 25th you my might have hit it right in the head trust me Michael is not stupid to leave three kids behind and exit this planet in such a stupid way he has a message for this planet? absoulutely one thing I know for sure is that Micheal is a very deep human being, I would email you and zippy something tomrrow!!!

682. AZR Says:
     March 28th, 2010 at 11:28 am

     OH MY GOD MY DESK TOP MESSED UP MY NAME i will fix it should be AZT

683. Azt Says:
     March 29th, 2010 at 8:54 am

     Hey zippy how are u? Don’t have your email but I have asked carmen to forward u I did not agree with some of it but a lot of it which had been written make sense let!!!

684. Azt Says:
     March 29th, 2010 at 8:57 am

     sorry let me know if u recived it zippy thanks!!!

685. zippy Says:
     March 30th, 2010 at 1:45 am

     No, I don’t have your email AZT.
     Carmen, I got your email. Yeah, email me when you get a chance okay?
     AZT, I saw all of the videos. Most of them anyway. Yeah, I heard the one Larry did. It is just odd stuff. I don’t know what to say on it. Some say he doesn’t know and some say he do. We will see is all I can say.
     Carmen, as far as the MJ sightings…..I dont know. Some of them I find hard to believe especially if he is endanger why just be anywhere! That is just my opinion, IDK!

686. zippy Says:
     March 30th, 2010 at 1:46 am

     AZT, carmen can you give you my email. That is fine.

687. zippy Says:
     March 30th, 2010 at 2:12 am

     Carmen,

     I do agree Michael Jacksong did a very remarkable thing!! This is the thing that touched me even more when I read more about what he had done. I didn’t know this until last year. A few months after his demise in June. I just shook my head. Someone on youtube has a video about his contributions. How can anyone not look at this and see the heart of this man!!! I appreciate the fact that MJ took the millions to do something that would help children better their lives. He did examples of this better than most people. So, I don’t doubt Carmen, of his hardwork. Just concerned that if these sighting were real or not and what you have been discussing in regards to his life being endanger that is all.

688. carmen Says:
     March 30th, 2010 at 2:30 am

     Based on my research I am gonna take an educated guess, that some of these sightings are real, just the because just like the music, some stuff, like accessing certain type of secure bank accounts, can only be done in person; while other sightings, I am taking an educated guess are possibly staged to discredit the actual sightings! Certain things like making music, signing documents, moving assets, calling off ‘attack dogs’ of family or associates can only be done by Michael and nobody else, that is why killing him before all these are done would be very stupid in my educated opinion based on my personal research!

689. zippy Says:
     March 30th, 2010 at 2:56 am

     Yeah, I just hope he is still here. Still praying. Well, only time will tell and with the help of others and what we are doing looking to see this come forth.

690. Azt Says:
     March 30th, 2010 at 5:18 am

     Hey zippy don’t have your email I was going to email u an article I don’t know if carmen forwrded it to u I have seen the diff sighting story the only problem is Navy and Ecasanova they both pass for michael specially Ecasanova he used to send them to Japan and diff part of the world don’t know if you have seen them on YouTube Navy is the no one world Michael impresnator who did a surgery to look like michael but Ecasanova has a natural resembelance again this is my guess!!!

691. carmen Says:
     March 30th, 2010 at 5:46 am

     AZT: I did not send that file to zippy, I am on a real tight schedule on these days!
     As fur as impersonator’s, well, the dead body at the morgue had only one positive scientific method of ID at the hospital only by the ‘informant’ latoya, who said he felt warm, looked like he was sleeping etc. Eye witness reports described the body at the morgue as missing a nasal prosthesis and 110p to most media sources such as Rolling Stones magazine and news stations without any different news reported other then Michael’s doctor Klein screaming On Larry King Michael has no nasal prosthesis and was given injectable fillers only injectable in natural nose cartilage!
     Eye witness rep to Rolling Stones and other TV station say ‘ a dark hole where a nose was suppose to be’ ! The man in morgue did not die of natural causes! Died of propofol, who knows how many maniacs decided to have surgeries for one reason or another to look like Michael Jackson:BUT THERE IN ONLY ONE MICHAEL JACKSON, ONE MONET, ONE MOZZART, etc.. All look alike cannot compose, sign, be recognizable to families, write, prod., like the one genius! Ecasanova, what a retarded name, has no business impersonating a ‘murdered’ man during an investigation !! I am suspicious of his activities, but he is not worth my time in any way! Like I said, sightings at miami airport, very possibly real, sightings at post office in UK, very possibly real, sightings getting off a boat in UK village very possibly real, sightings by boat dock in australia very possibly real, sightings in boat docks on east coat of us very possibly real etc.. Sightings in NY city on the crowds off course fake, yadi yadi ya!
     One commonality among all suspected real sightings: a bunch of big man pushing and shoving him into cars,boats etc, being pushed pulled shoved etc. Group of tall man with suits and shades hurrying and shoving everyone out of the way!

692. Azt Says:
     March 30th, 2010 at 6:15 am

     Hey carmen read the article that I sent you and let me know did not agree with occult story but the terminally ill man story again I think make sense specially on your research and finding the person who died was a look alike if you read it till the end a lot of it make sense to me let me know and Zippy u can emailme ,here is my email Azebtamrat@aol.com thanks!!!

693. zippy Says:
     March 30th, 2010 at 6:18 am

     I don’t have the article AZT. Okay, I will email you. Thanks. :)

694. Azt Says:
     March 30th, 2010 at 6:28 am

     Carmen I know I read all those Miami uk by boat story I mean it is possible my only question was his safety belive me no body will be happier than me if he is pulling it off like that I guess time would tell for now atlist there is 80%hope if I may say that Michael did not pass on jun 25th so let us all keep the good work!!!

695. zippy Says:
     April 2nd, 2010 at 7:28 am

     AZT,

     I emailed you but I never got the attachment that you said you would send me. I hadn’t heard from Carmen. I know she has been very busy. I hope everyone is doing okay. :)

696. carmen Says:
     April 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 pm

     Thank you for asking, I am ok, doing some checks on Michael’s entourage; seems to me this individual tohme was brought into Michael’s life by Jermain!
     Also, you know how we always say that AEG was an introduction by tohmei, nope. Apparently,Michael’s former manager had these already in the works with AEG before tohmei came in and made an offer to save Neverland! She actually filed a lawsuit, although I am not sure what is going on with that lawsuit; alleging that she had already been working on the AEG contract before tohmei and that all off a sudden she got fired and never paid her fees and replaced by tohmei!
     Well, the good thing is that non of the family will make a dime of Michael’s June 25th ‘death’,(except for the kids), the mother only gets a maintenance allowance and the kids gets the rest! The mother did challenge the last testament so I doubt she can still have a claim to the inheritance! It seems to me Michael’s family can only make money if Michael were not declared dead, especially the way things look now! That’s actually a good thing: they need him alive!

697. carmen Says:
     April 2nd, 2010 at 2:50 pm

     People declared dead have no rights or protections under the law unless found alive! Safety is impossible and the rule of the muscle which cannot be Michael’s rule is the only power in that way of life! Keep in mind, all of Michael’s associates, close friends etc.are crying and shocked! He is not pulling anything off; if he is alive, who ever has him is pulling things ! Michael pull these off? If Michael were doing these, even geniuses would not suspect anything and nobody would find slip ups/ mistakes everywhere!
     These looks like an arrogant, ignorant, cold plan executed amateurish and a feeble attempt to a cover up !

698. zippy Says:
     April 8th, 2010 at 7:20 am

     AZT,

     Do you still come on here. I had emailed you never heard from you. Is everyone alright? LOL!!!

699. LeFay Says:
     April 9th, 2010 at 5:48 am

     Carmen asked me to post this video for all that are helping her, I found the on the CNN news page, very interesting.
     LeFay

700. LeFay Says:
     April 9th, 2010 at 5:49 am

     Sorry didn’t realize it wouldn’t post the way I put it

     http://www.sawfnews.com/Gossip/63323.aspx

701. zippy Says:
     April 10th, 2010 at 2:11 am

     LeFray,

     Thanks for the post. Very interesting. WOW!

702. carmen Says:
     April 10th, 2010 at 3:09 am

     Really appreciate all the support and dedication: now, I am also incredibly grateful for the experts, news media, established professional PHD qualified support expressed to show the absurdity of their statements as lies! We need to inform the public about these expert opinions contradicting ‘their’ explanations, to help the hand of the prosecutors to weigh heavily against C. Murray’s scientifically impossible defense explanations!
     Science against a defense which assumes the public stupid, in a battle in the court of law; these are to be interesting! After all, all these addiction statements are hearsay, science, autopsy rep., medical records, side effects of drugs, performance of prescription drugs are all science!! We need to gather the science to show their explanations impossible! But experts coming forth we might just hope for a hung jury and new charges! Real Charges! That would make Murray talk!
     ANY PHD PROFESSIONAL ESTABLISHED source that uses science to prove their defense impossible please spread the word!!!!

703. carmen Says:
     April 10th, 2010 at 8:09 am

     These charges on C. Murray are so mild there is no room for presenting any real evidence of willful intent. The only thing we can try to do is show that the body that had the autopsy performed was not an addict to the drugs they are saying he were an addict! If these charges don’t get tossed out before trial, we can try and annoy him but the most Murray would get is 4 years!! He can spend that time in jail writing a book on these case and make millions after he gets let out early for good behavior!!!! What a sweet deal!!
     Now if the charges go ahead and he gets a hung jury and then restart the case, he might just get aggravated enough to tell the truth!!
     Off course, if anyone manages to throw out these silly charged before the trial, then we might get some actual threatening charges that could carry a real threat of a long stay in jail; that would make him talk!
     These charges on C. Murray are like a burglar being charged with littering on private property, a rapist with misdemeanor battery, a drug dealer with not FDA approval, it’s like a tap on the wrist, not even a slap on the wrist!
     The autopsy rep. is key to showing the body was not showing the side effects of those drugs taken over 6 weeks! The evidence is there, we just need to look for it!!!

704. zippy Says:
     April 14th, 2010 at 4:06 am

     Thought this was interesting. Don’t know if this will help.

     http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6683/cardiacarrestfoxnews.jpg

705. zippy Says:
     April 14th, 2010 at 4:10 am

     Here’s more info:

     http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/23329270/cardiac-arrest.htm

706. zippy Says:
     April 14th, 2010 at 4:11 am

     Here’s more info on the article I just posted:

     http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/23329270/cardiac-arrest.htm

707. zippy Says:
     April 14th, 2010 at 4:15 am

     http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/23329270/cardiac-arrest.htm

708. zippy Says:
     April 14th, 2010 at 4:15 am

     Sorry for the multiple post. :(

709. carmen Says:
     April 14th, 2010 at 6:32 am

     Look, I don’t know how they will try to “make these look good” but until Michael himself is giving an official explanation” as Michael Jackson, the DNA verified real Michael Joseph Jackson, we need to stick to facts, science, not hints or clues he will comeback; because that only gives the people behind these more wiggle room! The fact is DR. Steve Hoeffin, one of Michael’s other plastic surgeons, speaking to ET, pointed out that Michael does not have a removable nasal prosthesis, as eye witnesses at the coroner’s office reported to Rolling Stone magazine
     ROLLING STONES MAGAZINE QUOTE:

     ‘MICHAEL JACKSON’S BODY LAY ON A METAL GURNEY, in the county morgue in downtown Los Angeles. He was dressed in shiny black trouser, a thin hospital gown and nothing else. His feet were bare, his left arm scored with needle marks. His pale, narrow chest was covered in bruises - evidence of the medical efforts over the past few hours to save his life. Doctors and security guards milled in and out of the little room containing the gurney, eager to catch a glimpse of Jackson’s body……..By the time the medics arrived, responding to a desperate call to 911 at 12:21pm, they wanted to pronounce him dead on the spot…’
     The Last Days of Michael Jackson
     By Claire Hoffman
     Rolling Stones August 6, 2009, pg 44,
     ‘Jackson’s face,….now lay out in the open, undisguised under the morgue’s harsh lights. The prosthesis he normally attached to his damaged nose was missing, revealing bits of cartilage surrounding a small, dark hole. But to those who passed through the room, Jackson’s face looked porcelain, impeccable. After years of torment, Michael was finally at rest. ‘Seeing him lying there,’ recalls one eyewitness, ‘he looked peaceful.’ It was still a day before the autopsy,…’
     The Last Days of Michael Jackson
     By Claire Hoffman
     Rolling Stones August 6, 2009, pg 46

     Dr. Steven Hoefflin, one of Michael’s Jackson’s former plastic surgeon, in speaking to ET about ‘involuntary errors’ he believes L.A. Coroner made. In the autopsy report.
     Hoefflin says he’s been informed that the Coroner’s office were incorrect in reporting that Jackson was wearing a nasal prosthesis and lost his nose, leaving only two holes in its place.
     Apparently he said Katherine Jackson, asked him to make this statement.
     Hoefflin adds that Jackson had “an indentation of his RIGHT NOSE(only), which was not from surgery, but from a deep biopsy due to suspicion of skin cancer.”
     (Indentation, is not what dozen of eye witnesses reported to the Rolling Stone’s - MISSING PROSTHESIS revealing only a dark hole where a nose was suppose to be- that’s not an indentation only on the right nostrial)

     Further, the autopsy report, makes no mention of Lupus scars/inflamation around the nose, YET DR. Steven Hoefflin said to ET;
     Michael, also, had LUPUS inflamation, according to Dr. Hoefflin, and the DISEASE WAS BEING INFLAMED BY “MASSIVE INJECTIONS OF COLLOGEN” (impossible to administer in a nasal prosthesis), as reported by Dr. Arnold Klein, and recentely reported that Michael was suffuring from these Lupus inflamations due to Dr. Klein’s injection’s in Michael’s very real nose, INJECTIONS OF COLLAGEN IMPOSSIBLE IN A NASAL PROSTHESIS, and inflamation’s reported by Dr. Hoefflin !!!
     That autopsy report makes no mention of these inflammation scars around the nose, no mention of Lupus, an the eye witness’ report to Rolling Stone and other sources of media, consistently said for 4 month, that the nasal prosthesis which would be imposiposible to exist if Dr. Klein had been administering collagen injections in natural nose cartilage as confirmed by DR Klein and Dr. Hoefflin, fell off the face, impossible, if the body in the coroner was the same as Michael, Dr. Klein and Dr. Hoefflin patient!!

     You can either have a nasal prosthesis that can fall off, or you can have a real nose with lupus disease which receives infectable collagen fillers to fill up an indentation left by a biopsy on the right nostrial: you cannot have injectable fillers fall off the face during revival attempts; you can only have a nasal prosthesis fall of the face! The same body cannot have both a real and a fake nose! It’s got to be one or the other!!
     Further, since the coroner was so thrall with everything he noted about the body, then why didn’t he note the lupus inflammation from the “massive injections of collagen” reported by DR. Hoefflin?!?! You would thing he would note that on the description of the face!!
     I thank my associate for these news update and have asked this person to post the ET interview with DR. Hoefflin! I am busy working on the autopsy report! THANK YOU DR KLIEN , THANK YOU DR HOEFFLIN, THANK YOU MR. BRIAN OXMAN, THANK YOU EYEWITNESS’ AT THE MORGUE, THANK YOU TMZ FOR THE AUTOPSY REPORT, THANK YOU ROLLING STONES, now the work ain’t nowhere near done so please everybody let’s find the TRUTH !!!

710. zippy Says:
     April 14th, 2010 at 6:37 am

     Just posting Carmen. That’s all. I jus sent you something else but I sent it to your email instead. Not going to post it here. This was just something to discuss to dissect what had been posted out there. I am not saying that it is true or not. Just posting to go further into dissecting and showing how much more half truths are out there.

711. carmen Says:
     April 14th, 2010 at 7:10 am

     Got it, I don’t think it’s anything more then a distraction, but I will go varify it now! I’ll get back to you vial email! Welcome back! AZT, where are you?! Are we gonna send a search and rescue for you too?!

712. LeFay Says:
     April 14th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

     Carmen I have sent you the files to go with this

     Dr Steven Hoefflin, Michael Jackson’s former plastic surgeon, has released a statement in response to the lawsuit being brought against him by Dr. Arnold Klein for defamation of character, claiming it’s part of a larger conspiracy. In addition, RadarOnline.com has obtained secret documents revealing the behind-the-scenes war between Hoefflin, various lawyers and Klein.

     The documents include nasty email exchanges between Hoefflin and lawyers and also what purports to be a handwritten note from Katherine Jackson authorizing Hoefflin to talk to the press and correct false information. Other documents from Katherine’s people say she never gave that permission.

     There’s even a handwritten note from Michael Jackson in 1999 authorizing Hoefflin to use the pop star’s medical records to dispel misinformation.

     Hoefflin claims to have had his life threatened because “members of law enforcement know that I possess abundant incriminating evidence [regarding the Jackson death] that is going to put a lot of people in prison.”

     In his lengthy statement Hoefflin claims people are colluding, with the police “to use false documents to threaten me, obstruct my independent investigation into Michael’s death and to stop me from providing evidence to the proper authorities.”

     He claims Colin Powell is a friend of his, and that he has called and left messages at the house of the retired General and former Secretary of State, asking him to “engage a congressional investigation into all of the LAPD and Los Angeles Sheriff Department Law Enforcement Corruption in Los Angeles that is taking place in the Michael Jackson and other important investigations that is ruining our city.”

     Hoefflin says that he is an established Government Witness in the Jackson death investigation and that Dr. Arnold Klein and his attorneys are “attempting to prevent me from discussing incriminating evidence that I possess on Dr. Klein.”

     Hoefflin claims that Klein’s lawsuit against him is frivolous and that he expects the Attorney General of California himself, Jerry Brown, to end the lawsuit.

713. carmen Says:
     April 14th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

     Colin Powell would be the correct person to handle these: I would tell you one thing, Mr. Colin Powell is needed by his country now more then ever in every way !
     Ok, let’s assume, for arguments sake, just for assumption’s sake, that Michael is still alive and the sighting at Miami International airport reported by the dozen’s of people is actually a sighting of Michael alive after June 25th, 2009: based on these assumption let’s talk about Miami International Airport. The airport is a tiny airport for the massive city it serves; but it’s in the process of a significant expansion, a couple of terminals are under construction, with all panel blocked windows and doors, you could have a parade behind those panels, and non of us on the public access roads would know a thing! Also, the airport is very fresh, state of the art in technology, maybe not all technology up and operational, but everything looks and feels new or newly renovated. Four floors which I walked, very private floors, even the airlines check in desks and the arrivals are miniature compared to LAX, LaGuardia, O’Hare etc. Miami is a super mini latest tech airport! Even at it’s peek hour, to get from a secure area to the garage, walking, could easily be made private and unseen to the public eyes with patricians in 10min. or less, if the airport stuff was asked by the proper authorities to make for a private entry to the airport and garage!
     It would not be a great commotion or any need to run a ’secret man’, through a crowd of dozens of people, waiting for the their planes, if ONLY IF OFFICIAL security want to secretly bring Michael through Miami Int. Airport, as long as ‘they’ could prove to be legitimate witness protection, to the airport security officials, it would just require informing the very well trained airport stuff of their credentials, and the airport security, for sure already has procedures in place for these kind of ‘ witness protected’ passengers!
     The airport security would just identify the legitimate officials requesting private passage and nobody would know a thing about Michael being brought to Miami alive after June 25th!
     But that’s not what eye witnesses say they saw according to a Michael Jackson sighting web page: dozens of people say they saw a bunch of big rough, burly man with hats, dark sunglasses shoving Michael and rushing him, running across the airport and pushed him into a dark limo ! That’s not how officials/ legitimate witness protection officers protect witness protection people; that’s how kidnappers smuggle a man across tight security, in my opinion!
     That “people” reported by eye witness running Michael across the Miami airport after June 25th, would have a problem if and only if, they were not a legitimate witness protection agency and were on some criminal watch list or could not justify their actions or authority!

     Off course, especially if ‘A+’ security measure were, ups, overlooked, no official from Miami airport would ever confirm or deny those eye witness reports !!
     It’s my opinion, that no official witness protection agency would need to behave in the manner, eye witnesses described these big rough men with sunglasses, shoving and pushing Michael at Miami Int. Airport, braking witnesses cell phones in UK post office, and rushing Michael at the Ottawa airport and many other very similar sightings reported by witness’ all over the world!!

     In another instance, described by another witness to the “sighting web”, an almost identical incident happened at the Ottawa airport, where the witness saw a bunch of burly man run Michael across the airport and shove him into a dark limo! In a different more rural part of UK, close to city limits, witnesses described, to the Michael Jackson sighting web page, a big rough man with bad african accent didn’t know how to mail a letter to the US and after a while, he called someone, but could not understand what the people were speaking in English on the phone to him, so out of a limo, at the post office, comes Michael surrounded by big rough african man, to help the rough man with the zip code he needed to the address in US; then suddenly, when Michael starts talking to the people in the post office,
     the big burly heavy men with bad accents manhandled/ shoved Michael violently away and into a limo. After, a big rough guy came our and grabbed the phone from the witness’ hand, who took a picture, and broke the phone! The sightings continue with some being suspicious in nature, but all being hints, and bread crumbs showing Michael alive and not in charge of his environment!

     Further, Nurse Lee, said a little ‘quote’ that bugs me! She said to C. Murray, ‘the truth will set you free’ in a walking interview noted by the media! If Michael were killed by an overdose, which is what she dutifully said to all the news stations, the truth could never set C. Murray free!
     Further, all of C. Murray statements are not credible and make no scientific sense!
     All of C. Murray’s statements are so contradicting, inconsistent and scientifically impossible that his own statements expose the truth he is trying to cover up!
     What shocks me even more is that he is acting so surprised that he is being charged and that he was planning, according to media reports, to make a reality TV show based on his suffering because of Michael !
     If he goes to prison for four years, get’s out with good behavior two and a half, he will just have enough time to write a book which would make C. Murray more millions of dollars then Michael would have ever paid him or C. Murray could ever make as a doctor!
     For C. Murray, these ridiculous charges are a winning lottery ticket! For the international community and the needs of charity world wide which only Michael could financially support, Dr. C. Murray’s work is a death sentence!!!

     THIS law suit between Dr. Klein and Dr. Hoefflin, yes is frivolous, and yes it’s exposing the truth; that truth being that Michael’s medical records with two legitimate doctors in US are different then the medical observations noted on the body at the morgue, according to eye witness reports reported to the media, the body at the morgue lost a nasal prosthesis which Michael’s doctors both say Michael did not have!
     Both of Michael’s doctor’s, are confirming with medical records and on the court dockets that Michael does not have a nasal prosthesis, not what eye witnesses reported to Rolling Stones and dozens of other news media!

     The Last Days of Michael Jackson
     By Claire Hoffman
     Rolling Stones August 6, 2009, pg 44,
     ‘Jackson’s face,….now lay out in the open, undisguised under the morgue’s harsh lights. The prosthesis he normally attached to his damaged nose was missing, revealing bits of cartilage surrounding a small, dark hole. But to those who passed through the room, Jackson’s face looked porcelain, impeccable. After years of torment, Michael was finally at rest. ‘Seeing him lying there,’ recalls one eyewitness, ‘he looked peaceful.’ It was still a day before the autopsy,…’
     The Last Days of Michael Jackson
     By Claire Hoffman
     Rolling Stones August 6, 2009, pg 46

     Now I don’t know if you remember, Dr. Klein’s interview with Larry King, right after June 25th, when he interrupted Larry King and said there is something that he needs to clarify: and then went on to say that Michael does not have a detachable nasal prosthesis and that he’s been giving Michael injectable fillers in the nose, to thicken the nose, and injectable fillers are ONLY POSSIBLE in natural nose cartilage and NOT a removable nasal prosthesis! That interview was given just before the news broke out from sources at the morgue that the body was completely missing a nasal prosthesis and showing a dark hole instead of a nose!
     You have one person with a detachable nose prosthesis and another person with a real nose inflamed by Lupus and collagen injections ! That shows the body at the coroner is not the same as the man, Michael, Dr. Hoefflin and Dr. Klein treated for Lupus inflammations and received collagen injections: that’s my personal opinion!
     I hope this lawsuit does go forward, because Dr. Klein has no chance of winning against Dr. Hoefflin and they both will need to show Michael’s medical records on the court’s records, in order to explain themselves!
     Don’t forget, right after June 25th, Dr. Klein was a big advocate for Michael, and then there were some news reports that LAPD was investigating Dr. Klien for smoking weed before it became legal and writing prescriptions in different names for his patients, and then he went REALLY QUITE!
     Yes, Mr Colin Powell is needed here!!

714. marine_wife Says:
     April 14th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

     Hi guys.. and girls. I need to do some catching up. Hope everyone is well

715. carmen Says:
     April 14th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

     Marine_wife, welcome back! Good to see you here!

716. carmen Says:
     April 15th, 2010 at 3:34 am

     One word on death threats: I LOVE DEATH THREATS, because the death threat is unquestionable prove that you are on the right track AND who are one off the guilty parties! When you get a death threat, pat yourself on the back, you are doing a good job investigating and you found one of the sources of the problem/crimes!
     However, immediately after the death threat, you’ve got to catch the person making the threat with their pants down, in order to diffuse the threat!! TELL EVERYBODY, FILE A POLICE REPORT EVEN IF IT’S AGAINST ANOTHER COP! FILE THE REPORT TO IA, TELL EVERYBODY IN WRITING AND VERBAL ABOUT THE THREAT AND THE FIRST AND LAST NAME OF THE PERSON MAKING THE THREAT AND TELL ALL THE DETAIL OF THE THREAT and KEEP REPEATING IT TO EVERYBODY FOR DAYS, WEEKS, MONTH, YEARS, make it everybody’s personal knowledge!
     Michael’s mistake was that when he got death threats he told nobody! It was almost a year after June 25th when other people came forward to let the public know about the death threats! He made tapes of the death threats but kept the tapes hidden, only to be released if something happens to him! Michael should have immediately cancelled the tour based on the death threats and gone on every news station in the world informing everybody that he is scared of his financial advisor! He should have documented the threats and the witness’ who heard the death threats, he should have made a huge fuss over it, and the person making the death threat looses his most important ability to carry out the threat, because nobody wants to kill somebody and get caught !!!!
     So, don’t worry about death threats, just document publicly by every means possible every single death threat!!!

717. zippy Says:
     April 17th, 2010 at 1:58 am

     Hi Marine,

     Glad you are back!! :)

     Where in the world is AZT?!!!!!

     I am doing good. :)

     Glad everyone is still researching! Have a wonderful,blessed, and safe weekend.

718. zippy Says:
     April 17th, 2010 at 3:40 am

     Carmen Quote:

     Ok, let’s assume, for arguments sake, just for assumption’s sake, that Michael is still alive and the sighting at Miami International airport reported by the dozen’s of people is actually a sighting of Michael alive after June 25th, 2009: based on these assumption let’s talk about Miami International Airport.

     Carmen, I was reading what you post after replying back to Lefay quote.

     Just trying to understand. Do you believe MJ is dead now? Just asking.

719. zippy Says:
     April 17th, 2010 at 3:42 am

     Carmen Quote:

     Ok, let’s assume, for arguments sake, just for assumption’s sake, that Michael is still alive and the sighting at Miami International airport reported by the dozen’s of people is actually a sighting of Michael alive after June 25th, 2009: based on these assumption let’s talk about Miami International Airport.

     Carmen, I was reading what you post after replying back to Lefay quote.

     Okay, are you saying he is dead?

720. carmen Says:
     April 17th, 2010 at 3:54 am

     Part of investigating is to work towards the best but prepare as if the worst has or is happening or could happen, and that sometimes means playing ‘devil’s advocate’! It would be really stupid if Michael survived June 25th, which is my belief, and someone would kill him after, financially, legally etc..! Then again?!?!

721. carmen Says:
     April 17th, 2010 at 4:08 am

     Part of investigating is to work towards the best but prepare as if the worst has or is happening or could happen, and that sometimes means playing ‘devil’s advocate’! It would be really stupid if Michael survived June 25th, which is my belief, and someone would kill him after, financially, legally etc..! Then again?!?! Michael, if alive, is a billion $ money making talent, with at list 10years of work and 3 kids who would fallow in his footsteps if he would get a chance to raise them, 40years of on stage performance, made sony BILLIONs, everything about him is in style and so current it’s crazy, he is the hippest coolest sex symbol in today’s modern fast pace world, Michael’s the man, he always was the man, but people, society had to mature to catch up with his style! Today’s genius super society love Michael’s ground braking, powerful style more then most artist! He is the IT man!! If he survived June 25th, which is what evidence I examined indicates, yeah, it would be stupid and a big loss in every way if anybody did him harm! Then again?!?!!!

722. LeFay Says:
     April 23rd, 2010 at 11:25 pm

     Checking

723. zippy Says:
     April 23rd, 2010 at 11:31 pm

     I am doing good.
     You?
     Hmmm, where is AZT? I haven’t seen her in a minute on here.

724. carmen Says:
     April 24th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

     metabolize and leave no trace of the propofol in the stomach for the coroner to find!

     However, for the significant amount of propofol to be found in the stomach, it means that it was POURED DOWN THE VICTIM’S THROAT AFTER DEATH, when the BODY CANNOT metabolize the propofol!
     THAT, in my opinion, should prove, in any court of law, this HOMICIDE WAS NOT ACCIDENTAL BUT with PREMEDITATED INTENT TO KILL; to pour propofol down a man’s throat after death MAY have been done to maximize the effects of the drug, and cause death, unaware of the fact that the victim already died, a fact proven by the significant presence of propofol in the stomach not yet metabolize, found and noted clearly by the coroner in the autopsy report!

     That said, combined with the fact that almost every medical journal I’ve read on propofol, and trust me there is a lot of publications on propofol, all list clearly, THAT NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD PROPOFOL BE MIXED WITH MIXED WITH BENZODIAZEPINE or MIDOZOLAM, because it increases greatly the probability of death during sedation!

     I am still waiting for the doctors and anesthesiologists to get back to me on their observations and EVERYONE is ENCOURAGED to check the validity of these comments listed above, with any medical journals or professionals! These opinions seem to be accepted medical knowledge, not really something to question among doctors, but I will wait for their final answers.

     The doctor’s and anesthesiologists who’s opinion I’ve asked have not gotten back to me with a full report yet; but, all 5 of them, at the first sight of the autopsy report, immediately pointed out the propofol in the stomach is not possible unless someone poured it down the victim’s throat after death; but they will get back to me! Everyone is welcome and asked by me to do their on medical research on propofol in the stomach and how it could get in the stomach and not be metabolized!

725. carmen Says:
     April 24th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

     Why did you cut my post, why do you block my post ?

     I have discovered the scientific evidence the man presumed to be Michael was murdered, and the murder was not accidental but intentional and you cut down 80% of my post. Why?

726. zippy Says:
     April 25th, 2010 at 5:49 am

     Carmen,

     Were you referring to me?! Who did this? Surely wasn’t me.
     Email me. I am not sure what is going on the last post I see was that I responded to Marine Wife and asking about AZT.

727. zippy Says:
     April 27th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

     Carmen,

     You are on to something. The next time you type anything here always keep a copy of it okay. Hey guys, do the same, keep records of what you type and print it out. Don’t just type it once, otherwise, if anything happens you got a copy.

728. zippy Says:
     May 9th, 2010 at 5:53 am

     AZT and Marine Wife. How are you both doing? I see now the forum has become a ghost town. AZT was is your email?

729. mimi jackson Says:
     May 11th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

     you are right in saying it !!!!!!!!

730. mimi jackson Says:
     May 11th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

     they should never believe what they say in the newspapers or magazines or other!

     I love you so much !!!!!

731. zippy Says:
     May 19th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

     Hi mimi, how are you?

732. TillyAnn Says:
     June 7th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

     I totally agree with you Mimi, Nothing is as it seems I am so happy that there are people who care enough to see through what they want us to see and whats really going on

733. Ben Says:
     June 8th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

     What’s happening with this case, Dr Murray killed Michael Jackson weather deliberately or not is not the question. His on trial for his freedom which is nothing compare to taking a life. Yes Michael Jackson was a 50yr old middle aged man who had an addiction to painkillers but the doctor should not of agree to being Michael’s personal physician. Somebody has to made accountable for his death and put this matter to rest for family, friends and fans. It’s a quiet world without Michael’s but his music and videos keeps his memories alive within all who love his music and dancing ability. Justice for Michael Jackson!

734. zippy Says:
     June 10th, 2010 at 7:43 am

     Hey Carmen you still out there? Are you doing ok. I tried emailing you a few times.

735. zippy Says:
     July 7th, 2010 at 4:22 am

     Hi all of you: AZT, Carmen, Marine_wife, mimi.

     HOw is everyone?

     Marine-Wife, if you poke your head in here, what is your email address where I can reach you? I need to contact you.

736. Alem Says:
     September 5th, 2010 at 6:28 am

     Hi guys!
     I have been investigating Michaels disappearance for over a year. I discovered the MJHD hoax site in July of 2009. I have a question. Are any of you members of a hoaxsite? If so could I contact you?
     Carmen I love your theories, they are very long and I have not read them all but I will shortly :)

     Best

737. TillyAnn Says:
     September 13th, 2010 at 3:01 am

     Hi Alem, Just want you to know that Carmen doesn’t post on this sight since it was editing and blocking her post, if you publish an email, she checks back periodically she would see it.

738. zippy Says:
     September 16th, 2010 at 12:39 am

     Alem, hello, yes I am a member of one. what is your email address? Carmen doesn’t really post here due to someone or somebodies who deleted some of her comments awhile back. Her theories were touching some nerves I guess. LOL!!!

739. Thomas Says:
     January 1st, 2011 at 4:44 am

     Murray kill michael jackson. He,s story is that he see michael jackson unconscious. But when the police check the phonelist do they find that murray was on the phone for 90 minutts after he se michael unconscious.

740. marine_wife Says:
     January 6th, 2011 at 7:13 am

     Zippy??!! You still around here??

741. zippy Says:
     January 8th, 2011 at 12:51 am

     marine,

     How are you? Where have you been? Have you been in touch with Carmen?

742. marine_wife Says:
     January 9th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

     I’ve been so busy and then didn’t have a computer for several months. My laptop quit. So we just decided waited it out until Christmas and invested in super nice all in one desktop. I’m doing well though. I’ve not been in touch with Carmen. I don’t have the same email address that she had last year. Everyone just kinda fell off the planet, huh?? That’s weird.

743. zippy Says:
     January 19th, 2011 at 12:10 am

     What is your email address?

744. marine_wife Says:
     January 19th, 2011 at 8:02 am

     Zippy-

     If you can give me yours, that would be much better. Our email is a family email that our kids use. I don’t want that public where people can have it. If you can just make a temporary one through yahoo or hotmail just for me to give you the email, that would be great. Let me know what you decide. Thanks Zippy. Have a nice evening =)

     marine_wife

745. zippy Says:
     April 29th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

     How is everyone?

746. zippy Says:
     May 24th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

     Has anyone heard from Carmen?

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