Government accepts recommendation of one-rank-one pension for ex-servicemen
July 6th, 2009 - 4:35 pm ICT by ANI ( 289 comments )
New Delhi, July 6 (ANI): Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee on Monday said that the Government has decided to substantially improve the pension of pre 01.01.2006 defence pensioners below officer rank and bring pre 10.10.1997 pensioners on par with post 10.10.1997 pensioners.
Presenting the Budget proposals for the year 2009-10 in Lok Sabha, Mukherjee said that it was based on the recommendation of the Committee headed by the Cabinet Secretary on One Rank One Pension (OROP).
The Minister further said that these decisions will be implemented from July 1, 2009 and will cost the exchequer more than Rs. 2100 crore annually.
“These measures will benefit more than 12 lakh Jawans and JCOs. Certain pension benefits being extended to war wounded and other disabled pensioners are also being liberalized,” he added.
Under the one-rank one-pension scheme, a retired defence personnel of a particular rank would be entitled to same amount of pension irrespective of the year of retirement. (ANI)
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Tags: budget proposals, cabinet secretary, decisions, finance minister, july 1, lakh, Lok Sabha, measures, New Delhi, officer rank, pension benefits, pension scheme, pensioners, pranab mukherjee, rank one, retirement, union budget
July 8th, 2009 at 1:21 am
Will it also be applicable to family pension?
July 13th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Govt has just made a mockery of retired defence officers. Pm and FM think that defence officers belong to elite class and are Khandani Rayees and do not require any monetory help. My dear PM and FM saheb please think over it again. Ask yourself that have you done justice to officers. I am doubtful that you may ditch PBOR also as no final orders have been issued,.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
i am Ex-sgt Avtar Singh of air force group-1 retired on november 1988 after completing 15 years service .I desire to know how much i will be benefited by one rank one pension
July 15th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
In the budget speech, the FM declares based on the recommendations of the committee, says that pre 97 pensioners be brought in par with the year post - 1997 pensioners, these words are slightly confusing. One rank one pension means pension be given to all as per the 2006 pension recommendations.
Nothing spoke about the 70 perecent weightage which was approved by the cabinet earlier. pl pay these soldiers immediately. Everybody is waiting for it.
The serving soldiers make up their mind on the baisis of what their pensioner friends receiving from the govt. thank you sir.
July 17th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
i am Ex-subader A Raju of MEG retired on 1st november 1988 after completing 26 years service .I desire to know how much i will be benefited by one rank one pension.and please inform the correct website ref.and also govt.orders issued on the subject.
and further new issues pls inform to me the my email id
August 6th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
I am Ex-sgt Ram Binod Singh of air force group-1 retired on september 1984 after completing 16 years & 8 months service .I desire to know how much i will be benefited by one rank one pension
August 15th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Hi Guys,
This is former iaf member gp-1 jwo wef 30 nov 97, all these changes are for gp 2 and below rankers, gp-1 members forget any changes in ur pensions, it is just an eye wash, a hindi saying (Gadha-Godah eik), all ur efforts of keeping airforce hi-tech equipments sky worthy in gp-1 position were only for that period and today ur are back with gp-4 or gp-5.
August 15th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Officers led our troops to victory then they led them (after retirement ) to victory for ONE RANK ONE PENSION. They were punished for this act. Kya chaal kheli hai govt ne officer or jco/jawano ko bantne me. Mubarak ho PM, FM and DM saheb
August 26th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
The govt announced the one rank one pension in the parliament. Nothing heard so far from the pension authorities. Really how much benefit the old pensioners be getting?secondly what about the 70 percent weightage to pension to serving and retired solders. I am told that still the soldiers going on pension are not being granted the 70 percent benefit. The cabinet approved this benefit before the election, once the UPA came in to power, they keep mum.The leaders of the exservicemen and the serving soldiers must speak to the govt, please circulate the real story for the information of all concerned.It is heard that the General of the army also not speaking about this problem to the authorities.Unless you strike, the civil babus never act. Please give a feed back.Thanks
September 19th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Pay fixation of an Ex-serviceman
Sunday, 9. August 2009, 09:39:59
Hello their!
I am an ex-serviceman retired from Indian defense force on 30th June`1996 as PBOR (JCO)after completing 20 years of active service. I joined a central government organization on 08th Oct`1996 as re-employed ex-serviceman. My pay was fixed on maximum of pay scale giving benefit of my previous defense service by adding 19 yearly increments and by deducting my entire pension (Basic pay minus pension). I am not getting dearness allowance with my pension. I am drawing my pension directly for public sector bank.
2. I request any body who can give me advise whether my above-mentioned pay is fixed properly if not than the corrective steps I have to take. whether I am entitled to get dearness allowance with my pension? I also came to know that recommendations of fifth pay commission were implemented w.e.f Oct`1997. Some pay scales were enhanced w.e.f Oct`1997. Person like me who retired prior to oct`1997 were not given benefit of enhanced pay scales. I also came to know their were lot many case in the court of low for remedial.
3. Now the government of India has implemented sixth pay commission’s recommendations. Any one who can send me the complete details affecting pension of ex-servicemen and their re-employment. Government also recently announced one rank on pay for ex-serviceman. Please send me details of the same. (full details along with copies of authority letters)
4. I shall remain ever grateful to who response to my this blog message.
Thanking you in anticipation!
September 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Pay fixation of an Ex-serviceman
Hello their!
I am an ex-serviceman retired from Indian Navy on 30th June`1996 as PBOR (JCO)after completing 20 years of active service. I joined a central government organization on 08th Oct`1996 as re-employed ex-serviceman. My pay was fixed on maximum of pay scale giving benefit of my previous defense service by adding 19 yearly increments and by deducting my entire pension (Basic pay minus pension). I am not getting dearness allowance with my pension. I am drawing my pension directly for public sector bank.
2. I request any body who can give me advise whether my above-mentioned pay is fixed properly if not than the corrective steps I have to take. whether I am entitled to get dearness allowance with my pension? I also came to know that recommendations of fifth pay commission were implemented w.e.f Oct`1997. Some pay scales were enhanced w.e.f Oct`1997. Person like me who retired prior to oct`1997 were not given benefit of enhanced pay scales. I also came to know their were lot many case in the court of low for remedial.
3. Now the government of India has implemented sixth pay commission’s recommendations. Any one who can send me the complete details affecting pension of ex-servicemen and their re-employment. Government also recently announced one rank on pay for ex-serviceman. Please send me details of the same. (With full details along with copies of authority letters)at my email address i.e vinod1096@gmail.com
4. I shall remain ever grateful to who response to my this blog message.
Thanking you in anticipation!
September 20th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
If u r drawing pension from SBI u get ur pension but do not know how much is basic, da or arrear. On every change pay slip must be issued to individual pensioneer or at least to the bank from where the pensioner is drawing his pension.
September 20th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
DEAR READERS,
NOW I PLEASED TO INFORM YOU THAT THE POLITICIANS AND OFFICERS CATEGORIES ARE MAKING OUR COUNTRY DOWN IN FRONT OF OTHER COUNTRY. SINCE SOME BODY WORK ITS BENEFITS WILL GET BY OTHER PERSON IT IS NOT TOLERABLE. THE OFFICERS ARE BLEADY BASTEREDS AND POLITICIANS ARE STUPIDS.
September 20th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
DEAR READER,
NOW I WOULD LIKE TO INFORM YOU THAT THE BASTERED OFFICERS AND POLITICIANS ARE TAKING MAXIMUM BENEFITS FROM GOVERNMENT BY THE NAME OF JAWANS/SAILORS/AIRMEN IT MEANS SOME BODY WORK AND ANOTHER INELIGIBLE PERSON GETTING ITS REWARD LIKE PBORS ARE ACTUALLY WORKING FOR NATION DAY AND NIGHT DUTIES TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY FROM ENEMIES BUT THE BASTERED OFFICERS ARE SLEEPING AT THAT TIME BUT BENEFIT TIME THESE BASTEREDS ARE TAMPERING THE BANENFITS OF PBORS AND GAINING THE SAME FOR THEM LIKE PROMOTIONS, PAYMENTS AND UNAVOIDABLE COMMITTMENTS.
PLEASE BASTERED OFFICERS OF CIVIL AND DEFENCE FORCES STOP THESE ACTIVIIES IN FUTURE OTHERWISE ONE DAY YOU BLEAD BASTEREDS WILL GET REWARD LIKE STONING AND OTHER ANY INCIDENTS FROM ANYBODY.
THANKS
SK NAIR EX CPO WTR
September 21st, 2009 at 5:28 am
OROP why only to defence persons,what sin civilians have done.If Defence personels are thinking that they are the only gaurdian of this country.It is wrong thing going on in this country .They and their high ups are behaving like trade union leaders,govt. should immediately break up this practice.By this time they have sqeezed enough of taxpayers.They are pressing one demand after other.In fact they are immensely benifited through free ration,,traveling,taxfree commodities through canteen etc.Defence persons working in remote area are getting other allowances still they are demanding more and more. In fact there are many caders are working like civilians and there nature of job is also civil but they also want to extract the same benifit only on the name of working in defence organisations.Enogh is enogh Govt. should stop this pulling by them immediately.and also consider the civilians for OROP if defence persons doing civilian job are considered for the same.Because there is avast difference in pension drawn before and after oi-oi-2006.
September 21st, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Poor sudharkarji never knows about the military personnel ie about their duties , responsibilities, hardships they face while serving for the nation. Probably sudharkarji may be a civilian employeee, may be with a state govt or with the centre.Civilians work and live in their own style and without any pressure or compulsion. See around civil govt complexes; how much output a civilian employ has to produce; how sharp has one military man to stay, how carefully he has to stay;how much discipline he has to maintain; he is sacrificing his easy life unlike his civilian friends; thru how much odds he has to move. Sudharkarji, by luck, a civilian gets into service once -means, he stays back up to 60 without any fear, whereas a military man is being thrown out of srvice in his younger life, with a megre pension; by that time his reponsibilities will be completed only one-fourth; and that poor defence man has to go for all types odd jobs to run his family. Sudharkarji, is it the case of a civilian employ, probably you are sitting in a cage without knowing what is out side. what is the importance of military force for a nation and its people.
All nations are s triving for strong defence whereby their survical is ensured, in that scenario your comments are rearly suicidal. Correct it man for the national sake.
Yes, we did not get out dues as yet; we struggle for that now.wait and watch
thanks
September 23rd, 2009 at 12:35 pm
My dear Mr. Shree Kumar KK.
Voice what is in your mind but please do not use abusive and filthy language. Just ask your mother the meaning of “Bastard” and she will reply that “you arwe the one”
Please prove that you are from a decent and cultured family.
September 23rd, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Mr. KK please prove in future that you do not belong to “Bastard’s group” who use unparliamentry language. Just watch your language
September 23rd, 2009 at 12:41 pm
DO NOT USE FILTHY LANGUAGE YOU B_ _ _ _ _ D
September 23rd, 2009 at 11:19 pm
DEAR READER
MRRAJINDER FIRST UP ALL PLEASE TELL ME ARE YOU AN OFFICER OR JAWAN OF INDIN ARMED FORCES. IF YOU ARE OFFICER CATEGORY THEN WILL TALK ONLY THEM(OFFICERS SIDE) ONLY SINCE YOUR CATEGORY IF YOU ARE A PBORS CATEGORY YOU KNOW THE BEHAVIOUR OF BASTERED OFFICERSVERY WELL THEN ANOTHER ADVISE ON ASK MOTHER WHAT IS TH MEANING OF BASTEREDS THAT IS NOT REQUIRED TO MY MOTHER I KNOW BETTTER WAY THAT THE OFFICERS ARE BLEADY BASTEREDS
AND YOUARE NO ONE TO GIVE ORDER OR ANY ADVISE SINCE I AM AN EX SERVICE AND NOT A SERVING PERSON TO CONTROL BY USING ARMED FORCES ACT LIKE ARMY/NAVY/IR FORCE ACTS.
THANKS
SREE KUMAR KK
September 24th, 2009 at 6:03 am
My Dear Kurupji you have not understand the thim of my cmments properly.You got angry on my comments because you feel it is direct encroachment on your asking benifits.I am well aware of the hardships the defence personels are facing,but at the sametime donot under estimate the burden and tension has to be bear by civilian staff also.In defence services also one catagory is no better than the civilians.My dear friend I am not siting in cage and I have much more exposure than you,my coments were well thought.In fact you defence personels are siting in the cage and have limited thinkig.So please donot prolong further coments after coments think realistic.Do you think that a Nurse working in civil Hospital has less responsibility than a Nurse working in Military Hospital.Why she should not demand for OROP.
September 24th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
My dear KK,
My intension was not to hurt you but to make you feel that if such language is used for you then how you feel. There are bad politicians who bring bad name to the country but ther are very good politicians also who have made India prous of it’s progress. Similarly ther are well experienced and highly disciplined officers who have taken forces to such a greight height. These are the officers who gave led Indians forces to Victory in 65 and 71.
You might have been victim of some officer due to his bad deeds or your own bad discipline. That is why you are using filthy language against them. Don’t do it as it reflects your social and mental standard. The govt is not giving us our dues but we have to protest with our full united strength but in a civilized manner. Govt is not giving proper treatment to PBORS and Officers. Because senior officers are leading them in the protests, the govt is trying to create an ocean of difference between officers and PBRS. Mind it without their guidance proper treatment to all ranks is not possible.
You asked about me. Well I joined Army at an age of 14.5 yrs. After serving as OR for 10 yrs, I was commissioned as JCO. After another 13 yrs in JCO rank I got commissioned as an officer and after further 14 years I retired as Major. As an OR I took active part in 62 and 65 wars in J&K. As JCO I was in action in bangle Desh and as an officer I spent 2 years in Sri Lanka fighting LTTE.
Now join the ex servicemen to fight against the wrong policies of Govt towards all of us.
September 30th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
sir, we are confuse that, the hon rank holders are counted with officers or jcos
September 30th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
requested clarification on the aboue confusion
October 4th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Military serving and ex were granted pension with a 70 percent weightage and it was cleared by the cabibet as well. Can the editor get the factual information on it and convey to us please. and up to what time they will be disbursing the increased one rank one pension amount. thank you
October 5th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Govt has not yet declared when and what it is giving.
They r doing nautanki with us. They have billions to spend on minister’s houses but for us ………….???
October 5th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
For Maj R S Saini sir and others,
as above ser 26. Since the Govt is keeping mum and making foll the exservicemen, the exservicemen organisations are mum on this issue; why? They should educate the poor soldiers and collect them at a place. pl take comments from the leaders of the exservicemen organisations and communicate to all concerned. thanks you for interest
October 5th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
My dear Kurup Saheb,
Yes we should organise our brother ex servicemen on this matter. Because elections are about to take place shortly in some states, they want be sure that we all vote for them. That is why they are giving this lolly pop to the soldiers. Elections are the proper time when we can give them fitting reply. Please educate all the brothers in your area about this.
We appreciate you on this matter.
October 6th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
SIR, REQUESTED TO SEND REPLY WHETHER THE HON RANK HOLDERS ARE COUNTED WITH JCOS OR OFFICERS
October 7th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Dear Razak saheb,
As far as I knows yes, they are counted as officer in case you want to utilize CSD facility or apply for reemployment or self employment. But as far as pension is concerned they are PBORs. Hence Hony Offrs must benefit from One Rank One Pension. We will clarify further as I may be wrong.
October 7th, 2009 at 11:27 am
May I request our Def Minister and COAS to organise an Enquiry office where we can put up all our queries ONLINE.
October 8th, 2009 at 10:26 am
RESPECTED MAJ RS SAINISAHEB,
THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY
WITH REGARDS
ABDUL RAZAK
TVS@SONS PALAKAD
October 9th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Sir,
Since the govt is mum on many matters including 70 percent weightage on pension and one rank one pension delivery date, why dont we give an RTI application. pl suggest
Kurup
October 12th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Dear my Ex-Service Brothers,
Rather than fighting each other among officers and PBORs, try to find some solutions to get OROP implemented at the earliest. If possible, advice officers category personnel not to interupt the implementation by equalising every one just for want of benefits extended to PBORs. They can fight for their rights and get the benefits as most of the senior officers having political contacts of various parties.
PDP Ganesan
October 12th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
It is an very good idea. Go ahead. Apply under RTI to defence minister and finance minister.
October 12th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
U R MORE THEN CORRECT. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT PBORS GET FULL BENFIT. THEY MUST BE LOOKED AFTER WITH TOP PRIORITY. AT THE SAME TIME OFFICERS SHOULD NOT BE IGNORED. THIS MUST BE OUR COMBINED STRUGGLE.
October 14th, 2009 at 11:30 am
For Maj Saini and other interested soldiers,
I just gathered that 70 percent weightage is not allowed by the govt, I have no confirmation. Pl find out from your sources as well.We can get this information thru an RTI. Since the exservicemen were drawing pension thru the 70 percent weightage, how this pay commission can take out this benefit. If any knowledgable person reads this, pl advise us the legal side of it. I think the exservicemen were enjoing the pension on the 70 percent weightage, I dont think such benefits can be taken away from them in a fine morning; infact something can be added. Please get some information and comment. If this is the case , surely we have to go to the court.
Thanks
October 15th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Dear Maj Saini saheb,
Thank you for your comments stating that top priority must be given to PBORs. At the same time, kindly pass on your acceptance to http://www.IESM.org (in my opinion it is a website which speaks so many things about equivalisation). If you compare the benefits and preferences between Off & PBORs, difference is a lot. But we should stand united to fight. When it comes clearly that officers are opposing implementation of OROP to PBORs for want of same to them, we can not say it is unity. Advise and ask them to get OROP implemented first and fight quotingand demanding the same for them.
I would like to know the procedure to apply for RTI.
Thanks. Warm regards.
October 15th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
I do no think that any officer opposes OROP to PBORs. In fact it must be implemented immediately. Once it is implemented,it will make a solid ground for officers to fight for their rights.
October 18th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
My Dear brothers,
Our Govt. is taking advantage of our inability that we can not get union and make rasta roko, chakka jam andolan etc. We should do something that we, who served the nation under worst conditions are not week.
Best regards
Hari.
October 19th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
My Dear Haribabu,
u r correct. The govt. has taken for granted that we cant fight for our rights. We are disciplined lot. We cant burn trains, buses or govt property. we cant block trains or roads. Govt listens only to people who do such thing. No we cant do this but we have find a way to nail our demands into the head of govt.
Next time please do not vote for those who do nothing for us.
October 31st, 2009 at 10:22 am
i am Ex-sgt RP Goswamiof air force group-y retired on november 2005 after completing 20 years service .I desire to know how much i will be benefited by one rank one pension
October 31st, 2009 at 8:52 pm
My dear RP Goswami
70% and then OROP. Our hounerable PM and FM and DM are constructing a Mirage around us. More we go deep more we find nothing. Govt never accepted OROP but cleverly announced that our pensions will be increased. “How much and when” no body knows not even the govt. have a patience and wait, may be, for years.
November 1st, 2009 at 1:34 pm
i served for Indian Army and retired as a Captain (Officer)
Would be interested to know status of one rank one pension for officer category
November 1st, 2009 at 7:48 pm
My dear Capt BC,
Now as you said that you redired as Capt, I am sorry that our govt has nothing for you in the bag.
Bhagwan inhe sadbudhhi de.
Our most respected PM had promised some benefits to PBORs. Please note that technically he did not promised OROP. Also there was no time limit given for implementation.
JAI HIND
November 4th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
What is actual rule for re-employed military pensioner holder about their DA of Military Pension.
November 6th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
May I be acquainted with the procedure of pay fixation for re-employed, defence pensioner in state govt.
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Dear Sahib,
Is there any one who can help me to know the procedure for RTI. Many senior officers are there who have close contact with all level politicians, they all can use their influence to get OROP for lower deck personnel(In Naval Term). Encourage them to so at first, itself will entail them to get the same at a later stage.
Thanking you
November 23rd, 2009 at 9:01 pm
DEAR READER,
AT PRESENT I AM NOT BELIEVING MY GOVERNMENT, NATION AND PEOPLE FOREVER TILL MY DEATH SO I AM NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING FROM THESE PEOPLE(OFFICERS) AND POLITICIANS, GOVERNMENT, I ALSO DECIDED THAT IN FUTURE I WILL NOT CONTRIBUTE ANY VOTE TO ANY PARTY DURING ELECTIONS AND WILL NOT CONTRIBUTE ANY MONEY TO ANYBODY AT ANY INCIDENTS SUCH AS NATURAL CALMITY, FLOOD& SIMILAR TYPES OF SITUATIONS AT INDIA. I UNDERSTOOD THAT OUR GOVERNMENT AND OFFICERS ARE ALWAYS CHEATING POOR PBORS AND JUNIOR RATES OTHER THAN OFFICERS & RICH PEOPLES ALSO GOVERNMERNT IS INTERESTED ONLY WELFARE OF RICH PEOPLE AND OFFICERS(CIVIL ADMINISTRATION& DEFENCE FORCES) ONLY AND INTERESTED TO CHEAT POOR PEOPLE.
THANKING YOU,
SREE KUMAR KK EX CPO WTR
November 23rd, 2009 at 9:34 pm
For dear Ganeshan Saheb,
please type” Right To Information Act” in your search engine and you
will get the complete act. Save it and read it. You will also get the
form in it. It is very easy. If you have any problem send me your
email and I will send it to you.
For dear KK Saheb,
I agree with you upto some extent. WHEN WAR IS ON, GOD AND SOLDIER ARE
REMEMBRED BUT WHEN WE WIN AND THE WAR IS OVER, GOD IS FORGOTTEN AND
SOLDIER IS ILL TREATED, ALL THE PROMISES ARE FORGOTTEN.
November 24th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Hai KK Sree Kumar CPOWTR
Life is very long. We should continue fighting till we achieve our goal. Don’t get frustrated soon. Consider your writing through some .com may help some of our brothers who do not know what is going on in Govt. level with regard to OROP.
Because when I go to Canteen once a month, many of our brothers keep asking each other including me how about OROP, then they disburse. We like people are atleast writing some thing on a website which may become a reason, if OROP implemented. Please keep writing. I am also a POWTR.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Dear Sir,
I am retired as a Hony Nb Sub. Please told me can I get pension of Nb Sub Rank
December 5th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Dear Rajaram ji,
I think you must get the pension for Nb Sub. I am not that sure. You must write to CDA pension and if u do not get answer then you can use RTI.
December 7th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
DEAR READER,
ANYTHING HAPPEN I AM NOT INTERESTED WITH ANYTHING TO TAKE ADSVANTAGE FROM GOVERNMENT SINCE I AM NOT BELIEVING MY COUNTRY, POLITICIANS, OFFICERS CATEGORY HENCE I AM NOT INTERESTED TO TALK MORE. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN AT INDIA OTHER THAN WELFARE OF OFFICERS, RICH PEOPLE AND OFFICERS OF DEFENCE FORCES ALSO ONE THING HAPPEN DAY BY DAY DOWNGRADING POOR BELOW OFFICERS CATEGORIES OF CIVIL ADMINISTRATION AND PBORS OF ARMED FORCES. IN FUTURE I WILL CONTRIBUTE ANY VOTE FROM SIDE AS WEL AS FROM MY FAMILY. I WILL MAKE SURE IT IN FUTURE.
THIS IS FOR INFORMATION OF MAJOR RP SAINI ALSO
THANKING YOU
SREE KUMAR KK EX CPO WTR
December 8th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
dear KK Saheb,
do not lose heart. keep fighting. some day u will win.
December 8th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Lo every body reading this news,
Regarding one rank pension, I am learning from the leaders of exservicemen that the govt is not accepting the demand of one rank one pension. What precisely I understand is that the exserviceman leadership is not very anxious to do it. Sir thru this blog why dont u call the exserviceman associations of various states and arrange a meeting in Delhi and take some steps to do some thing in this regard.Incase you take some initiative and do some thing. comeout with your opinions and write to pm on blog , it is not something will comeout.write to me on this site. sitting idle means nothing will happend. The present leadership is not pursuing the matter.every will propagate this message to various states. There are many hidden problems.
December 9th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Dear Kurup Saeb,
it is because we do not form a decisive vote bank. Even if all of us vote against ruling party we wont be able to defeat them. Our presint Chiefs can do some thing. We must reqyuest them to come to our aid.Firstly Govt tried to isolate retired officers by declaring that One Rank One Pension will be given to PBORs and not Officers. We welcome it and request that Govt must stand by it’s words. But no, they have ditched PBORs, as expected. It is a shame for them. Yes we are always at receiving end. Next time do not vote for them.
December 10th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Dear Sir,Saini sir,
After blaming the govt, sitting mum is not the answer, we re-organise our exservicemen group. must inform the state units and must hold a meeting in Delhi and take the help of the MPs of all political parties, The govt can solve the problems of all, but not the exservicemen. Why dont our leaders sent an open call explaining the stand of the IAS cadre in ditching the exservicemen. Since u have a blog and must be aware of the developments, please jump into some action. sitting idle means legs get paralised, similarly ours also. A group of exservicemen must approach the MPs in Delhi and convince them, defenitely we will have the support. dont sit idle till the next election/vote. Please let me know the decision. Thanks sir
December 12th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Dear Major Saini Saheb,
As all are aware that ex-servicemen League, TEXCO, DSSAB and so many organisations are formed on the name of ex-servicemen in District, State and National Level. But there is no one to motivate ESMs to get united and fight for the rights. Untill We throng Delhi by gathering at least 50% of ESMs to get our benefit we won’t be able to get anything from the Govt. So what is my request is that Please write to all such organisations of ESMs to motivate those come under their union/organisation to arrange an assembling atleast in District level first. So that the Govt. will definitely turn towards us. Kindly do this to achieve some result.
Thanks. With warm regards.
December 13th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
DEAR MAJ SAINI,
YOU OFFICERS CATEGORY DO NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEM IN LIFE BUT LIKE A PERSON BELOW OFFICER RANKS ARE LOT OF PROBLEMS IN SERVICE AND CIVIL ALSO SINCE IN SERVICE OFFICERS ARE INTERESTED TO HARRASS MAXIMUM TO THEIR PBORS AND RECOMMENDING VERY LOW PAY SCALES AND PENSIONS TO PBORS AFTER RETIREMENT ALSO YOU WILL GET GOOD PENSION BUT POOR PBORS WILL GET IF RS. 100/- ALSO FOR THEM IS VERY GREATFUL. ONCE AGAIN I AM TELLING THAT I AM NOT BELIEVING INDIA AND ITS PEOPLE TILL DEATH AND I AM NOT EXPECTING ANY THING FROM GOVERNMENT DUE TO THIS. I EXPECTED EARLIER BUT NOW IREALISE THAT POOR PEOPLE WILL NOT GET ANYTHING OTHER THAN BLAMES AND CHEATING FROM GOVERNMENT & OFFICERS.
THANKS
SREE KUMAR KK EX CPO WTR
December 15th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Dear Ganeshan saheb and all brothers,
Ex servicemen groups are, unfortunately formed by political parties, and hence they do not speak the language of soldiers, they speak the language of a particular party.
December 15th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Thru my last mail, I have requested everybody to organise and find an opportunity to assemble and meet the govt thru help of all political parties. Send your concurrence on my mail so that thru mailk we can communicate and find out some way out. do fast. Saini sir, you organise it we are at your call
December 15th, 2009 at 10:15 am
from kurup. Sorry I forgot to mention my mail Id .It is boscobooks@rediffmail.com
December 15th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Dear Maj Saini Sir,
Trying to organise something is our duty. On my next visit to Ex-servicemen league at Madurai, I will insist its Secretary to arrange. At your end, write to authoirities known and listen to you to organise a gathering immaterial of the political party concerned. Frequent writing may change their “View”. Please try to spare your valuable time to find email or postal addresses of such organisations and encourage them to gather the members at their district level to make them aware of gathering to get benefits for through out our life. If not 100% atleast 30 - 50% will turn up.
Thanking you.
December 16th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Dear sir,
Date of entrolment first june 1959 date of retairment 31 June 1981, total service 22 years. What is my basic pension, after the 6th central pay comition/one rank one pension. I came to know HONY/NBSUB is treat us NBSUB, pls replay to me as possible immediatly.
December 16th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Friends,
Very recently I seen a notice with regard to OROP in the ECHS Polyclinic at OOtivakkam, Kanjeepuram. Details have been given but For wservice rendered 15 years has no mention. What does this show? Is it that the ex servicemem who served for less than 20 years are not entitled to this benifit? Some one please emlighten. God bless u all
December 20th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
22 years of service (b group)
retired on 30 june 1985 , wanted to know about the present pension after 6th pay commision recomentation
,cale reqired
someone help plz……
20-12-2009
sunday
December 26th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
DEAR READERS,
WHY YOU PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING FOR ONE RANK ONE PENSION FOR LAST 30 YEARS. YOU PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW KNOW THAT ALL THE WELFARE MARTTERS WILL GOES TO RICH PEOPLE, CIVIL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICERS, OFFICERS CATEGORIES OF CIVIL AND DEFENCE FORCES SINCE INDEPENDENCE. SO MY HUMBLE REQUEST IS TO GIVE GOOD KICK TO ALL THESE BASTEREDS POLITICIANS & OFFICERS ON THE SIGHT THEN ONLY INDIA WILL IMPROVE FURTHER OTHER WISE YOU PEOPLE WILL GO DOWN IN FUTURE.
THANKS
SREE KUMAR KK EX CPO WTR
December 30th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
i retired on 31 dec 1992 aas cpo navy after 16 years how much i will be benefitted after orop
December 31st, 2009 at 10:08 am
Hi friends,
I wish you all a Happy New Year.
I am working to find out pension calculators. When I succeed I will request you to send me your email so that I can send it to you. If any of our Br has got it then throw this facility to all brothers.
January 4th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Dear Readers,
After reading various comments posted by many of my friends, it is seen that there is a big frustration on everyone’s mind. There is no point in scolding someone. I dont think it takes more time for a person to rate this country. This is disguised nation. Here the rich, powerful and mighty people can only survive. Because these category people can get away easily after committing grave crimes. Whereas look at other countries. So there is no point is wasting your energy. Moreover, the so called Officers of the Armed Forces think that there are the most genious people. Whereas I am sure having seen the civil counterpart, these Officers cannot survive even a single day. There is a huge difference between an IAS and a Defence Officer. An IAS commands an in-discplined force where you will find people are not literate/educated also. Whereas the Military Officer is commanding an discipline force. So there is nothing big with these Officers. They are very smart in shouting at their sub-ordinate. Whereas they cannot even say a word to a civilian who is working under him in many of the Defence Establishments. So wait for the bureacrates to take their own decision. Finally very few Officers and below Officers rank people know about the current activities and civil societies.
VKRC Nair.
January 6th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Dear frnds and especially Mr.VRKC Nair. The discussion is not about the capabilities or negative points about Army officers, we do not want any comparison with IAS. Our discussion is that we are being cheated by our govt. yes our officers, the high brass, is partially to be blamed. These are very sr officers who are policy mskers. ther were officers of Lt Gen rank sitting on hunger strike for OROP. Govt tried to seperate them from PBORs by declaring that only PBORs will be given or may be given OROP. I do not know how far govt sucseeded in doing so. But definitly govt has cheated PBORs. As officers we are with the PBORs. Govt must give OROP to PBORs. We welcome this. We will try our struggle for officers later on.During service you might have suffered in the hands of officer due to hardfship of service, wrong decision by some officer or of course your own indiscipline. But thie is no time to argue. We all are ex servicemen now and we are totally powerless. One of our dear friends has called officers “Bastards”. I pray to God that his son must get commission into defense forces than will he call him the same name? No, we are showing our mental instability , loss of our thinking power or our “IQ” by saying so. Our discussion is about ill treatment towards ex servicemen. If you want to analyse, praise or abuse officers then please start a new blog for that.
January 6th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
Dear friends, please do mention ur service last basic pay, date of retirement, last pension details as per PPO . give your email. I will try to find out about yourn querry as I have got complete 6th pay commission report and pension calculator for pers retired before 2006. my email is majrajinder@gmail.com yes as it is my personal email address you may abuse me. I will enjoy
January 20th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Dear Saini Sir,
I am told that it was told in the District level gathering of Ex-servicemen at Paramakudi in Tamil Nadu that OROP orders have been finalised and draft orders sent to Defence Service Headquarters. But no comments have yet been posted by the Three Chiefs since there is no mention about officers entitlement for OROP. And further, some ex-Air Force personnel filed petition in Court seeking effective date for OROP with effect from 01 Jan 2006, I would like to know whether it is true?. And if it is true what being done is not fair. Beacuse no one can agree that all are same after quitting service as you said. I would like to ask only one question would any officer category person like to stand in queue with JCO’s and OR’s in Canteen. They want a separate line, previlege, entitlement, ceiling and every thing almost equal with what they enjoyed whilst in service. These sort of activities are iritating PBORs even after retirement also. So I would like to request all Off category personnel not to interfere in implementation of OROP to PBORs. You can very well fight for you quoting this after implementation.
Thanks.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
My Dear Ganesh,
We can understand your feelings. Our chiefs are busy in their day to day activities and facing new challenges. They have already approved, Now this issue (orop) is in the basket of Govt of India, Finance ministry. I’m also belong to OR community. At least try to understand the limitations of Officers. Even they are also facing problems at their level after retirement like us. Difference between us and Offices is only facilities. They are here to help us if required from their end. Please don’t think that they are against to us. gone are days when we are in service there have been cold war kind of thing between us. It’s time for us to seriously look at Govt when they are implementing the OROP.
Thank you very much.
Kind regards
Hari.
January 20th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
I am Parmanand Suyal an Ex- serviveman from Army.If one rank one pension would be entitled to the defence personal, it would be a greatgift for us. I fully hope to the present Govt that this Govt surely fulfill the need of Ex men.
I would like to say one more thing that there are many probelms of ex men like pensions related. Bank are not aware that how to calculate the arrears and the matters are still pending. I am also facing such type of problem.
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:41 am
Dear friends,
Thereb are many other websites like
repor my signal
armedforces.nic.in
bharat-rakshak.com etc. Just type indian forces websiyes in ur search engine and u will get all.
now regarding OROP– lot of misguiding is t5here. If it is decided, next day all papers will be full of this news, So nothing has been decided or revealed. The chiefs have nothing to do with it.
Some of our friends have put up a point6 that retired officers must stand in the Q in canteens. Tomorrow all civ retired people will ask for the CSD facilities as they are also central govt retirees. This is not fare. I have got a lot of retired frnds here. Some of them are sepoys, ncos and jcos. They are senior to mne in age and so I always greet them first give them full respectin socity. But in Canteen I use my facility. When I paid Rs 18000/- for ECHS no body said officers must pay less. Officer or PBOR, we belong to the same economical socity. Almost all PBORs in my area are having property worth crores against my worth few lakhs, but as an officer I am an officer and do guide them whenever required. Let us not drift away on minor points. We must fight for our rights that is OROP for PBORS as well as Officers.
January 26th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Hve the same querry as thousands of brother airmen ie what is the pension fitment scale for those who are discharged after 18 yearswillsomeone pl clear my doubt ? The following are my details I retired as Cpl RadioFit in 1983 from IAF so now how much should be my monthly pension
January 27th, 2010 at 12:18 am
My dear friends,
It seems a lot of us have doubt about our pension especially if we are pre 2006 retirees. Pse send me email, I will send you the pension calculator so that u may check ur pension. my email is
majrajinder@gmail.com
I am busy as well as a pateint. But I will do this service to u ervery Sunday.
January 30th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Sir,
I am Ex-JWO Gp-I From IAF Retd on 05 Apr 1995. Kindly intimate How much pension I would get in One Rank One Pension.
January 30th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Dear Gyaneshwar ji,
I m sorry to say that so far govt. had only promised to do something for PBORs to increase pension. How much? no one knows. When? no one knows. No promise has been made for OROP.Just wait and watch.
February 1st, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Hello there,
It does not make sense at all why must we separate officers and PBORs WRT OROP
February 2nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm
We as nation of India do not want to give OROP to our troops. If it is possible to deny this then we must deny and save a lot of money which would be unnecessarily going to ex servicemen. It has been observes that very senior officers are guiding ex servicemen for their fight for OROP. So two steps have been taken:
1. Declare something sounding like OROP to PBOR. This would make PBORS happy and the guidance by these senior officers would not trouble government.
Now once the senior officers have been separated from PBOR and the gap widens, do not give any thing to PBORs as nothing had been promised to them.
My dear friends the govt has succeeded. To shut up your mouth some thing (not OROP) will be given to you as lollipop and without guidance of our very senior officers, the war heroes our brave PBORs will be able to do nothing.
So wake up. IT IS NOW OR NEVER. Without the guidance of these very senior officers we would be able to do nothing. Do you think that War is won without planning of superior officers?
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Dear Brother ex_servicemen, It is well to give ur comments on this page, but who is reading u or who cares? The Government had made a commitment to us to garner our precious votes and now they r backtracking the issue. TheCongress Govt and their allies should be rest assured that they will not get a single vote from the ex_servicemen in any future elections because they have deceived us. How long more should the government expect the Old ex_service men , who in their twilight years to wait? Mr. Mukherjee should move the issue now or regret later.
February 3rd, 2010 at 8:00 pm
i am Ex-Naik D.MOHAN retired on 31ST MAY 1993 after completing 18 years service .I desire to know how much i will be benefited by one rank one pension.and please inform the correct website ref.and also govt.orders issued on the subject.
and further new issues pls inform to me my email id.
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Dear Sir,
I had been sent home on medical grounds in the year of 2000 when there were only days left to become sepoy by giving 20% disability pension along with service pension. As per the recent announcement made by FM of India in Parliament regarding OROP, will it be applicable to me as I am a disabled Recruit, please let me know
February 5th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
My dearest bros,
Am K gopalakrishnan retired on 01 Jan 90 after serving 24 years of service as Hav.Recently say two months earlier, I had to view all comments in regard to one rank one pension in various blogs. Certainly I had some ill feeling by reading it.Why we should quarrel each other through the blog .As u are allknows no politician or ministers are read our comments, then why we should cry through the comments.Honestly speaking, the present government is not interested to implement one rank one pension as the same is not their pension cell (congress). There is no one in the cabinet who knows the life of a soldier either a PBOR or offr and even they dont know the life of a poor. The then finacne minister Mr chithambaram is belong to ruler family, PM knows only about world bank , then UPA chairperson. May they are adjusting the 2100 croes by given us some meagure money. Solet us cry loud, contact other politcal leaders who supporting the present government.their voice will be taken heavily by the congress so that to remain in power. If anything mentioned by me hurts anyone, then pardon me
Always your brother
KGopalakrishnan
jansuku@gmail.com
February 5th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
Please ask your MP, MLA and other local politicians about what they have been doing for OROP. Tell them bluntly that if “You have been doing nothing for us, we are not going to vote for your candidate in the next elections”
February 8th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
Dear Comrades,
The poloticians will not do any thing for us. They know to give promise only, but never fulfil it. A number of our ex officers are in politics and some of them enjoyed the minister posts in Central and State govts slso. They now our problem greater than others. But what they have done for us. The so called media wants HOT NEWS only. Instead of running pillar to post we both Ex-service and Serving personnel fight for our right unitedly. Today’s 2006 (6th PC) pensioner, tomorrows pre 7th PC pensioners. I hope WE WILL OVERCOME ONE DAY.
“JAI HIND”
B Balasubramaniam
February 9th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
Dear brothers,
If I am of any service please do email me on majrajinder@gmail.com.
this topic of OROP is useless. regards and good bye
February 11th, 2010 at 9:45 am
how much pension of 85years old retired sub. increases please send me details on my mail site.
March 17th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
I am ex naik completed 15 years os service in Asc (MT)now how pension get as per one rank one pension
March 17th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
respected sir, very much annoyed
as per the latest policy for
finance benifit hon rank holders
are counted with officers. it is
correct or not?
abdul razak
sub (hon capt)
09895566225
March 18th, 2010 at 12:11 am
OK friends I am back for a while. Govt has fooled PBORs with OROP. Please do mail me at majrajinder@gmail.com I will send you pension circular no 360. You may find your new scale of pension your self and do some service to your friends.
There is a good news that Armed Forces Tribunal Chandigarh has given orders to Govt of India for exact OROP to all Officers and PBORs. It is our combined victory. Now Govt will go to Supreme Court. Let us fight together and win again in SC
Pse go to blog “reportmysignals”
March 18th, 2010 at 12:21 am
Dear Razak saheb and other Hony Offcrs, yes I am sorry to say that you have been totally ignored in so called OROP. Do no lose heart. We have won in Army Tribunal and we will win in SC also
March 19th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
I am an ex-service man, My retirement year is 1984, I had completed 15 years of my service. How can I calculate my pension according to one rank one pay.
Thank you sir,
March 19th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
Iam Hony. NB/Subedar of EME retired on 31 October 1977 after completing 24 years service .I desire to know how much i will be benefited by one rank one pension.and please inform the correct website ref.and also govt.orders issued on the subject.
and further new issues pls inform to me the my email id
bhavani_nair2003@yahoo.com
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:50 pm
NK Kandhari Says;
Iam retied on 31 Oct 1997 After 17 year service.kindly intimate how much pension i would get in one rank one pension.for further issuer inform me on my id
suryavanshi_billa@yahoo.com
March 24th, 2010 at 9:46 am
Dear brothers,
I have gotr the Pension Circular no 430 which shows your new pension. It is not applicable to persons with Hony Commission.
Do write me if you want it.
majrajinder@gmail.com
March 24th, 2010 at 9:49 am
Dear Suryavanshi,
I tried to send you the pension cicular bu it failed.
Send me an email so that I can send it to you
March 24th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
Hello, I was in Bengal Sappers and retired on 31st Nov 1982,after completing 15 years of service,having Gropu D.What will be my pension/ month according to the One Rank One Pension Scheme.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
dear sir,
I am ex nk kandhari.I have given my id(s/no 98) yet i hadn’t receive any response from your side.please response me as early as possible.
Thank you sir
March 26th, 2010 at 11:00 am
Hi brothers,
my request to all. If you want new pension circular then please send me an email on majrajinder@gmail.com I will send you the cirular.
Regards—- Maj RS Saini
March 26th, 2010 at 11:14 am
Dear all,
please send me email on majrajinder@gmail.com I will send the circular by reply mail.
regards—Maj RS Saini
March 26th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
Dear Friends,
Please go to website
http://pcdapension.nic.in/6cpc/armyOrder.htm
for any doubt on pension. All the pension circulars are given here. For example, for OROP download circular no. 430.
warm regards–Maj RS Saini
March 30th, 2010 at 1:47 am
Iam MOHAN LAL Subedar in SIGNAL retired on 31 MAY 1991 after completing 28 years service .I desire to know how much i will be benefited by one rank one pension.I also want to know what will be mine basic pay and medical pay now. please reply to me on this emailid. i will be very thankful to you.
April 1st, 2010 at 9:22 pm
This is Raghu,ex naik done 14 years service in army.
Is one rank one pension applicable for me(disability pension)?
April 2nd, 2010 at 10:28 am
Once again I request you all to visit
http://pcdapension.nic.in/6cpc/armyOrder.htm
All the pension cirulars are available on this site
April 2nd, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Dear brothers,
Wish u a happy Good Friday to all.
Now to comes to the point. Supreme court heavily slap on the government that “dont treat soldiers like beggers” yesterday.So some high instituiton is there tolook after our case.Asper Article 145 of Indian constitution we had the right to ask OROP which cannot be denied by any government.The fact is same OROP have been given in Kerala, Punjab and some other states where the central govt is not all interested to implement it. But OROP for President ,PM and cabinet and state ministers, MPS oflok sabha and rajya sabha, judges, and indian administrative services have all been impleted wherein there was no any administravie difficulties or financial constraint to the government.If things are going like , then one day our forces will be under ambanis and etc.Indian national congress not INC italian national congress wantys to demoral;ise our soldiers, so that any country could invade our country. we should resist it firmly or otherwise will be again slaves .
April 2nd, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Dear Gopala Krishnan ,
Kindly educate us on the remarks by SC. In which paper can I find it. It is really a good news. Thanks.
April 2nd, 2010 at 6:33 pm
For those who retired on disability may contact me on majrajinder@gmail.com
now I have the letters
April 3rd, 2010 at 11:27 am
My dear saini sir,
The news which have been read in NDTV . And there was a big column in malayala manaoram, mathrubhumi, which are malayalam publications.I dont know the same have been published in any english or hindi papers. May be the Hindu has to piublished it. Iwill try my best to find out and will intimated to you sir
April 3rd, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Dear Saini Sir,
I am try to translate the news in Malayala Manorama in regard to courts verdict and findings.There was one CS Sisdhu an SSC offr who join the army during 1968 and his right hand was amputated during 1970 and he was discharged during 1978. MOD has sanctioned Rs 1000/pm as pension to the opffr. the offr plead the govt to raise his pension but it was rejected. Then he appeal to the High court of haryana and punjab wherein full pension has been ordered by the court. then the central govt file a SLP with supreme court.The finding of the court as under quote.One begger could get rs one thousand if he beg anywhere in Delhi. But you (the govt) give only rs one thousand who lost his one hand while guard the nation.It is most un tolerble as we other than the forces live in peace only they guard us, our property, our land. unquote
I try to translate it, but in malayalam the court was very anger. thats all sir
April 3rd, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Dear Saini sir,
Now I have the clerversion of court findings.follows
Dont treat army men like beggers” SC tell government.
If a person goes to any part of Delhi and sits for begging, he will earn rs 1000 everyday and you are offeringa pittance of rs 1000 per month for a man who fought for the country in the high altitude and whose arm was amuputated.
Is this way you treat those brave army offrs, It is unfortunate that you are treating them like beggers a bench of Justice Markandeya Katjy and AK Patnaik said in verbal comments while passing the order.
The army personnel are bravely defending the country even at the cost of their lives and they should be treated in a better and more humane manner by the govt auth, particularly in respect of their emoluments, pension and other benefits, the bench said in order.
There was an element of drama in the court when the addl solicitor general Parag Tripathi pleaded with the court not to use strong words” in the order like “beggers. niggardly, miserly, following which the bench dropped them from the written order.
Sir now I think you had full info
April 3rd, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Thanks dear Gopala,
Our Hindi news channel just showd it as statement flashed for few seconds. Today the media is after Sania or the cricket players they do not have any space for the soldiers. It is shame for media, our government, the party in power as well as all the politicians
April 3rd, 2010 at 4:50 pm
sir,
Now another attempt by the govt. recently some hrs before veerappamoily send back the namesof judges who were recommended to be senior judges by the supreme court coolegeum.bcas they want their own men in the courts.
However there are someone in the courts who will look after the article 14 and upheld the constitution. As AFT chandigarh has ordered to issue OROP in two cases, the govt will have to file SLP withsupre court. time will be taken but we hope in the courts.
thanks sir
April 8th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Respected sir, I was in indian navy from 1976 june 30th to 1981mar31 with two months annual leave, Indin navy sent me out on midical ground ……..any my medical cateogry was .eeeeeeeeeee..in 1979 i had fits and i have fallen …my friends sailors took me to INHS Ashwini….there b i was admitted there for fits treatment …One Dr Major kurian..askme do lumber puncture…If i will reject then o woll be thrown from navy ….so i agreed for lumber puncture ………Finally in 1980 navy Doctors sent me too command hospital pune.. fromthere they awarded medical cateogry eeeeeeeeeee…without any pension………………so what to do sir?
April 9th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Dear friends, I am ex jwo.jayaraman.r.elect fitter. SErved in iaf from 25-1-1965 to 31-1-1985.I was re-employed in indian over seas bank and retired after 21.5.years.I hope the o r o p may be possible in the next budget. Let us wait and watch. Now let start our one more problem of 2nd family pension. Can any body throw some light on this subject.Thanks.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:06 am
once again this is raghu.
done 14 years service in artilary and recieving service element pension + disability pension.
Is one rank one pension applicable to me.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:10 am
once again this is raghu finished 14 years service in artilary.
now i am recieving service element pension + disability pension.Is one rank one pension applicable for me.
April 13th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
im G.krishna rao retaired in1992
plese give me benefits tomy email address
April 20th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
In spite of several request to several person, till day my problem is not solved. I would like to know my exact pension as our bank is not dealing any help with us. I am JWO Banerjee served for 20 yrs as Rdo/Fit in IAF and retaired on 30th Nov 2002, thing is that I hold JWO rank for 5 months before dischargement.
April 20th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Saini Sir,
I want to bring to notice thru u some parity in pension even after implementation of OROP. As per circular No 430 dt 10.3.10 basic pension of subedar with 28 years pre 2006 retirees has been fixed as Rs 11970/pm whereas my pension has been fixed as Rs 9755/- pm I have been retired on 30 Jun 2006 in the rank of subedar with 28 year of service. Apart from my pension, as far as my calculation and idea is concerned no subedar, except X Gp and directed entry JCO, will get basic pension equal to or more than 11970/-pm. Is something is being done by the government on this issue or post 2006 pensioners will have to approach to court.
Thanking you.
Regards
April 20th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Dear Sub Mahender Singh,
1. Please use RTI to find out your pension, from pension office Allahabad.
2. There are pension adalats from time to time.
Dear Bannerjee,
send me email on majrajinder@gmail.com I will send u the pension circular
April 22nd, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Dear bros,
It is better , we should go through court of law . Mrs President will not come openly in front of us as she is a slave of her party. She is only a rubber stamp of the govt.
April 22nd, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Dear Fiennds, Jai Hind. Retired on 1984. Any body can tell me whats all going .. When we will ge getting one rank and one pension. any wild guess how much we will be benifited from it?
Ok lets say . at present my pension is XRs, after getting one rank and one pension what will be increased in my pension.
Thanks,
Jai Hind
April 26th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Dear Sir,
I retired from Indian
Army on 1st Jun 1980 as a Sub Major Group ‘B’. What will be
my pension as per one rank one
pension sanctioned by Govt.
With regards. Thanks
April 28th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Honorable Minister, Glad to read your decisions. But what about the manner in which the morale of Airforce personnel which is at the lowest now( and will remain forever) due to the blunder committed by the devastating promotion policies. We had shed our blood and sweat for the country and ultimately we had to suffer at the hands of some mischevious officials who formulated the promotion policy which eventually destroyed countless lives.
Kindly redress if possible and every soldier will be indebted to you forever.
April 28th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
i am Ex-nk b.mohanty of Army group-4 retired on march-1997 after completing 17 years service .I desire to know how much i will be benefited by one rank one pension.
April 28th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Dear friends,
The rate of DA is as under
Dearness Allowance after CPC approved:
1.01.06 — 0 %
1.07.06 — 2%
1,01.07 — 6 %
1.07.07 — 9 %
1.01.08 — 12%
1.07.08 — 16%
I do not know for the consequent period. Please share your knowledge with us.
Thanks–majrajinder@gmail.com
April 30th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
self served in 2nd world war and getting life pension @ rs 5770/ per month . what will be my one rank one pension. please inform me the next revised pension under this propsals
regards
s.kmurthy
naval pensioner
May 2nd, 2010 at 10:57 pm
i am Ex-sgt Rishi Datt of air force group-3 retired on 30 june 1975 after completing 15 years service .I desire to know how much i will be benefited by one rank one pension
May 3rd, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Dear ex-service sirs,
The last rank held by you and length of service and date of release should be known to find and tell the revised pension. Otherwise you can browse and find your revised basic pension from PCDA website. You have to add 35% DR alongwith your basic pension and deduct commutation amount if you are less than 15 years from date of release.
May 4th, 2010 at 2:42 am
Dear All
Money which comes to us is always welcome. You all know Defence Force Service has no respect in our country. Who will listen to you instantly. The struggle must continue of OROP. If not us the future pensioners will benefit, let them be OR’s, JCO’s or Officers. Please understand that hardly any one of our politician has actually servedin military. Our Defence Minister are dhoti party who actually have no vision or understanding of military operations or requirements. They are dumb and follow what bureacrats tell them. How they will understand our way of life. Tell me one neta who comes out in the street and sits through out on the road to protest against government for us. In J&K, Assam, Manipur- each day our uniform men are dying, okay few claps, cheers and award for few and that is it. This is our country where actors and cricket players are better respected than a military jawan or officer. This because we all in uniform gave our youth, honesty, duty to the nation. Had we not joined, I am sure these Neta, Actors, Cricketers, businessmen would not be enjoying the terms of life they are enjoying today. This has been a routine in Indian society. NO UNITY-DIVIDE AND RULE. This is being followed siince ages in India. Think about it - India is Bharat or Hindustaan? Where did this India came from? Name has changed on it’s own. Had we’ve been united, Moghuls would not have entered India neither English. We were the leader of this world, had everything till 1720. We were world leader and today we are in shambles, and more so our corrupt netas, lawmakers are further degrading us. There convoy drives through the bumpy road, disfigured path but they never take any heed. I hope they have eyes and brain to see but they see the money which will follow on order of road building project, which happens in paperwork, hardly in reality. They are sending staggering amount to Swiss Banks and feeding the Swiss with interest of our common Bhariya money, Swiss per capita income is about USD 55000. Our neta so crippled that they talk big but can;t get this public money back to India. No one will be poor if this money comes back. Who will do that? I think Baba Ramdev has a point- Swabhimaan Bhaarat. 3 months fast track court and hang the corrupt person till death. So folks…it is time to think about yourself while support the OROP movement, but please do no rely on it and find, create or do something to benefit your life and your family.
I must tell you that I retired after 15 years of meritorious service in the Nausena. In service I completed BA, 2 years before retirement. I started hunting for job opportunities, result-the very next day I retired, I was working in Dubai as diver. I hunted for better options and I became Security Officer in cruise lines. Here I completed M.Sc and at age 49years, I am pursuing Ph.d. and presently working in Carnival Cruise Lines as a Senior Officer drawing a salary of over 5 lacs per month. The message I want to send to all my colleagues and Jawans that education matters and effort with result mattters. Support the OROP movement BUT do not rely and wait for it. Help yourself, look for opportunity or develop your own work space. Therefore, it does not matter one was officer in Defence, yes that is good, but PBOR’s can be officer after retirement and shape the future. The time has to be right of making decision. So all of you, as your age has surpassed the hiring age. I can help your children to get into Cruise Lines. They should be graduate, Good English (speaking, reading, writing and understanding)-I can guide them to join as Security Officers. As Cruise lines is a hospitality industry, direct managment level is hard to crack. The easiest way is to get in as Security Officer/Guard and than rise from there once they are in. Salary of Security Officer/Guard is between USD 1300 to USD 1000. Food & Accommodation free. 6 months renewable, performance based contract, two way air ticket free. See the world. I want to say that let us create job or guide our colleague jawans sons and daughters to the job which can change their future. What is respect of military men, I learnt that in USA. With my Ex- Servicemen Identity Card, I am greatly respected here in USA when ever my identity is asked, I produce Passport and Ex-Servicemen ID- its a great feeling when American authorities pay respect for the military service done. I wish in India it would happen. So cheers to all, be positive, optimistic as life goes on, bring change to your life by thinking beyond OROP, once approved you will get it. Do not loose the life which is in your hand, today exchange your life for a better tomorrow. With Total Respect to all my Jawan brothers.. Thapa Ajay
May 4th, 2010 at 2:45 am
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May 4th, 2010 at 9:11 am
Dear brothers,
The story of Mr Ajay Thapa about his struggle and hard work resulting into Grand Success must be a guide line for all. Please contact him and march your way to success. While in service improve your qualification.
May 4th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
Thank you Major Saini, appreciate your comments. I read the comments on this hot topic from our honorable PM. Here it is:
PM clarifies on one-rank-one-pension for ex-servicemen
March 5th, 2010 - 4:07 pm ICT by IANS -
New Delhi, March 5 (IANS) Prime Minister Manmohan Singh Friday said a committee under the cabinet secretary has not recommended one-rank-one-pension scheme for retired defence personnel.
“The factual position is that we have constituted a committee under the cabinet secretary to look in into issue of one-man-one-pension and other related matters. The committee did not recommend one-man-one-rank-pension,” Manmohan Singh said in the Lok Sabha.
The prime minister’s remarks came after Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader L.K. Advani accused him of breaching parliamentary propriety by making “false” claims over the scheme.
“But whatever recommendations the committee made to substantiate and enhance the pensionary benefits of persons below officer rank and commissioned officers were accepted by the government. This is what I have stated in my Independence Day speech,” Manmohan Singh added.
The prime minister said of the seven recommendations the committee made, five have been implemented while the other two will be done soon.
“Advani informed BJP MPs about PM’s claim in Lok Sabha that the government had implemented its decision on enhancement of pension to JCOs (junior commissioned officers) and jawans (soldiers). No JCO or jawan has received any such order. This is a very serious matter of parliamentary impropriety,” BJP leader M. Venkaiah Naidu said Thursday quoting Advani.
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VERY SAD TO NOTE THAT OUR HONORABLE PM - mentioned “One Man One Pension” instead of OROP. IF he does not know what he is talking about how come we rely on what PM wishes to do.
Major Saini, I am looking forward to help the grown up children of officers, JCO’s and Jawan to join in Cruise Lines. So far I have placed over 60 Boys and 04 girls in Cruise lines, NO FEE, all Free as this is one service I can offer to all men in uniform- my brothers. Espescially Mr. KK CPO WTR my Navy Collegue who seems to be very upset with the system - Let Me help his kid. WE all officers and men know and understand how defence system work, more over we have surpassed that time, s why be upset. Now let us come together to forget the past and smile which takes only 16 muscles as against 32 muscles to frown. We can together make things turn around. I want to share my little so called success with all of you. I cannot guarantee success of all as it depends on candidates performance, what I will do is to provide them each and every guidelines which has brought success to me and to those 64 candidates who are already working herein US and Europe and are children of retired Military Person. I am from Dehra Dun and I know most of you have been there once.
Looking forward to learn from you all and try to shape future of your children. Cheers…Ajay Thapa in Atlantic Ocean
May 5th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Hello Brothers,
My assistance is also offered to Army and Airforce and is not limited to Navy only. There are several opportunities in marine field for you. e.g. Anti-Piracy. In case you are confident, physically fit to fight the Somali pirate the guidance to AntiPiracy job awaits you. Your contract will be of 11 months, salary will be about $3000 p.m. Other facilities are all given by the company at no burden or cost on you beside insurance at small cost and it does make sense as well.
Keep the OROP pressure and Hope.
Let me know.
Best Wishes to All
Thapa Ajay at Port Canaveral-Space City - Florida today.
May 8th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Dear Thapa sir,
I am exsm from corpsx of signals after serving 24 yrs. My third son is at Sharja as AC Supr. Is there any hope in your catch, if so pls let us know.
with regards
K Gopalakrishnan
janusuku@gmail.com
May 11th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
i was dicharged from iaf after 9 years giving disability 30% 1st year and 20% 2nd year and then reduced to below 20% and stopped disability pension.now i am getting only service pension. can i get any benfit by orop. thank you sir
May 12th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Dar Reddy,
pse send ur email address. I will send you pension circulars. It may help
majrajinder@gmail.com
May 12th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
I discharged from army with 30 percent disability pension after completion of 6 years of service. What will be my latest dp? Is dp exempted from income tax?
May 13th, 2010 at 12:41 am
I am a retired Subedar from the army after 28 years of service Group B in 1991. At present my basic is 9324. I want to know the revised pension scheme as per ‘one rank one pay’ scheme.
May 13th, 2010 at 5:49 am
Dear Saini sir,
As per hARYANA AND punjab high court verdict, the asnomalies would have removed from the date when it was occured, i,e, 1st oct 97. as per coas recommendation, this has not been effected. simply they upgrade the pension then increase it as per COM , even not effect from 01 jan 2006 but from 1st jul 2009. I would like to know , that this is not a breach of court order.
with regards
K Gopalakrishnan
May 13th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
Dear Gopalakrishnan,
yes it is contempt of court.
I request all friends to log on “reportmysignals blog”
May 18th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
all of the above thoughts are absoulutely right .We should take necessery steps inorder to get our right . i dont know what the govt. thinking about us . besides sitting in A/c rooms and travelling in a/c cars they dont know about our hard work . if this situation will go longer then there will be no soldiers to protect our nation . this is because of our current govt.
May 20th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Dear Sir,
First of all I would like to say sorry to SREE KUMAR KK EX CPO WTR through you,because I am not able to understand weather the question is raising that are you an Officer or JCO/OR we all are EXSM and we are conflicting for our rights and we must be together and congenial,any how he may having some bitter experience while on service with Officers which I too,Sir please sent Pension Circular. My mail id is sunithasrikumar56@yahoo.com.
With Regards,
Sri Kumar.N.
May 21st, 2010 at 1:18 am
I see comment by CPO write Sree kumar KK.writer branch in the navy eats all the money and does not do any job.u ask anybody.why blame officers??do they pay you???I had truble in pension becuse one in no writer .A WRITER IS A WRITER AND NOT FIGHTER.so please shup up and keep quiet.You do nothing in navy and when outside you cry like mad man.I am engineering branch MCHME.I have worked hard and am doing good job outside.I was picked by Cdr sudheesh mishra saab for first job.stupid sreekumar writer…
May 21st, 2010 at 1:33 pm
I saw comments by Thapa ji and Sree Kumar WTR.One positive other man very very negative type.I retired as MCHELP from electrical side and am very happy with navy officers and my collegues.My brother is Officer and am proud of him.Let’s all be together andfight for our rights
May 21st, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Good Day to All,
Dear All, we speak about support and on other hand we tend to remove the support by the comments we are posing for Mr. Sri Kumar WTR. There are many minds right there around us at our home and elsewhere but the difference is that for many the same world is hell and for other heaven. I have personally written to Mr. Sri Kumar requesting him to be with positive thinking which may be, won’t let him do anything, but it will let him do everything better than negative thinking will. May be, life for Mr. Sri was not easy in whichever way and had bitter experiences in the Navy. Such experiences are not new to all the organizations of the world. It is seen everywhere. It is a package which no one can avoid. Let us support Mr. Sri Kumar and drive Mr. Sri Kumar to think good. Instead of providing healthy criticism, please come forward to wrap your arms around him and pull him to the way of one time life which is so big and beautiful. Support him, please. Wherever you are working these days, if there is any opening, advise Mr. Kumar so that he feels that he is not left alone. I look at Mr. Sri Kumar as person who can and will have a good opinion with our support and suggestions. I have offered him guidance to join as Security Officer or Fire Fighter on board Cruise ship to which Mr. Sri Kumar has given his concurrence. Once he is absorbed in the job, he will surely have a different opinion about his life and he will have no time for the negative thoughts. In case any of you could help Mr. Sri Kumar, I am sure he will appreciate that. No government can love a child, and no policy can substitute for your family’s care. But at the same time, government can either support or undermine families as they cope with moral, social and economic stresses of caring for children and people themselves. I work with wonderful people who support me. And, my beliefs are that on this blog we need to work on ideas, make sense to the One Rank One Pension” motives for sanction. We need to make our Government understand in some way that policies that support One Rank One Pension aren’t political issues. They’re personal. This is one of the causes we have to think and act about every single day. All those who are fighting on ground for this noble cause are doing their bit. Here! please suggest and enlighten us all by exchanging ideas of what else we can do to get “One Rank One Pension” sanctioned. Mr. Sri Kumar if you have come to the end of the rope, tie a knot and hang on there. A good support that will change your life will surely come to you. The world is round the issue which seems to be the end for you could also be the beginning of new chapter. Your pain is inevitable but suffering is not, therefore a bend in the road is not the end of the road, please do not fail to take the turn. Think of your broader shoulder and you must embrace the pain and burn as a fuel for your journey and I am sure that’s the way all have found the beautiful SUCCESS. Thank you all for your support to Mr. Sri Kumar.
May 22nd, 2010 at 6:57 pm
My dear Shreekumar,
Cheer up and join the crowd. You are one of us.
May 23rd, 2010 at 11:08 am
I am JWO.JAYARAMAN.R .I am coming on this site after a gap of about 50 days.I fully agree with Ajay thapa and Maj.saini regarding Sri.Dear sri forget about the past and though it may me difficultr.Let us forget for the sake of our kith and kin.start a new life and enjoy the life with your family and the well wishers like us.
May 24th, 2010 at 8:58 am
I WAS SERGEANT for 15 years am I goin g to get benefited or not i dont know but govt. is making us fool. we were fool, will stay as a fool, we will die as a fool. pehla goli boarder mei hum log khate hain . PM,DM,FM etc gets laurel.
May 24th, 2010 at 11:13 am
Mr. KK Singh,
If You want to curse somebody for your disliking you should curse only the individual. You can not curse enitre community. You have simply mentioned writers are eating money. Before writing such a remark you should have thought that we are the persons handling the Public money and there were occasions, the LOGO and CHWTR faced Court Martial for loss of 5 paise. Better mind your words. Some sort of internal hurt might have upset Sreekumar. I agree Mr. Sreekumar should not have used such words. After writing such a comment using unparliamentary words against one branch, what is the difference between you and him. I think you belong to butter applying category so only you are getting tensed for his critisation against officers. Cdr Mishra gave you job opportunity, so you want to show yourself loyal. If not, what would you have been? Hope you will not use such a comment.
May 24th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Dear brothers,
please do not involve in personal remarks. We have to show unity. There are godd and bad elements in all brancheseven in religious institutes. Praise the good and neglect the bad.
Dear Mazumdar, we are not fools. We are at the recievving end. They feel that we are fools but they are living in fool’s paradise. You must know that Army Tribunal Chandigarh has ordered Central Govt to give OROP to all Officers and PBORs. The Central Govt has yet to go to Supreme Court and we hope to win again. We have done lot of sacrifices and Govt has to give us our dues. Just wait and watch.
May 24th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
DEAR SGT.MAJUMDAR.MANY BANKS STARTED TO PAY THE ARREARS.THE PROBLEM IS NOTHING BUT THE SHORTAGE OF THE STAFFS.THE BANKS ARE OVER CROWDED AFTER THE SELF HELP GROUPS AND MGNRES.EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE TAKEN UP THE FILES FOR PAYING ARREARS.LOT OF BANKS HAVE NOT EVEN GOT THE CIRCULAR.BUT I AM SURE THE ARREARS WILL BE PAID BY JUNE 2010,BEWT OF LUCK.
May 28th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
pLease send a copy of the circular of one rank - one pay on my e-mail address.
May 30th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
this is good for pensioner
May 30th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
please sent me a copy of the circular of the one rank-one pay to my e-mail address
May 31st, 2010 at 7:40 pm
plz send the total penson for a ex jco in according to sasme rank same pension
June 2nd, 2010 at 6:56 pm
I am an Ex Sgt of IAF dod is30.11.2002.Joined in State Bank of Travancore on 27.08.2008.Request pay fixation office memorandum FROM UNION MIN OF FINANCE for enabling parity with post 2006 retirees.Already representation made to DGR
June 7th, 2010 at 11:00 am
sir silf naval pensioner drawing monthly pesion Rs 5770/ inclusive of all allowances. drawing from bank at bangalore
what will be revised onerank onepension and when arrears will be paid to me.
it appears govt santioned FMA at 200 extra, total RS 300/ PER MONTH. WHEN IT WILL BE PAID. PL CLARIFY BY EMAIL, naidusin@yahoo.com please
June 9th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
Dear Mr Ajay Thapa
I like and appreciate the ideas and views you have disseminated on this blog.I also take this opportunity to extend my heartiest congratulations and good wishes on your grand success after leaving Indian Navy.I too have gone through various hurdles before reaching my present stage.Now I am working as ageneral manager in a private company based at Delhi.Ileft IAF
in Feb 1992 as a Sgt of 1st group,radar fitter trade.While in service Icompleted my graduation with honours in pol. sc.,in june 1981.Lat
June 9th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Later on I passed degree in electronics and telecommunication engineering,somewhere in june 1986.I was recommended for commisioning in technical branch of IAF in nov.1986,by no.1 SSB Dehradune.But the most intelligent doctors at AFCME NEW DELHI and Army Hospital Delhi Cantt,intentionally made me unfit for commisioning in tech. branch of IAF .They have ruined the career of many deserving pbors .Anyhow I COMPLETED my eate15 years and left IAF.
I would like to advise my ex-servicemen brothers,especially those who left at young age ,not to waste time on orop issues and instead of that concentrate on your present career. There is no dearth of opportunities outside the defence milieu.ONE must have positive attitude,perseverance and will power.Please don’t waste time on recllection of our past history.Let us move ahead and come out of this close room and sit at the roof top where we can see the clear sky and fix our goals .You can’t depend upon your meagre pension to survive in this competitive world.
Rest I will discuss in my next mail
Regards
PARBODH SAINI
June 14th, 2010 at 9:38 am
naval pentioner when the arrears onerank pention will be paid self drwaing pention from nationlized bank from bangalore
please clarify
s.k.murthy
June 18th, 2010 at 10:33 am
i want to know the amount of one rank one pension for my time scale naik,so please send me the correct website address for me to know the amount.
June 18th, 2010 at 10:37 am
my mail id is esk1512@yahoo.com
June 18th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
when is the deadline of one rank one pension because we are from west bengal but we still dont know when we will get the actual fruit.we are living on rumours only..
June 19th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Mr. Prabodh Saini. I appreciate and agree with your views.
“I would like to advise my ex-servicemen brothers,especially those who left at young age ,not to waste time on orop issues and instead of that concentrate on your present career. There is no dearth of opportunities outside the defence milieu.ONE must have positive attitude,perseverance and will power.Please don’t waste time on recllection of our past history.Let us move ahead and come out of this close room and sit at the roof top where we can see the clear sky and fix our goals .You can’t depend upon your meagre pension to survive in this competitive world.”
June 19th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
BTW, just imagine my state of mind. I got discharged on compassionate ground in 2004, just a matriculate, no mentionable technical qualification for any job, without any receipt of pensionary benefits for almost one and half year. Still I survived and quite remarkably, now in a very envious position.
July 4th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Dear cpl sanjay sable.well done. Keep it up The need of the hour is nothing but courage and self confidence.Your words are a quite a good encouraging to the desperated e s m .
July 14th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
iam retired as hony/lt while in service and after retirement i got hony/capt.Pay and alowances applicable to me as hony /lt. i am in dilemma that i am an officer or pbor, some times they are treating as an officer and some times pbor. there should be some rigid decession so that we can avail the facility. are we eligible for one rank one pay or not?
July 27th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
AFT chandigargh ordered to pay OROP to all officers and men vide their order of march 2010. What is the present position of decision. 4 months passed, The cabinet secretary got extension and extension. he could manage everything at the cost of other IAS officers who were about to be promted, once the present CS is gone on pension. Those IAS offiers and exservicemen may be cusrsing him for this inexplicable sin which may be passed on to generations together.Any how the exservicemen organisations may advise us what is the present position of the OROP.What a sinnful birth this CS got. God will not forgive him.I have seen many poor old persons, widows and chidren helplessly cursing him for his noncooperation towards the ESM.He is sinkinng himself and the UPA.Now the poitical leadership shoud avoid this gentleman
July 27th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
I just read the last recommendations made by the CS and his team denying the OROP. He very cleverly argued not to grant OROP and that was not a case of judicious arguements/recommendations. The serving personnel are aso very unhappy on the decision of the govt not to agree to the OROP. The CS took clever steps to devide the officers and men by granting some relief to PBORS. NO, the defence force is one rpt ONE no, difference of opinion between officers and men. I am from PBOR, I spoke to many people, everybody agrees to this point.Sir, organise ourselves as one team to have our purpose of life achieved.
July 30th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
sir, I have retired from AMC after my SSC, I had been posted in jammu during kargil war, i am not getting any pension ,now i have joined civil service in tamilnadu can anyone let me know about the benefits of fixation of pay i should get on joining civil service. thank you
August 9th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
I have seen following msg from Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
Vice Chairman Indian ESM Movement
Mobile: 9312404269, 0124-4110570
Email : satbirsm@yahoo.com Sunday, August 8, 2010
DEPOSITING OF MEDALS AND SUBMISSION OF MEMORANDUM SIGNED IN BLOOD BY THE ESM TO THE SUPREME COMMANDER ON 22 AUG 2010
DEPOSITING OF MEDALS AND SUBMISSION OF MEMORANDUM SIGNED IN BLOOD BY THE ESM TO THE SUPREME COMMANDER ON 22 AUG 2010 FROM
11 AM TO 3 PM AT JANTAR MANTAR NEW DELHI
Dear Friends,
1. The gross injustice, apathy negative attitude and indifference of the Govt and the bureaucracy have crossed all levels of tolerance and acceptance. There are two options, one, to accept the status quo, live the life as it unfolds and melt away. The second option is to get up and fight for Justice. As a soldier, the have learnt to follow the second option.
2. I wish to quote a few instances of Govt apathy and injustices:-
(a) All Party parliamentary Committee is supposed to be one of the most powerful committee. This committee headed by a congress MP Shri Satpal Ji Maharaj while tabling its report in the Parliament on 07 May 2010 had recommended the grant of OROP to the Defence Personnel. Three months have passed, the Govt has not taken the decision on this recommendation. Why the Govt has kept this committee report under the carpet is not understood? This was the chance before the Govt to undo the damage already inflicted on Defence Forces.
(b) The Govt has not implemented any of the judgements recently passed favouring the Defence Personnel:-
(i) SC judgement in Rank Pay case. Instead of accepting its fault and implementing the judgement, it has appealed to the SC to recall its orders.
(ii) In the case of pre 96 Maj Gens (Maj Gen Vains Vs Union of India), the Govt continues to ignore the implementation of judgement fully. Instead of giving the same pensions to similarly placed pre 96 Maj Gen as per Para 31 of the SC judgement, it has fixed arbitrarily the pension of pre 96 Maj Gen by increasing it by Rs 500 pm ie Rs 10000/-instead of Rs 11450 being given to similarly placed post 96 Maj Gens.
(iii) In the case of Pre 2006 Maj Gen, the Govt has not implemented the judgement of AFT Chandigarh dated 03 Mar 2010 where in the Govt was to implement the judgement within 3 months. The execution proceedings have been filed by the Maj Gens and the hearing is on the 10 Aug 2010.
(iv) In the case of Babu Ram Dhiman and Sohan Singh Vs Union of India, AFT Chandigarh judgement on OROP dated 08 Mar 2010 which was to be implemented within 4 months, has not been implemented.
(c) The widows of JCOs and Jawans who need the maximum assistance, care and compassion have been left out from the recent enhancement in pension of JCOs and Jawans. Here, also instead of giving the enhancement with effect from 01 Jan 2006, it has been sanctioned with effect from 01 Jul 2009.
(d) The 6th Pay Commission had granted three Assured Career Progressions (ACP). Strangely the ACP has not been applied notionally while fixing the pensions of Pre 01 Jan 2006 retirees. Even for Post 01 Jan 2006 retiree defence personnel, only two ACPs have been granted. Why the third has not been granted to a Sepoy who has been compulsorily retired from service after 17 years of service?
(e) There is a large gap of Rs 11600 in pension of pre 2006 retiree Maj and Lt Col while the gap in their pay in the 5th Pay Commission was only Rs 1000/-. Similarly the pension gap between pre 2006 retiree Maj Gen and Lt Gen is Rs 9800/- while the difference in their pay prior to 2006 was only Rs 1200. Why this grave injustice?
(f) The President has not granted the audience to the delegation of IESM depositing medals with the President.
3. The Govt indifferent attitude has irked the veterans severely who have decided to intensify the stir. The next event for deposit of medals and submission of Blood Signed Memorandum to the Supreme Commander will be held on 22 Aug 2010 at Jantar Mantar New Delhi from 11 AM to 2 PM. IESM delegation will leave for Rashtrapati Bhawan at 2.15 PM to deposit the medals and memorandum at 3 PM to the President. Chairman IESM Gen Raj Kadyan has written to the President quote “It is earnestly hoped that the Supreme Commander would relent and receive the delegation in person. However, should that unfortunately not happen, as already intimated vide ibid letter dated 08 June 2010, the delegation would return without depositing the medals and the memorandum” unquote
4. All conveners are requested to put in their best effort to motivate the ESM across the country to deposit their medals and sign /thumb impression the memorandum in Blood voluntarily for the above event. We hope that in the country specially the Northern States where large number of ESM reside are able to reach the target of 5000 Blood Signatures and medals each district. These can either be sent to IESM HQ at 543 Sector 23 Gurgaon (Hr).- 122017 or brought to Jantar mantar on 22 Aug 2010 by 11 AM. Conveners are requested to get maximum ESM at Jantar Mantar. Part payment of transport charges will be made from the IESM funds, Tea, water and lunch packets are being arranged for the ESM attending the event.
5. Logistic Instructions for the event will be issued by the General Secretary separately.
6. We are also, putting efforts to get support from all segments of society including all political parties, MPs, MLAs, CMs.
7. Please circulate this mail to maximum ESM across the country.
“To struggle for the Just Cause is the right of every person. Let us together
join in the efforts to get Justice to the Defence Forces”.
With Regards,
Jai Hind
Yours Sincerely,
Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
Vice Chairman Indian ESM Movement
Mobile: 9312404269, 0124-4110570
Email : satbirsm@yahoo.com
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August 9th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
I have seen following msg from Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
Vice Chairman Indian ESM Movement
Mobile: 9312404269, 0124-4110570
Email : satbirsm@yahoo.com Sunday, August 8, 2010
DEPOSITING OF MEDALS AND SUBMISSION OF MEMORANDUM SIGNED IN BLOOD BY THE ESM TO THE SUPREME COMMANDER ON 22 AUG 2010
DEPOSITING OF MEDALS AND SUBMISSION OF MEMORANDUM SIGNED IN BLOOD BY THE ESM TO THE SUPREME COMMANDER ON 22 AUG 2010 FROM
11 AM TO 3 PM AT JANTAR MANTAR NEW DELHI
For full taxt of the message pease get in touch with him
Thanks
August 10th, 2010 at 12:25 am
What a shame? The urgency these MPs shown raising their salary at par with CS.Will they show 0.1% interest regarding orop to us. Let the better sense prevail.
August 18th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
dear friends,follow up for all those who have joined as boy entry at the tender age and serving the defense from 1972 to 1984 march and not eligible for ECHS scheme.is this a justice the short service personal is eligible WHY NOT THESE POOR EX SERVICE MEN ARE LEFT OUT SOME BODY DO SOME THING TO HELP THEM FOR THE ECHS SCHEME
September 2nd, 2010 at 11:55 am
Dear sir,
i am retired from indian army as hony lieutanent in active service and after retirement i got hony capt after completion of 31 years of service as a subedar major.Now the policy of the indian army that subedar who had completed 28 years of service also got the same hony lieutanant rank.In the rank subedar major one has to serve 4 years complusary, that to subedar major rank also awarded after tuff comptetion, now subedar and subedar major awarded same hony lt rank after retire ment, i mean to say that there should be some different between subedar and subedar major in the rank structure. Subedar major is highest rank in pbor and after retirement both ranks are awarded with same hony rank.My request is award the hony ranks to both of them like subedar as hony lt and subedar major as hony capt with pay and allowances after retirement.Some cases i found that subedar retired on 26th jan got hony lt rank and served up to 15 august will get hony capt in active service and became more financial benificer than subedar major. pl rectify this type of irregularties and treat them in different hony ranks after retirement . when one is getting same facilities by serving less, is it necessasary to serve four years more?
September 14th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Dear Sirs/all,
I am an Ex-Sgt (Gp-I) discharged on 31st Jan 1987 after serving 15 years, and joined Indian Oil corporation Ltd (Pipeline Division). I took VRS from IOCL from my designation of Senior Engineer. Now I have registered a Pvt Ltd company for providing security services.
I want to know:
(1)how much will I be benefited from the OROP plan of the Govt’s approval.
(2) whether my company (ROYAL SHIELD PROTECTION PVT LTD) could be registered under DGR? If yes, how? where should I approach?
kindly advise, if any one could.
Thanks & Regards,
Ratan Singh
September 14th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
DEAR FRIENDS EX-SERVICEMEN FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT CAUSE WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO FIGHT OUR BENEFITS ALL CIVILIAN ,IAS,POLITICIAN AND HIS OR HER EARTH IS ALSO WELL BENEFITED THE MINISTERS WHO GOT 300% HIKE IN PAY PLUS BRIBE PLUS EXTERNAL FUNDS FREE TRIPS PARTY FUND ETC .BUT WE FRIENDS JOIN TOGETHER BRAKE ALL BARRIERS AND FIGHT FOR THE PRIVILEGE AND RIGHT WHICH WE ALL DESERVE.SO WE CAN DO IT IF WE ALL BE UNITED NO CAST NO CREED NO OFFICER NO MEN WE ARE HUMAN BEING .ONE THING I TELL YOU THE IF WE DIE AND WE ARE CREMATED WE GET ONLY ONE BAG OF ASHES THE NEXT DAY SOME OTHER DEAD BODY TAKES OUR PLACE IF WE ARE BURIED THE WORMS ARE HAPPY THEY GET FOOD FOR SOME TIME SO DEAR FRIENDS GO AHEAD DO SOME THING FOR ALL AND IT WILL BE REMEMBERED BY OUR PRECEDERS AS THAT ONLY WE CAN DO. THANKS,
September 16th, 2010 at 10:11 am
Dear Friend (Ravindranath ji),
I strongly agree with your views, definitely we have to be united and get our right through striving. No doubt, history is evident, we can get nothing without unity. The corrupt political leaders, sitting in parliament, are passing their pay bills unanimously irrespective of their party disputes on all other legal/illegal matters whatsoever they may be. But they keep mum on the very legal demands of the patriot soldiers and saviors of the country. In fact they are getting richer and richer by pleading against the fighting forces.
Come friends and fight another war against not the external enemy but the within our own corrupt system.
–
Regards,
RATAN SINGH
Managing Director
Royal Shield Protection Pvt Ltd
Dedicated to serve !!
September 16th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Dear Sirs/all,
I am still waiting for the reply to my previous queries as appended below:
I want to know:
(1)how much will I be benefited from the OROP plan of the Govt’s approval.
(2) whether my company (ROYAL SHIELD PROTECTION PVT LTD) could be registered under DGR? If yes, how? where should I approach?
Regards,
RATAN SINGH
Managing Director
Royal Shield Protection Pvt Ltd
Dedicated to serve !!
September 16th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Now , if still not the govt moving favouraby, the generals of the serving forces will come in the rescue for themselves and the retired. This is what generally seen in all the countries. The defence forces is so demoralised in India because the political leadership is listening the IAS obby only, they may go to any extend.
September 18th, 2010 at 8:25 am
dear Ratan singh
we are putting the points is some one reading and R they trying to do something there is NO feed back,
September 19th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
This election Vote for Swabhimaan Bharat - Dear Brothers - Confucius stated “The superior man is easy to serve, but difficult to please … The inferior man is difficult to serve, but easy to please”. Govt. seems to give some money for candies and try to please Ex-servicemen. For themselves they wanted Rs.80,000 pm. I wonder how one first time MLA or MP, IAS,IPS becomes millionaire in no time and there is no audit or check how this happened. Govt. must change,neither BJP or Congress have actually delivered. So this time let us go with Swabhimaan Bharat” At least one attempt might make some sense. At least in long time there is a different thoughts on table. Once this happens I am sure OROP will be solved. Military will have its true value. Presently we must keep pushing with all our might..Aj
September 19th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
I have four votes. These will go to Swabhimaan Bharat. Please let us ask our brothers, civilians and ex servicemen to do the same. We urge all to fight for Independent India. Yes we want independence from corrupt people.
Jai Hind
September 19th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
I fully agree with Mr. Ajay
Jai Swabhiman Bharat
JAI HIND
September 23rd, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Dear Major Saini,
I have gone trough all the comments and shocked to learn that we are fighting ourselves. I think you are doing some novel work for ex servicemen. I I have worked in Indian Navy for 10 years from 1976 to 1986 as a sailor. I didn’t like the atmosphere and the naval culture so I left the service. I would like to raise one point. If one MP is getting pension, medical benefits etc after only 5 years of service then why not other government servants? Can’t we fight for the same? Do you know India is the only country where MP’s are fixing up their own salaries? I think this is the proper definition of democracy. In the conclusion I would like to say I LOVE INDIA and if required they can call me to fight again.
Regards,
B Banerjee
September 25th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Dear B Banerjee,
I appreciate your Good feelings and LOVE for our mother land as you are still willing to serve the country again even though you did not like the atmosphere of Indian Navy.
Yes rightly you gave the definition of Democracy. THIS is the democracy where the kings can fix their salary as the way they like. Pension after 5 years service is another joke about the services rendered by Govt. servants and leaders.
Hats off.
Regards,
Ratan Singh
Managing Director
Royal Shield Protection Pvt Ltd
Dedicated to serve !!
September 25th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Dear Mr. Banerjee,
Thank u very much. It is a pity that govt is sitting with deaf ears and we cant do any thing.
Pay and pension is no problem with MPs. They can fix it themselves. “ANDHA BANTE REVADI, APNO KO HI DEY”
September 25th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Dear Major Saini and Mr. Singh,
Thank you for your comments.
Sometimes I wonder in which country I am living. Again after seeing the news of CWG our great leaders have shown this world that we are the most corrupted country.
Please keep in touch and if any service required please let me know.
Regards,
B Banerjee
Regards,
October 18th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Dear All,
I am a Ex-Serviceman from Navy retired as JCO .With out military , There is no security at all in the world especially in India.All terrorist groups are around the corners of India and both Nation Pakistan and China are looking to attack India by means of any wings.The person who served the nation will know only how much struggle in his life he got and How he managed himself to grow in the world with his family.Almost all employees in the civil and and political know how to make money during his service .either doing his own business illegally or taking bribes from others. But in military only his salary give him to enjoy his family and some mere benefits.Suppose he die in the younger age ,everything is lost .During his tenure in his military life ,how much he has to work hard with disciplined manner.he does not allow to have any freedom in his life. I became as civilian now .I enjoy the freedom now but i have proud to be served for the nation also.Kindly do not abuse either serviceman or ex serviceman and encourage them to keep our nation strong and be proud of an Indian .Think all are protected by them and salute them for their brave duties and responsibilities like in the olden days Raja and their troops are known as their GOD.Even you are protecting your properties by making fence for your self .Some one break ,How much you feel. I salute All Ex and Serving national in military for their braves and responsibilities .
Jai Jawan Jai Hind.
Regards
October 20th, 2010 at 12:32 am
MY DEAR FRIEND Mr RAMANADAN
YOU ARE SOME 15 YEARS BEHIND THE THOUGHTS WHY BECAUSE THE NAVY HAS CHANGED A LOT EVERY PERSON NEEDS CUT.EVEN FROM A ORDINARY RATING TO THE BRASS HEAD NEEDS BRIBE ESPECIALLY NAVAL DOCKYARDS TO SHIPS ,ALL FROM THE GATE ONWARDS TAKE BRIBE THEY LOOSE THE SECURITY ASPECTS ,ALMOST ALL CIVILIANS KNOWS THE SECRETS OF DEFENSE ACTIVITIES AND PROCUREMENT.TO NAME THERE ARE MANY MANY CORRUPT OFFICERS AND MEN STILL SERVING AND ACCEPTING BRIBES IN SMALL AND LARGE SCALE THIS CORRUPTION BRINGS DOWN THE NATION YOU ARE RIGHT THAT THE NATION SHOULD BE MADE PROUD BUT HOW YOU OR ME ALONE CANT DO ANY THING WE ALL SHOULD CHANGE OUR ATTITUDE .P.R.NATH- EX NAVY
October 23rd, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Dear brothers
Again the supreme court slam the government askdefence secretary to visit high altitute area and stay for atleast10 days so that he could aware how the soldiers are saving the courty in such a terrain.Again supre court ask the govt to come out the proposal y novemer 8 to form a triunal who will look after the anomalies of pay and pension of defence forces. So there is some one to look after us
with kind regards
K Gopalakrishnan
November 5th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Good Day to All,
Law believes only in evidence and written facts. Human can provide them all -True or False-
Here the question is? Does anybody care ?? Supreme Court does not seem to understand perhaps that the reprort will be given to him by DS an IAS who has zero understanding of Defense Forces capabilities and operation. In 10 days what he will understand is what one or two offiers will tell him. This is absurd. No grudge agaist officers but freedom of speech should be availed. All rank meeting should be conducted and checked with those people who are doing the actual duties for long time. DS should dwell with them for 3 months and follow all duty schedule. No one wants to take the pain. Who are the netas who have never served in defense forces and they decide our fate. The defense team should involve all defense persons representative at all level with accountability and their recommendation should be honored. Why our top brass reccommend junk ship Gorshkov as Aircraft Carrier, Old Ship from US and other countries, we have man power, expertise and shipyard, spend the same amount here and make indegenous model ships. aircraft and weapons. I heard that most of the amount from defense budget ovelaps or is returned to government. I do not know if that is true. If it is than it is shame that top brass want to show the saving in budget by crushing the better war equipment options and pushing All ranks in cliff wiht no heart or mind to mourn for. It is misery of our nation. First Moghuls ruled and massacred us because we were not united-CAST SYSTEM or REGION etc. Than British. What more to say NOW by our own people. We can continue writing for ages no bell rings up there. We should think how this can be changed or how such change can be brought to the sytem. At least our future generation will uphold thier heads and not malign or involve in worsening the present situation. When a child is born - child does not know what is cast-what is religion-what is corruption-what is terrorism - hatred. It understand the language of Love. When this child grows up than Where this MARVEL thought dissappear? Let us clean ourselves from home and usher all to do so, do what we can to convince them, may be we will see a better India in next decade. A thought….
November 6th, 2010 at 8:57 am
DEAR AJAY THAPA,
YOU ARE RIGHT BUT YOU OR ME ALONE CANNOT DO ANY THING THIS CANCER OF CORRUPTION HAS GONE FROM THE ROOT LEVEL WE OR IF SOME ONE CAN ERADICATE THE ROOT OF CORRUPTION THAN SURE AS YOU SAY USELESS BURDEN OF GORSHKOV AND MANY MORE SHIPS AND SUBMARINES CAN SAVE THE LIFE OF WORKING HANDS AND THE MONEY SPENT CAN ALSO REDUCED DEFENSE ADMINISTRATION WHICH OFF LOADS WORK TO CONTRACTORS ARE NOT AS PER CVC TOTAL CHEATING IN THE DEFENSE .THAT LITTLE MONEY IS ENOUGH TO CATER THE NEEDS OF EX SERVICE MEN WHAT IS THE BENEFIT NOTHING THE POLITICIAN ONE DAY ELECTED ARE ELIGIBLE FOR FREE TICKET PACK ALL THE MLAS,MPS,MAYORS,CMS,BRASS HEADS DEFENSE SECTORAL ADVISORS TO THE
LINE OF CONTROL BOARDER IN WINTER LEAVE THEM OVER NIGHT TO KNOW WHAT IS LIFE ,THESE PEOPLE ARE SLEEPING COMFORTABLE AT HOME WITH THEIR SPOUSE???ETC HAPPILY.SO NDEAR FRIEND THIS IS LIFE WE MAY GOT TO LIVE WITH IT LIKE FOX AND THE GRAPES STORY.
November 7th, 2010 at 2:17 am
Dear Ravindernath Ji,
Thank you for your comments. You are very much correct in your views. I have mine. I do not think I can’t do anything, I am doing and will continue to do so my bit. I want to be the contributing factor in this great nation. I may be One millionth drop in the ocean. I guarantee this drop is a positive one. On this course, I am doing my part by educating my children and neighbors children and in my school - Karnival Academy-Dehradun, Polishing and cleaning those beautiful and marvel little minds who think I do have a point. Relishing idea of well being, good thoughts and love towards this great nation. I am just doing my part. I do know that among 100 of them who are there to listen to me may brush off my words once they grow up. One thing I can assure you that at least one mind I will change. If that one mind is not my son than that will be my neighbors daughter or son. I will do my part and forever advocate this to all in the forum here and wherever I go. Let us do what we can. Thinking that someone will do, it isn’t going to happen – No Never. If everyone in India cleans up his house and surrounding, we will be just fine in every which way. So let us do our part. I can only appeal. I would like to read story of success as success matters to me. In the only life we have we must bring in the change. It seems impossible to get rid of corruption because majority of us do flow with the current leading to pond instead of sea. Our own country India can have successful company like Tata, Bharati, Reliance etc. with many dark spots, They still emerge champion in trade and leadership. I have great hope that you and me can do it - YES WE CAN. We are having a healthy discussion here for good. Let us aim to go for the moon, if we don’t get it at least we will be heading for a star. I appeal to all to join hands and clean up our own houses and restore the positive energy, influence our neighborhood, we will have unique direction. That direction will be of hope. When we help one another, everybody wins. I put my whole heart to ensure when someone comes to me he leaves smiling, a change for good. Thank you for sharing your vision. Appreciate it. Best Regards .. Aj
November 7th, 2010 at 8:40 am
dear Ajay
Your message is absalutly correct i am with you,i tried to clean the house as far as possible i stopped contracts with defense as i cant go along as i clear man,any way good tins will happen let us look forward.Best Regards… Ravi.
November 16th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
sir, i retired on 29 feb 2008 from the rank of jwo. may i know my benefit of one rank one pention.
November 18th, 2010 at 11:29 am
dear Sunil
send me your email
majrajinder@gmail.com
December 1st, 2010 at 8:36 am
Dear RS Saini Sir
I am ex jwo retired from indian air force on 30 June 2000. I promoted to the rank of jwo on 01 feb 2000 so I could hold the rank of jwo for five months only and drawing the pension of SGT till date. I could come to know that a person takes discharge from active service draws the pension of last rank held After VI CPC. what can be done in my case . please reply to me through my email if possible thanks
625428-G ex jwo NS Rajput
January 13th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
dear sir, mere lodging a comment is not solving the purpose, some body has to give the answers for this then there should be some satisfaction for comment.
January 13th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
IT IS GOOD HON CAPT GD NAIDU WHO WILL BELL THE CAT ???????
January 14th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Dear All Brothers,
Happy New Year.
Nothing will be new in the year. In 2012 they have to fight the election, then they will again promise us OROP. In fact all the parties will promise and as usual after the election is over we will be branded “USELESS” and will be forgotten. Some thing may happen in 7th Pay Commission. By then a considerable number of us will be dead.
Anyhow enjoy the life. Once again u may mail me for the pension circulars.
Good luck
Maj Rs Saini majrajinder@gmail.com
January 22nd, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Lovely Indian Fauji Community*
Happy Republic Day
not for the Govt’s declining attitude towards Ex-servicemen but for your right attitude to be devoted, dedicated and providing invincible defending services to the nation and sacred National Flag. Don’t go for politician’s statements. Their governance can make the right a wrong and divide the Fauji Community into Officer, PBOR and then call ex-servicemen a street Dog due to giant gap between ranks and file. Request judiciary/Apex authorities only for help and rights.However, decision and orders of Hon.Court may sometimes be denied by such governance and contempt petition in this regard won’t serve the purpose. Better be bold and united;share information for fitting response to unfair Govt Policies like a good Indian Fauji. Blood is for nation and services for sacred national flag, a fauji soul says . ‘Good Luck for conquering thoughts and will power’.
Somdutt Sharma
Ex CHA(SE) som_gaur2000@yahoo.com
January 24th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
all brother letus wait and watchthis is the only way ,Govt.has left us
January 25th, 2011 at 8:49 am
DEAR FRIENDS HAPPY REPUBLIC DAY
this is not for us as we are not eligible due to as we fighted out for the nation braught freedom for some un credential lot of junk sitting and running the nation and our defense when they come out then they feel pulse as an ex service man jai hind
January 25th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Dear KK Singh, PO SR I
I am POWTR who was with you onboard INS Sandhayak in 1984-85 and hope that you are the same. I feel nothing is going to happen by waiting for the government to do needful for the ex-servicemen community until we insist the government by organising some conference highlighting our 30 year old demand of OROP. If any one is known to you capable of motivating our community please encourage him to initiate to bring our community under one umbrella. Here in Tamil Nadu I have approached some personnel to try the same. Let us wait for a fruitful result
January 25th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Dear all,
I agree to Maj RS Saini’s views. He is right to say that in the year 2011 they will not do anything in this direction and again as the elections approach, they will try to give assurances and so on… the cart will follow suit as has always happened. The majority of us will depart and ………
If some miracle happens, then we may get a pinch of it.
Thanks.
January 25th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Dear Brothers,
Each year we show our loyalty to President of India and the whole India in Republic Day Parade.
Our Leaders say ” Do not ask the Country what it has done for you. Ask your self what you have done for the country”
Now we ask our Govt ” We have always done the supreme sacrifice for the nation. We have lost our limbs for the nation. We have give our prime youth to the nation. We have given whatever we could have given to the nation. WE have faced bullets. Now we ask the Government “What have you done for us ?”
January 25th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Once again we assure the Government that though we have been ignored by you, WE ARE READY TO SACRIFICE OUR LIVES FOR BHARAT MATA. A LOT OF US ARE OLD BUT WE HAVE NOT LOST OUR COURAGE. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY THING IN SWISS BANKS BUT WE HAVE A SENSE OF BELONGING TO THIS COUNTRY, WE ARE TRUE PATRIOTS
JAI HIND
January 25th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Sir,
I am R Tazuddin, Ex-PoWTR, retired from Indian Navy on 28.02.2006 after 18 years. Those who retired after 01.01.2006 they are eligible for One rank One pension. plz explain to me. what are the benefits we will get, if possibe send e-mail to me
January 26th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Dear Friend Tazuddin,
Have you approached Central Public Information Office, Mr Basant Swaroop, Jt CDA(N) O/o PCDA(N), N0.1 Coperage Ground, Mumbai-39, if not, than approach him and ask information under RTI 2005 and RTI rules 2010 along with postal order of value of Rs.10/-. Hope, you would get right information. I shall also try at my level.
Jai Hind
January 26th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Dear Fauji Community
Major RS Saini is of right view that we should watch and wait but not to bear with injustice.
Dear KK Singh you have caught me right on deck of Sandhyak
January 27th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Dear Tazuddin
Please go through the website PCDA(pension) and find out all the benefits. I also agree with the views of Maj Saini but not understanding why are we yet not ready to bell the cat by organising a conference or some demonstration either in District level or State level at least to show our strength? Further I hope Maj Saini would be able to advise the people manning the office of DSSAB all over India and some other organisations formed on the name of Ex-servicemen.
January 30th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Hai Somdutt Sharma,
The noting about INS Sandhayak is mine to confirm whether KK Singh who wrote above comment. Anyhow you came in line stating you were also onboard Sandhayak. Happy to meet you here on writing. I am Ganesan STD I whilst onboard Sandhayak who later on became and retired as POWTR. Please write about you. Normally Naval people have good approaches in high level officers and politician a general hearing. So try your level best to do something for implementation of OROP in case of existence of any possiblity.
With regards.
January 30th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
do u know cdr sreekmar
January 30th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
why no body responds to my questionable answers,,,,,
January 31st, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Mr.ravi
yes i know cdr sreekmr very well.
Mr. Ganeshan ex powtr, I same kk singh in sandhayak in 83&84
give u mail or phone
give detail plse fore one rank one pay
thanks
February 4th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Dear KK Singh
Thanking God sincerely for having created a chance to meet on this website after a gap of 26 years. Anyhow I would like to know the wellbeing of you and all your family members. My mobile No. +919842681217. I have putforth my idea to the people in Ex-servicemen League at Madurai regarding organising some rally or demonstration at District level for implementation of OROP. Let us see what happens. Intimate your Mail ID.
With warm regards
February 4th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
How Fitment of salary in SBI as a clerk done for ex sm?
February 23rd, 2011 at 5:20 pm
ated: 05 May 2010
ONE RANK – ONE PENSION (OROP)
1. The Ex-Servicemen (ESM) are amazed at the reply given by the Defence Minister in parliament the other day that granting of One Rank One Pension was not possible due to financial, legal and administrative reasons. The financial burden is too inconsequential and legal reasons have been adequately set aside by the courts in many of its recent judgements. As for as the administrative reasons are concerned, this is due to the mental block of the bureaucracy and its agonistic attitude towards the Defence Forces. That such a statement should be made by Defence Minister of India, in Parliament inspite of various SC, HC and AFT judgements to the contrary shows the scant regard the Govt in general and the Defence Ministry in particular has for the judiciary and morale of the Defence Forces. Some of the recent judgements are listed below:-
(a) SC Judgement of 09 Sep 2009 in the case of Union of India &
Maj Gen Vains and Others. The SC ruled that:-
(i) No Defence Personal Senior in rank can get less pension than his junior irrespective of the date of retirement.
(ii) Similarly placed Officers of the same rank are to be given the same pension irrespective of the date of retirement.
(b) AFT Chandigarh Judgement dated 03 Mar 2010. In the case of union of India and Maj Gen Vains and Others. The AFT ruled that the SC ruling in the case of Maj Gen Vains and others Vs Union of India dated 09 Sep 2009 be applied to the Petitioners for pre 2006 and post 2006 retirees and the judgement be implemented in three months.
(c) AFT Chandigarh Judgement dated 08 Mar 2010 in the case of Union of India Vs Babu Ram Dhiman and Union of India Vs Sohan Singh The AFT has directed the Union Government:-
(i) That the state cannot lay down different criteria for grant of pensions to officers, JCOs and Jawans on the basis of cut off date of retirement.
(ii) No Senior in rank defence person can draw less pension than his junior irrespective of the date of retirement.
(iii) All pensioners of the same rank and service irrespective of the date of retirement are entitled to same pension.
(iv) The above directions be implemented within four months.
(d) SC Judgement dated 08 Mar 2010 in the case of retired Defence Officer Association Vs Union of India. SC has ruled that the anomaly of 4th Pay Commission regarding rank pay which was removed by the Kerala High Court in one case is applicable to all officers who were in service on 1.1.86 and arrears will be paid to them with 6 percent interest. This judgement has for reaching consequences in that the pay and pensions of officers in 5th & 6th Pay Commissions would have to be worked out afresh.
2. The President in her address had made reference to the welfare of Defence Personnel, and stated that lot was being done by her Govt. The truth is just the opposite. Infact, their status, respect and Pay and Allowances have been down graded. The award of 6th CPC has been very damaging to their morale.
3. The Govt has shown total apathetic attitude towards their genuine demands. It is a sad reflection of the indifference of the Govt that Ex Servicemen (ESM) have been forced to sit on dharnas, go on hunger strike and return their coveted medals which are too close to the heart of a soldiers. It is sad refection of the Govt attitude that 22000 medals have been returned by the ESM on six occasions to express their anguish and hurt feelings. On 14 Mar 2010, the IESM delegation which had taken another 5000 medals to be handed over to the Supreme Commander, was denied the audience with her and feeling deeply hurt, they did not deposite the medals. However, they handed over the Memorandum signed in Blood by 6000 ESM to express their grievously hurt feelings to the staff of the Supreme Commander. The Govt continues to ignore their main demand of One Rank One Pension (OROP).
4. Extremely severe conditions, extreme job expectations including supreme sacrifice, surrender of fundamental rights, forcible early retirement at his prime age of 35 viz the key role played by the Armed Forces in upholding the democratic values of the country and safe guarding the soverignity and integrity of the country make it a unique organization uncomparable with any other profession. Any tinkering with the ethos and morale of the Armed Forces would be at the country’s peril. A soldier’s life is particularly influenced by his service conditions listed below:-
(a) Surrender of fundamental rights.
(b) Accept even death as a professional hazard.
(c) Live under extremely adverse physical and mental conditions during most part of service life.
(d) Ignore even the hardships their families undergo, treating those as part of the sacrifice they are called upon to make.
(e) Pass promotion examinations and attend courses of instruction in which non performance can effect ones career.
(f) Maintain his physical fitness and clear selection boards at every rank from Jawan to Lt Gen to meet the requirements of a pyramidical organization. Only les than 1 percent reach the appointment of Hav major, and rank of Sub Maj and Lt Gen, amongst Other Ranks, JCOs and Officers respectively. While 100 percent of direct entrants in IAS and IFS reach the rank of Addl Secy and above.
(g) Retire much earlier than the age of superannuation, as opposed to other Government employees and with no assurance of a second career. A jawan retires between 35-38 yrs. JCOs 42-48 yrs and an officer between 52-60 yrs (bulk of them at 54 yrs as only 15 percent hold the rank of Brigadier and above).
One Rank One Pension (OROP)
6. Implies that uniform pension be paid to the Armed Forces personnel retiring in the same rank with same length of service irrespective of their date of retirement and any future enhancement in pension be automatically passed on to the past pensions.
The Govt’s High Powered Committee Headed By the Cabinet Secretary
7. Had six other top bureaucrats of the country-Secretaries of Home, defence, Expenditure, Pensions & PW, DOPT and Ex-Servicemen Welfare. Since the government has accepted the recommendations of the Committee, reference to that report is relevant. It was expected that the Committee members, based on their experience and wide vision would come up with a fresh approach. Unfortunately, they failed to fulfill those expectations. The Committee only recommended that the dividing line between the pre-1997 and post 1997 pensioners be removed. They equated the pre -1997 pensioners with ‘post-1997 –and-pre-2006’ pensioners, thus removing a 12 years old anomaly. But the difference between the pre and post 1.1.2006 pensioners stays untouched.
8. The Finance Minister and the Defence Minister while speaking on the floor of the House had created an impression, deliberately or otherwise, that OROP had been granted. However, the truth was masked behind clever use of words. Merely narrowing the gap between past and present is not OROP; removing that gap is. The hard fact remains that as of now OROP has not been granted. There is a large gap which exists even now after taking into account the 08 Mar 2010 implementation order of enhanced pensions of Jawans and JCOs. The following table would clearly show the same:-
Pension Sepoy “Y” Group with 17 years Service
6 CPC
(in Rs)Enhancement vide 08 Mar 10 letter
(in Rs)Post 6th CPC Retirees wef (in Rs)
1.1.06 1.1.07 1.1.08 1.1.09 1.1.10
Without DA4046497170457257747476987929
With DA5462671195119797100901039210704
Difference in Pension of pre 1.1.2006 and Post 1.1.2010 retiree Sepoy after Recent Enhancement :-
(a) Without DA : 7929-4971 = 2958
(b)With DA : 10704-6711 = 3993
9. The Committee refers to reports of various earlier committees and Groups of Ministers (GOM) that examined the issue in the past. Somehow, it only quoted from reports that did not favour grant of OROP. For example, the Parliamentary Committee report headed by Madan lal Khurana had made a forceful case for OROP, going to the extent of saying that even if there was no precedent, it must be created now. This finds no mention in the present Committee report. Para 99 of the Report of Standing Committee on Defence (2003) clearly states: “The Committee have been recommending grant of `One Rank One Pension’ to the armed forces personnel time and again. The Committee observes that successive Governments and Pay Commissions have made improvements in the pension structure keeping in view the cost of living index. This has accentuated the disparity of pensionary benefits between pensioners of the same rank. The older pensioners who have become infirm in ability and capability and burdened with a larger social obligation receive pension calculated at the rate of pay at the time of their retirement in 1950s or 1960s or 1970s, which is quite paltry and the Dearness Relief quite inconsequential in today’s context of inflation and shrinking purchasing value of money. The nation must repay its debt to those defenders of the motherland with gratitude and humility. We should, instead of, looking for precedents in this regard, create precedents for the others to emulate. Any amount paid in this regard would be small token of our gratitude to them. The Committee, therefore, once again reiterates their earlier recommendation for providing `One Rank One Pension’ to the armed forces personnel”
10. The Committee quotes from the advice of the Law Ministry to the GOM in 2005. “The pensioners as a group consist of persons with different number of years of service and different average pay during the relevant period. If all of them are treated alike by providing same pension while ignoring their respective variations in length of service and average pay, that may amount to treating unequal as equals.” When we consider that the demand of OROP is based on seeking equating among pensioners of same rank and with same length of service this legal opinion becomes irrelevant and reference to it is meaningless.
11. The government had constituted this high powered body and it was expected that they would examine the problem de novo and inject some fresh ideas. Instead, they merely produced a summary of past findings and used it as the basis for their recommendations. This could have been done even by the junior staff, with the Secretaries merely pinning their signatures. The report does little to dispel the nagging suspicion that the constitution of the committee, and the statement of two Hon’ble Cabinet Ministers in the Parliament conveying an impression that OROP had been granted, was a mere diversionary exercise.
12. A few facts regarding pensions of Defence Personnel are reemphasised as under:-
All ranks who retired prior to 01 Jan 06 will draw much less pension as compared to their counter parts retiring after 01 Jan 2006 This is totally unjust, illegal and happens only in our Country.
A Major General pre 2006 retiree will get far less pension than A Lt Col, who is four ranks junior, who retired after 01-01-06. Likewise , other senior rank officers ie Brig, Col, Lt Col, Maj, Capt, Lt, JCOs & Jawans who are pre 2006 retirees will get less pension than their counterparts who retired after 01-01-06. This is a weird situation which is also a blatant violation of Article 14 of the constitution. A senior rank officer must never get less pension than his junior rank officer irrespective of the date of retirement. The very functioning of the Army Rank structure is being adversely affected since the present serving personnel are the future retirees.
There is far too large a gap — of Rs 11600 — between Major and Lt Col. Similarly, too large a gap has been created between the pensions of Major General and Lt Gen i.e Rs 9800/- The pensions of Lt Col, Col, Brig and Major General have been kept in a rather too narrow a range ie Rs 25700 – Rs 26700/-, a gap of only Rs 1000. The length of service and level of responsibility held have not been given due weigatage. Between Col and Maj Gen, the difference in pension is only Rs 650/-. The anomaly is too glaring. There should be sufficient gap, between the pensions of successive ranks and there should be no large variations within a particular rank.
While implementing the Supreme Court judgment in the case of Maj Gens, the Govt has accepted the concept of granting the same pension to pre 96 and post 96 retirees with same rank and same service the plea made by Maj Gens when 5th Pay Commission was implemented. In the same way, the Govt should have applied the same concept in the case of pre 01 Jan 2006 and Post 01 Jan 2006 retirees of all ranks.
Three Assured Carrier Progressions (ACP) concept has been accepted as 6th CPC award. But the same has not been applied to the past pensioners. The past pensioners should also be given the benefit of ACP by notionally applying the concept to them and their pensions fixed accordingly.
· Successive Central Pay Commissions (CPCs) repeatedly and viciously lowered the pay and status of defence personnel. To mention just two cases, DIG of police, whose pay and status was in between that of a Lieutenant-Colonel and Colonel now stands equated with a Brigadier for pay etc. DIG rank comes after 14 years service while that of a Brigadier after 26-28 years. So absurd has been the dispensation that a Brigadier was given more pension than a Major-General. The Sixth Pay Commission introduced a dozen more anomalies.
· Successive Presidents, Prime Ministers, Defence Ministers and the chairperson of the Congress party, at various times, accepted the grant of OROP. However, the bureaucracy has been frightening the political executive that giving OROP to the defence services will open a Pandora’s box. Every other government employee will ask for the same. This is patently false and mendacious contention.
· In all, 83 per cent of defence services personnel retire between the ages of 34 and 37 years. Another 5 to 12 per cent retire at the ages between 44 and 52 years. Only 0.35 per cent retire at the age of 60. While all civil employees serve up to the age of 60 years, they step up to the top of their respective pay bands, get all the three Assured Career Progressions (ACPs) and consequently not only draw increasing pay but end up with much higher pension.
· A comparison of the total amount drawn in terms of pay and pension by a soldier and pay by his counterpart in the civil by the time both reach the age of 60 years is Rs 33.3 lakh more for the civil servant; this figure at the age of 70 is Rs 42.670 lakh. At age 75, it is Rs 47.310 lakh. In the case of a Havaldar, his equivalent in the civil, at age 60, would get Rs 20.261 lakh more and this figure is Rs 26.639 lakh at age 70 and at 75 it is Rs 29.828 lakh. In the case of a Subedar, these figures at ages 60, 70 and 75 years are Rs 13.979 lakh, Rs 18.911 lakh and Rs 21.277 lakh respectively, more for the civil servant.
· A soldier retiring at 35 years of age will live through at least four Central Pay Commissions and suffer their dispensations for retirees. Whereas his counterpart in the civil will not only continue to benefit from successive CPCs while still in service for an additional 25 years, but on retirement will be effected by just one CPC, assuming 70 years as the average age expectancy. Therefore, even if OROP is granted, defence personnel will continue to suffer these gross disadvantages.
· Similar figures are available for officers. The disparities are due to early retirement, delayed and extremely limited promotions in higher ranks. All these features are service imperatives. Within the defence services, earlier retirees are further disadvantaged. A soldier who retired prior to January 1, 2006 will get far less pension than a soldier who retired after this date. For a Havaldar who retired prior to this date, his pension is less than a Sepoy who retired after this date.
· The ad-hoc compensation promised to the other ranks is completely inadequate and fails to address the core issue of OROP. Similar situation prevails in the case of officers. Only one with severely impaired vision, limited intelligence and/or deep seated bias can miss the incongruity in this working.
· The above disparities are independent of X factor which apply to only defence personnel. About 15 per cent of soldiers get the opportunity to live with their families for a period of one to two years in their entire service. In the case of others (including officers), only 40 to 50 per cent of their service, they live with their families. Then there are other travails of service such as harsh living conditions in uncongenial and high altitude areas which results in approximately 5000 of them being annually boarded out on medical grounds. Thousands live with ailments and continue to serve.
13. The defence personnel by training and thought are mature, patriotic and therefore, will not ask for any thing which is not their due but if justice is denied to them they will go all out albeit peacefully to get what is rightfully theirs. The humiliations heaped upon the Defence Forces in the last 10 years is leading to lot of frustration and anger and therefore, immediate action to address their grievances is required to be taken by the Govt. We therefore request you the following:-
(a) The judgements of the courts as mentioned in Para 1 (a to (d)
be implemented in letter and spirit immediately and Military Pensions of Pre 2006 Pensioners be fixed accordingly.
(b) Separate Pay Commission which has already been accepted by
the Govt be set up immediately and all anomalies in the Pay and allowances and pensions .etc be transferred to it. The commission may please be given a fixed time frame say one year to resolve all anomalies. Two third members of the commission be from serving and retired Defence Personnel.
(c) Military Veterans Commission be set up immediately which should consist of members from the Military Veterans only with all its powers as given to any other commission.
(d) The Head of the ESW Department of the Ministry of Defence should be headed by a serving or retired Defence Officer. Besides that at the next level below the Head of the ESW Department, there should be one officer each from the Army, Navy and Airforce – serving or retired. Out of the remaining personnel forming part of the ESW Department, at least 50% should be from the Defence Services – serving or retired.
14. Few seem to realise the strong bonding that exists between the veterans and the serving. There is continued interaction between units and their retired personnel and that is how units sustain the regimental spirit and traditions.
15. During leave, the serving come in contact with the retired and the dissatisfaction of the later gets passed to the serving. Therefore, there is the danger of spill-over effect of this disenchantment and disgruntlement of the veterans passing on to the serving. It will indeed be a sad day for the country when this distress is fully transferred to the serving.
16. The demand for OROP is fair and just and is only a part-compensation for early retirement, extremely limited promotions and a miniscule recompense for a hard and risk filled career. The political executive out to realise the injustice being done to the soldier and accept in good grace, what is fair and what is just.
With kind regards,
Jai Hind
Yours Sincerely,
Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
Vice Chairman Indian ESM Movement
Vice Admiral Brain Ghose
MILITARY PENSIONS AND ONE RANK ONE PENSION
How It All Began With Independence
1. The New Pay Code and the Pension Regulations 1950 were formulated on the recommendations of two Departmental Committees set up for the purpose. These were headed by senior ICS officers and included Finance and Armed Forces officers. The First Pay Commission for Central Government employees kept the Armed Forces out of its Terms of Reference. The Government recognised the distinctiveness of the Military and thereby followed the traditions of the Islington Commission of 1910.
2. Pensions of the military were examined and reviewed by the Armed Forces Pension Review Committee (AFPRC). The AFPRC recognised the distinctive traits of military service such as truncated career, early retirement, the need to enforce the cadre structure through the “up or out” policy and most importantly the importance and relevance of rank to the military whether it be for officers or Personnel Below Officer Rank (PBOR). The Rank Based Pension (RBP) recognised
· The age of retirement of every rank as it was different for each rank.
· The years of service required to reach that rank.
· The truncated career was compensated by a financial weight age given to every rank
· The two factors which determined the pension of the rank were therefore age of retirement and service required to reach that rank. Normally the individual retired when he completed years required to reach that rank. Extension upto two years was granted but there was no change in the rank pension
Demolishing Military Pensions And Its Civilianization
3. As long as the Armed Forces remained out of the purview of the National Central Pay Commissions, the existing structure continued. Military Pensions continued to be higher than that of the CG employees. The Govt however decided to bring the Armed Forces under review by the CPCs and did so with the 3rd CPC. The terms of reference for the Armed Forces was very much different though they did not realise it then.
4. The expectations of Armed Forces personnel were belied and the 3rd CPC recorded that the advantages of Service life were many and not available to CG employees. With regard to pensioners they opined that pension should be treated as a standby in times of adversity. The financial weight age was abolished and replaced by an arbitrary weight age of years of service to compensate truncated career. The fact that most PBOR left after initial engagement/colour service without pension was not addressed. It was left to Babu Jagjivan Ram to extend it to 15 years and make it pensionable. The impact of this move on the shortages of recruitment was immediately seen.
5. The 3rd CPC in order to civilianise Military Pensions related pension to Last Pay Drawn (LPD) as a percentage rather than rank. The cadre and pay structure wherein service officers moved much more slowly to reach higher pay scales , mostly retiring even before they had a chance This resulted in Military pensions falling way behind their civilian counterparts, not withstanding the weightage for truncated career.
GOVERNMENT REACTIONS
6. Upset by the reaction of ESM, Govt appointed a committee under KP Singh Deo, MOS(D) to look into the Non Effective Benefits of ESM Pensioners. The committee recommended that service pensions /retiring pensions should revert to rank based. In fact it went one step ahead. Service Pensions should not only be rank based but all vintages of pensioners should receive the same quantum of pension. A new term was coined namely One Rank One Pension (OROP). The Govt announced in the Lok Sabha that it had accepted 26 of the committees recommendations barring one, namely on OROP which it was examining for implementation.
WHAT WAS THE OROP RECCOMMENDED
7. KP Singh Deo view was that Military Pensions as existed prior to 3rd CPC should be restored. Since Rank played a very important role in the military, reflected its ethos and retained Constitutionally after retirement, pensions had to be rank based. Every substantive officer and PBOR should receive the pension of the rank held on retirement which meant all Majors would receive a Majors pension irrespective of their vintage and date of retirement The pensions had to be periodically say after every 10 years enhanced to update them.
OROP AND THE SUSEQUENT PAY COMMISSIONS
8. Within a few years of the above report, the 4th CPC was announced. The COSC charged Major General MEA Krishnan to formulate a comprehensive report and proposals on pensions for submission to the 4th CPC.. The CPC accepted the recommendations of the MOD that since KP Singh Deo Report with regard to service pensions was under consideration nothing be changed at that stage. To alleviate the PBOR pensioners plight a ONE TIME INCREMENT was proposed and implemented.
9. At the 5th CPC the Armed Forces Pay Cells in the Armed Forces Memorandum of Proposals made a strong plea for the grant of OROP. Whilst accepting the logic of OROP, the 5th CPC recorded that by giving to Armed Forces pensioners it would generate similar demands from civillian CG employees. They however recognised the plight of pensioners and introduced a system of parity and near parity amongst various vintages of pensioners. As of date the principle of parity and near parity as postulated by the 5th CPC is in force
10. The various anomalies flowing from the 5th CPC award were at insistence of the COSC were considered by the Govt. A Group of Officers (GOO) was set up under CabSec with the three service Chiefs and practically every Secretary connected with Defence as Members. Secretarial cover was provided by JS (E) MOF and Chairmen of PCCs. The GOO met thrice a week at fixed times and agenda with members being requested to be personally present. After nearly three weeks of meetings finally a Report was produced. Pensions was also discussed which included OROP. It was about to be accepted when some of the Secretaries placed objections and the CabSec finally suggested that for the present the 5th CPC recommendation of parity and near parity be accepted.
11. The 6th CPC whilst commenting on the demand for OROP repeated the same issues voiced by 5th CPC and stated that the principle of parity and near parity should be continued. Un wittingly perhaps the 6th CPC that the only category which was as per the OROP since their pensions were not as per the LPD but based on the rank and length of service on retirement.
ALL INDIA EXSERVICEMEN MOVMENT IS BORN
12. The ESM were deeply hurt and agitated with state of affairs with reference to their welfare. To meet their aspirations.
Proposal of IESM for OROP.
(a) Military Pension. All Ex Service Men irrespective of their date of retirement namely their vintage would be entitled to Military Pensions in recognition of the unique conditions of service applicable to them. All retirees of the same rank would receive the same pension irrespective of their date of retirement.Military Pension is unique to the Armed Forces personnel given for their conditions of service and has no relevance to the pension structure, rules and regulations which govern pensions to civilian Central Government employees.)
(b) Implementation of IESM Proposal.
(i) IESM accordingly proposes that Military Pension be granted to all pensioners including past retirees. It should be simple and easy to implement.
(ii) It be determined with reference to notional top of the scale as given in the fixation tables given in SAI/SNI/SAFI issued post 6th Pay Commission. (All Stagnation increments in the scale of rank be included). Since the pension so computed would be related to 30 years service, it would be subject to pro-rata reduction for less than 30 years service.
(iii) The over riding entitlement for an individual of pension being 50% of Last Pay Drawn once he completes 20 years service would remain. The ESM would have the option to choose the one beneficial to him.
(iv) 50% of Military Service Pay (MSP) be added to the computed pension for all ranks.
(v) It is reiterated that the pension thus computed would be applicable as on 01 Jan 06. Subsequently the pension be enhanced by the same amount by which pay is increased by increment. This will ensure parity amongst pensioners of the same rank and service.
3. Recommendations of IESM.
· We recommend introduction of Military Pension (MILPEN) to be implemented within 100 days of issue of orders.
· MILPEN will be applicable to all retiring Servicemen including past pensioners.
· MILPEN would be determined with reference to notional top of the pre revised scale (which would include all stagnation increments). This pension would be subject to pro-rata reduction for qualifying service less than 30 years. In addition 50% of MSP be added without any pro-rata reduction. The individual be given an option to choose between notional top of the pre revised scale of computing pension or 50 % of reckonable emoluments of the new scale, whichever is beneficial to the individual.
· The pension so fixed on 01Jan 06 be enhanced every year by the same %age and at the same time so that equity is continued to be maintained in perpetuity.
· Computation of Military Pensions thereafter is a mechanical process once the principles given above are adhered.
5. Conclusion. The above structured pension scheme would ensure equation amongst all vintages of Military Pensioners in perpetuity thereby meeting the requirements of ONE RANK ONE PENSION.
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February 23rd, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Brotherts, you must have seen my last blog.
This how our Govt is defying the court order.
Please read it carefully, copy it and paste in your computer and forward to as much as people possible.
JAI HIND
February 27th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Dear Maj. RS Saini, the facts revealed by you are correct and the order has been read by me carefully. The lacunae of CPC have been accepted by Hon court and our Government and military authorities are not interested in the welfare of Ex Servicemen in such regard. In other words court orders are denied indirectly by government as well as our present military authorities
February 27th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Dear Ganeshan, I am thankful to you for catching me. I know you well, you may not be aware of me. Circars gave us chance to be under one roof and then the next meet was during my embarkation on board Sandhayak.
Jai Hind
March 4th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Mr. Raja had recently been removed from his Ministrial post after the 2G scam .
Similarly SC has ordered removal of Mr. Thomas from CVC post.
I am sure these persons, who deserve exemplary punishment, will get good pension. Yes I may be wrong.
Sometimes back when Mr Tiwari was CM of Uttarakhand, there was a fire incident in a paint shop in Rudrapur. Mr. ND Tiwari came to Rudrapur in state government helicopter only to give away a cheque for Rs. Twenty Lakh to the owner. It was a nice act and we all appreciated it but we want to ask Mr Tiwari that so many sons of Uttarakhand had lost their lives fighting the enemy during this time, how many of them were given 20 lakh or more for the supreme sacrifice they had done ?
As a “pashchataap” he must now fight for ex servicemen.
March 6th, 2011 at 1:32 am
Pension to Govt. employees who have completed 10 years service are given. MLA who ateended the Assembly for 1 day getspension, Personal Staff of Minster’s after 2 years and 1 day’s service is getting pension. Defence personnel released on expiry of engagement with less than 15 years service is not geven any pension. It is understood in institutions are allowing pro-rata pension to people completed 10 years sercie. Can anybody enlighten in this regard by giving information for the benefit of such affected ex-Defence personnel
Jai Bharat
March 6th, 2011 at 11:54 am
I think that this can be taken to Army Tribunal or Supreme court. We must at par or above with all services.
1. Sacrificing our life or limbs is part of our duties.
2. We are denied certain fundamental rights which are given to all other govt employees. We can not form unions, we can not declare a strike and we can not take part in politics.
March 6th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
We need to collect regulations from various organisations and note down the dispartity shown to Defence Perssonnel. Need the support of Legislators(Law Makers) to raise the issue in Parliament. Tribunals/Courts are not law makers. They interpret and protect rules/law. If anybody can give any kind of useful informations, please help
April 25th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Dear Friends ,
Memorandum on OROP , as given below has been sent to :- rsc2pet@sansad.nic.in as desired . This is for your kind information . Its contents same may please be used for what they are worth , in any form , including putting them on any blog or even publishing etc ..
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Memorandum on OROP For the Hon’ble Petitions Committee
Introduction
1. Based upon the petition made to the Petitions Committee of the Parliament by the, Sh. Rajiv Chandershekhar , Hon’ble M P for granting One Rank One Pension(OROP) to the retired defence personnel , the said Committee has invited written memoranda from all cross sections of the society on the subject. Accordingly the same are sent as enumerated below .
2. What is One Rank One Pension
As per the Hon’ble Supreme Courts’ ruling ‘Pension’ is ‘‘Delayed wages for the services already rendered’’ . Therefore , all those who had rendered same services in terms of ‘Quantity’ and ‘Quality’, should get the same ‘’delayed wages’’, i.e. Pension , irrespective of their date of retirement . In the Military ‘Quantity of Service’ is measures in the terms of ‘Length of service’ and the ‘Quality’ is defined by the ‘’RANK” held . Simply put , all military persons , who held the ‘Same Rank’ and put in ’Same Length of Service’ under similar circumstances (category/ trade etc) be given the ‘Same Pension’ , irrespective of their date of retirement , i.e. those retired earlier MUST get the same ‘Delayed Wages’ (Pension) as the ones retiring now.
Why OROP
3. Up to second Pay Commission (in 1960s) military retirees used to get ‘Rank Based Pension’ i.e. One Rank One Pension’ in the form of ‘’Military Pension’’, wherein the old retirees got same pension as the new ones in the same rank . Also at that time , to compensate for their early ‘’FORCED RETIREMENT’’ to keep the military young , they used to get up to 75 % of their pay drawn as pension , where as the civilians used to get 33% of pay as pension , since the latter served for very long duration up to 55 to 58 years of age . However with the 3rd Pay Commission, the concept of the ‘’Military Pension’’ was done away and Military Pensions were ‘Civilianized’ and Military Veterans were merged with the civilians. Also the Military Veterans’ pension was reduced to 50 % and that of the civilians’ was increased from 33% to 50% of the last pay drawn . In addition , pension rules applicable to the Civilians, like getting full pension after 33 years, were made applicable to the military as well, fully forgetting that the defence persons could not put in 33 years of service, since they were forcedly retired , starting from 17 years , for a Sepoy. With each promotion they got couple of years more to serve and with the exception of some officers none could put in 33 years of service . Various wieghtage in years were given later to enable them to get closer to 33 years of service to get near 50% of pay. However with the wieghtage , no increase in ‘PAY’ was given .
4. Service Conditions . There is NOTHING COMMON in the ‘Conditions of Service’ of the civilians and the defence personnel . That of the latter are MOST dangerous , difficult and extremely disturbed. Opportunities to live with family and bring up children are extremely limited. On an average a fauji moves on posting / turnover with his unit once in two years. This is in contrast with civil services that offer years of continuity in their station of posting. While logically it would call for a better and more empathetic approach in pay, perks and pension, there is an unfortunate effort to ‘balance’ the two, wherein the civil services come off better (eg Disability Pensions, Widow’s Pension etc which were made upwardly better before becoming applicable to faujis).
5. Surrendering of “Fundamental Rights” On enrolement , the soldiers (term includes Sailors and Airmen) voluntarily surrender the Basic and Fundamental constitutional rights, like “Right to Life” in the larger National Interest’. Surely this great sacrifice needs to be recognized and suitably compensated. Granting of O R O P imethod of ‘Recognizng’ their sacrifices .
6. With each Pay Commission Award , the pay of all ranks goes up but those who retired earlier their pension does not increase much because it is based upon old lower pay scales . While health related and other financial responsibilities of older retirees keep on increasing , their pension , which is a function of ‘Rank’ held , being peculiar to military only, does not increase proportionately . After the award of 6th Pay Commission , the difference in pensions for a Sepoy is about Rs 3000/- for those who retired after and prior to the applicability of its ‘award’ . This is grossly against the ‘Law of Natural Justice’ and violates Article 14 of our constitution which emphasizes need for ‘‘Equity’’. Also , the Hon’ble Supreme Court , in its judgment in September ’08 ruled that there could not be two scales of pension for the same rank but with different date of retirement as it amounted to creating ‘’CLASS WITH IN A CLASS’’ .
7. In April ’10 the Hon’ble Supreme Court , in the case of Capt C.S Sidhu rebuked the govt NOT to treat Soldiers shabbily (actual wording was ,’’ Don’t treat them like beggars’’ , which was changed on plea of the govt pleader)
8. Almost ALL the Militaries of the world get OROP. The British military has a ”Standing Board” to upgrade military pensions ANNUALLY . Please see website ‘’ ? Pensions – British Army website ‘’
9. All secretaries to the Govt , Chief Secretaries , Director Generals of Police , MPs, MLAs , Judges , GOCs- in-C and many many more get One Rank One Pension . If they can get it , why deny to poor soldiers ?
Progress So far
10. To remove this anomaly , a Committee was formed in 1979 under K P Singh Deo , then an MP , who recommended that retired Defence Personnel of the same ‘Rank’, other conditions being same / similar should get same pension irrespective their date of retirement . This principle of O. R O.P. was accepted by number of Central Govts , on the floor of the Parliament , as a mark of gratitude to the Defence Services. Accordingly many Presidents , Prime Ministers and the Defence Ministers promised to implement the same . When it was pointed out that the other Govt employees would also ask for a similar treatment , Mr VP Singh, the then Prime Minister in 1990 , is on record having remarked , “ Let them (the civilian employees ) swap places with the military ” . But his govt fell before orders on O. R. O. P. could be issued.
11. Mr George Fernandes then Defence Minister , announced at Anandpur Sahib (Punjab) in April 1999 that One Rank One Pension would be given in a ‘‘ Matter of days’’ . Mrs Sonia Gandhi , the President of the Congress categorically stated in a Rally at Chandigarh in November 2002 ,that when their party came to power it would give OROP . The ‘Standing Committee on Defence’ (13th Lok Sabha) studied the problem and made suitable recommendations in its “20th Report’’. One of its recommendations was that the OROP be implemented . It even went to the extent that a ‘Precedent’ be made in this regards . This ’Report’ was tabled in both the houses of the Parliament by December 2003. But the NDA govt fell in May 2004. However the issue was also included in the President’s address to the Parliament in 2004 .. Again , the UPA govt’s Parliamentary Committee on Defence , Chaired by Mr Satpalji Maharj recommended One Rank One Pension in its report on 07 May 2010. All major political parties including Congress party had included the point of One Rank One Pension in their Lok Sabha election manifestos. That makes OROP the declared policy of the Government and ALL parties , not just of any one political party .
12. After a lot of hard struggle including return of War Medals, holding of number of Rallies , observing ‘Relay Hunger Strikes , SIGNING IN ”BLOOD” and all other peaceful means through out the country, lot many promises were made including by the President on 04 June 2009 but the Bureaucrats kept creating hurdles. Media support to the One Rank One Pension including the recent debates on TV made little difference to Bureaucrats since they have no answers to give .
13. Not giving OROP will lower the morale of the serving soldiers , since they too would be retiring one day. ”MORALE” , as you know, is a ”BATTLE WINNING FACTOR” . Lowering of morale of the military will weaken our NATIONAL DEFENCE .
14. Finally , KAUTALIYA’s Advice to Emperor Chander Gupt Maurya , reproduced below ,is relevant to us also
“ If ever things come to a sordid pass when, on a given day, the Mauryan soldier has to LOOK BACK over his shoulder (simhawalokana) , prompted by even a single worry about his and his family’s material, physical and social well being, it should cause you and your Council the greatest concern and distress. I beseech you to take instant note and act with uncommon dispatch to address the soldier’s anxiety. It is my bounden duty to assure you, My Lord, that the day when the Mauryan soldier has to demand his dues or, worse, plead for them, will neither have arrived overnight nor in vain. It will also bode ill for Magadha. For then, on that day, you, My Lord, will have lost all moral sanction to be King! It will also be the beginning of the end of the Mauryan Empire!!”
Why not to others?
15. The answer to the question ,” If we give OROP to Defence personnel, others will ask the same” is , “Yes please give OROP to all those who retire before the age of 60, yes give OROP to all those who join the service with the condition that they are willing to sacrifice their lives while performing service, yes give OROP to those who have been denied the fundamental rights by the Constitution of India, yes give OROP to all those who spend major portion of their young lives away from their families …and so on.
16. Is asking the views of ALL justified? . It is submitted that asking views by the Petition Committee of the general public , who are ”Un affected” and are ”Totally Unknowledgeable ” about the Military or the OROP , is NOT correct . Only those who are ”Concerned” / connected” and are ”EXPERTS” on the subject / problem be asked such views . Those who know NOTHING about the military and its harshest and most exacting working conditions MUST NOT be able to influence the thinking of the Hon’ble Committee on OROP . Is it justified to ask all and sundry to comment on the terms and conditions of brain surgeons or nuclear scientists ? If not, why should they be asked to comment on them ? Similarly those who know nothing about the Military are thus NOT qualified to comment on it . It appears to be Bureaucrats’ conspiracy to deny OROP to the Military Veterans on the grounds of comments by some ignorant persons which may be against it.
Conclusion
17.. Demand of One Rank One Pension is MOST genuine and has been projected with ALL peaceful means . It is learnt that the political leadership is willing to concede , but the wily bureaucracy is opposing it because they DO NOT want the Military Veterans paid well for the reasons best known to them. It is time the political leadership asserted to raise the MORALE of the Military and accept the demand of One Rank One Pension in the “NATIONAL INTEREST”.
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with warm regards and best wishes…………….mel………
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Brajesh Kulshreshtha,
Maj Gen (Retd)
April 25th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Please read my previous blog thoroughly and circulate it to the maximun number possible.
April 25th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Dear friends,
Toll tax on National Highwats has been exempted in case of Servicmen bot serving and retired, and their families.
To get a copy of the letter mail me at majrajinder@gmail.com
Wioth regards–Maj RS saini
April 25th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
correct my spellings
April 25th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
DEFENSE MINISTER SHOULD BE FROM EX-SERVICEMEN, THEN ONLY THE GOVT CAN REALIZE THE PAIN OF ARMED FORCE PERSONNEL.
April 25th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
I joined IAF as a RDO/Fit on 27 Nov1982 and my discharge from service is on 30 Nov’2002.I got JWO promotion five month before my discharing date.
Now I would like to know whether I am entitled for JWO pension or not?
I will be gratefull, if get answer.
April 26th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Dear Pradeep,
I think u must get pension for JWO . You must send me ur email address and I will send u the 6th pay commission report and addenda.
majrajinder@gmail.com
April 27th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Dear Saini sir,
Some days back I had read in report my signals blog, wherein Gen VK Singh during his visit to Haryana, that OROP for PBOR have almost accepted by the govt. As far as officers concerned it is stillunder consideration. I dont know its credibility
yours K Gopalakrishnan
April 27th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Almost means ‘nothing’ in the dictionary of politicians
April 27th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Dear Mathew,
Thank you for your comments. I am an ex RO from Indian navy and left the service after 10 years in 1986. Now I am working in a consulate office as an executive. Your point s is valid and for your information I would like to add that the MP’s are fixing their salary themselves. They are eating the bread and butter and robbing the public money. I think you have given a good suggestion i.e. form an union and fight for our rights. Could you please consult with some lawyer and get back to me. My e mail address is bonibee@indiatimes.com.
Regards,
Banibrata Banerjee, Ex RO I
April 28th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
DEAR SIR, I HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS ON THE SUBJECT OROP. PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHETHER WE R GOING TO GET THE OROP, AND IF IT IS SO, WHEN?
April 28th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Every serviceman wants to know, but govt is cheating us
May 1st, 2011 at 11:43 am
Wednesday, April 28, 2010
4th Pay Commission Rank Anomaly: GOI Prays before the Supreme Court
PROGRESS 4TH CPC RANK PAY ANOMALY COURT JUDGEMENT
Dear Brig,
Union of India has moved an application in SC for Directions seeking Modification/ Directions/ Recall of Order dated 8th March 2010 regarding their Rank Pay Case.
May I, request you to give this a wide publicity.
With best regards,
Lt Col BK Sharma (Retd)
President, RDOA
GOVERNMENT OF INDIA- THE PRAYER
It is, therefore, most humbly and respectfully prayed that this Hon’ble Court may be pleased to pass the following orders:-
(a) Recall the order dated 8th March 2010.
(b) Upon notice, re-hear all the cases on merits.
(c) Admit Writ petition Nos. … grant rule and hear them finally.
(d) Call for the records of the Writ Petitions filed in the various High Courts and after the completion of pleadings, hear the same finally.
(e) Pending further orders on the application grant an ad interim stay of the order dated 8th March 2010.
(f) Pass such other and further orders as this Hon’ble Court may deem fit and proper in the facts and circumstances of the present case.
Filed by: Advocate for the petitioner
Settled By: Sh Gopal Subramanium, Solicitor General
Comments:
1. Another delaying tactic route taken by bureaucrats to confuse the Politicians and the Public. Intention of GOI is to cheat the Military fraternity and stall the implementation of the Judicial Rulings. The Army, Navy and Air HQs seems to have no visible influence to ensure justice for its ESM! Sadly the bureaucrats have removed the sting of the armed forces literally. It is now to be seen whether we are geared up to fight any battle or will they forever remain belittled and buckled? The only Veteran who has got his entitlement is Maj Dhanabalan Click here: Danapalan vs Union Of India on 13 September, 2001
2. ALL SERVING Offrs commissioned from 1/1/86 upto 31/11/05 are also affected. Therefore respective Service HQs MUST counter this move by babus.
Brig Autar Singh (Retd)
3. The judgement has far reaching consequences. The Pay and Allowances and pension 4th and 5th Pay Commission would have to be worked out afresh. The Govt has no grounds to make prayer to recall the judgement. We must fight this tooth and nail to defeat the unjustified designs of the Govt. Why are they heaping injustices upon the soldiers is a matter of great concern to the whole Nation? Let us give it widest of publicity to tell the people of India our grave concerns and the Govts negative attitude.
Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
4. Is there NO ONE IN THE COUNTRY (OPPOSITION—BJP, Left, SP, RJD. BSP etc, OR our dear SUPREME COMMANDER or JUDICIARY or RULING PARTY i.e. UPA-II) who can see the truth/realty/injustice to the Nation/Public (at large & the personnel of the Defense Services, both Serving/IESM; in particular) and raise their voice against the INJUSTICE being done to ALL THE DEFENCE SERVICES’ PERSONNEL (both SERVING and RETIRED) who are directly affected due to the game played by the AUTHORITIES, RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING the awards of the CPCs. EVEN THE SERVING PERSONNEL too would be directly affected by the increase in their Pay Scales…..as a result of higher basic pay, after the award of IV CPC and also the subsequent awards and also the FUTURE CPCs..which are based on the last pay drawn. This is causing such a SEVERE BLOW TO THE PEOPLE IN UNIFORM and whose morale (and hence the health of the Nation) is directly affected by such IMMORAL ACTS. I am surprised that these things (i.e. filing of review petitions and all) are happening during the premiership of one of the best and highly educated & respected (and not an illiterate POLITICIAN—in the real sense) PMs of Independent India. I pray to God that good sense prevails in the minds of the POWERs that be and they do not take the DEFENCE SERVICES for GRANTED and it does not BOUNCE BACK. The politicians will realise this on their own peril BUT BY THAT TIME IT MAY BE TOO LATE! LET US INITIATE SOME DRASTIC ACTION and MAKE IT A MASS MOVEMENT.
Wg Cdr Subhash Bhutani (Retd)
5. Mr Anthony gave a stealth blow beneath the belt. Let us not panic. Any quick knee jerk reaction will do lot of damage. The game being played is to gain time and pass on the buck to the next Govt. Secondly it hurts their political vote catching plans of doling out money. So much surprising is that we are not asking for any favours. We are asking for our legitimate dues. Having robbed us and our families for 25 years MOD is playing their favorite game of litigation. It anger should be expressed in parliament. Let us stick to the Panchtantra saying: “UNITED WE STAND and DIVIDED WE FALL”. MOST IMPORTANT FEATURE OF THIS CASE IS THAT IT AFFECTS NOT ONLY THE RETIRED BUT ALSO THE SERVING OFFICERS. I AM SURE AT LEAST TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND SERVING OFFICERS ARE AFFECTED. IT IS FOR THE CHIEF TO STAND AND UP AND ASK THE CDA TO RECTIFY THE WRONG. We must also insist the culprits should be punished.
Brig K M Rao Veteran.
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Lt Col M N Engineer
43-B Defence R& D Cooperative Hsg Society., Dighi Camp PO.,
PUNE 411 015
Tel: 020 27150689 / 64109637
Mobile: 9225500415
May 1st, 2011 at 11:45 am
Please read my last blog carefully. Govt is bent upon to harm us
JAI HIND
May 4th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
The only place in India where food is cheap…..
Tea Re.1.00
Soup Rs.5.50
Dal Rs.1.50
Meals Rs.2.00
Chappathi Rs.1.00
Chicken Rs.24.50
Dosa Rs.4.00
Veg Briyani Rs.8.00
Fish Rs.13.00
This is actual price list.
These items are meant for “POOR PEOPLE” & is available at Indian ParliamentCanteen.
The salary of those poor people is
Rs.80,000.00 per Month!! PLUS HEFTY BONUS IN SCAMS….
Pls forward to all Indians (this all money comes from our pocket, TAXES YOU PAY)
New accounting terminology to go into effect:
1Crore = 1 Khoka
500Cr = 1 Koda
1000Cr = 1 Radia
10000Cr = 1 Kalmadi
100000Cr = 1Raja
100Raja = 1 Pawar
10000 Pawar =
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Jago Bharat Jago
Itna forward karo ki pura INDIA padhe.
May 5th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Dear Friends
See my earlier comments too, requesting to insist some of our Unions or Leagues or Boards to arrange a conference uniting Ex-Servicemen to prove our strength. Because in my opinion, these illiterate Bureaucrats will listen only the voice of people in mass. Senior Officers and highly positioned ESMs are not ready to come to the open ground and sweat a bit to unite our community. Thereby we still remain in dark. Let us see who will tie bell to the cat.
May 28th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
DISCLAIMER: I DON’T ENDORSE ANY POLITICAL PARTY.
NOR DO I ENDORSE ANY OF WHAT MAYAWATI IS DOING.
WAS JUST TAKEN ABACK BY RAHUL GANDHI’S HYPOCRITICAL COMMENT AT THE RECENT FARMER AGITATION IN UTTAR PRADESH.
Rahul Gandhi: “I feel ashamed to call myself an INDIAN after seeing what has happened here in UP”.
PLEASE DON’T BE ASHAMED OF U.P. YET
Please don’t be ashamed of Uttar Pradesh yet. Congress ruled the State for the Majority of the duration Pre Independence to Post Independence.. from 1939 to 1989 ( barring the Periods of Emergency.. Thanks to your Grand Mom Indira G. and a couple of transitional Governments)
8 out of the total 14 Prime Ministers of India have been from UP, 6 out of those 8 have been from Congress…
I think your party had more than half a century and half a Dozen PM’s to build a State…
The Reason Mulayam Singh, subsequently came to Power is because your party
wasn’t exactly Gandhian in their dealings in the State.. So May be If you
look at in totality the present chaos in UP is the outcome of the glorious
leadership displayed by Congress in UP for about 50 years!
So Please don’t feel ashamed as yet Dear Rahul.. For Mayawati is only using
the Land Acquisition Bill which your party had itself used to LOOT the
Farmers many times in the Past!
WHY DIDN’T YOUR PARTY CHANGE THE BILL WHEN IT WAS IN POWER FOR SO
LONG?
Not that I Endorse what Mayawati is doing.. What Mayawati is doing is Unacceptable..
But the past actions of your party and your recent comments, puts a
question mark on your INTENT and CONSISTENCY.
YOU REALLY WANT TO FEEL ASHAMED
But don’t be disappointed, I would give you ample reasons to feel ashamed…
You really want to feel Ashamed..?
First Ask Pranab Mukherjee, Why isn’t he giving the details of the account
holders in the Swiss Banks.
Ask your Mother, Who is impeding the Investigation against Hasan Ali?
Ask her, Who got 60% Kickbacks in the 2G Scam ?
Kalamdi is accused of a Few hundred Crores, Who Pocketed the Rest in the Common Wealth Games?
Ask Praful Patel what he did to the Indian Airlines? Why did Air India let
go of the Profitable Routes?
Ask Manmohan Singh. Why/What kept him quiet for so long?
Who let the BHOPAL GAS TRAGEDY Accused go Scot Free? ( 20,000 People died
in that Tragedy)
Who ordered the State Sponsored Massacre of SIKHS in 84?
Please read more about, How Indira Gandhi pushed the Nation Under Emergency
in 1975 - 1977, after the HC declared her election to Lok Sabha Void!
(I bet She had utmost respect for DEMOCRACY and JUDICIARY and FREE PRESS)
I guess you know the answers already. So My question is, Why the Double Standards in Judging Mayawati and members of your Family and Party?
I condemn Mayawati. But Is She the only one you feel Ashamed for?
What about the ones close to you? For their contribution to the Nation’s Misery is beyond comparison.
You talk about the Land being taken away from the Farmers. How many
Suicides have happened under your Parties Rule in Vidarbha ? Does that Not Ashame You ?
THE 72,000 CRORE LOAN WAIVER
Your Party gave those Farmers a 72,000 Crore Loan Waiver. Which didn’t even reach the Farmers by the way.
So, Why don’t you focus on implementing the policies which your govt. has
undertaken, instead of earning brownie points by trying to manufacture
consent by bombarding us with pictures of having food with Poor Villagers….
You want to feel ashamed. You can feel ashamed for your Party taking CREDIT
for DEBITING the Public Money (72,000 crores) from the Government Coffers
and literally Wasting it…
You want to feel ashamed.. Feel ashamed for that…
WHY ONLY HIGHLIGHT THIS ARREST?
Dear Rahul, to refresh your memory, you were arrested/detained by the FBI atbthe BOSTON Airport in September 2001.
You were carrrying with you $ 1,60,000 in Cash ( Similar to the Arrest of
Rahet Fateh Ali Khan recently, because you han’t decared that Amount) . US allowed $ 10,000 cash at Immigration.
9 HOURS he was kept at the Airport.
He was later freed on the intervention of the then Prime Minister
Why did that arrest not make Headlines Rahul? You could have gone to the
Media and told, “I am ashamed to call myself an INDIAN?”.
Or is it that, you only do like to highlight Symbolic Arrests (like in UP) and not Actual Arrests ( In BOSTON)
Because it so happens RAHET FATEH ALI KHAN’S recent arrest was Splashed in the Media and Your arrest in 2001 hardly got a MENTION..
Kindly Clarify…..
In any case, you want to feel ashamed, Read Along…
THINK ABOUT YOURSELF.
You go to Harvard on Donation Quota. ( Hindujas Gave HARVARD 11 million =
dollars the same year, when Rajiv Gandhi was in Power)
Then you are expelled in 3 Months/ You Dropped out in 3 Months…. ( Sadly
Manmohan Singh wasn’t the Dean of Harvard that time, else you might have
had a chance… Too Bad, there is only one Manmohan Singh!)
Some Accounts say, You had to Drop out because of Rajiv Ji’s Assasination.
May be, But Then Why did you go about lying about being Masters in
Economics from Harvard .. before finally taking it off your Resume upon questioning by Dr. SUBRAMANIYAM SWAMI (The Gentlemen who exposed the 2G Scam)
At St. Stephens.. You Fail the Hindi Exam.
Hindi Exam!!!
And you are representing the Biggest Hindi Speaking State of the Country?
Contrast that with Gandhi Ji , who went to South Africa, Became a Barrister, on Merit, Left all that to work for South Africa, then for the Country….
YOUTH ICON
You traveled in the Local Train for the first time at the Age of 38.
You went to some Villages as a part of Election Campaign.
And You won a Youth Icon!! … That’s why You are my Youth Icon.
For 25 Million People travel by Train Everyday. You are the First Person to win a Youth Icon for boarding a Train.
Thousands of Postmen go to remotest of Villages. None of them have yet gotten a Youth Icon.
You were neither Young Nor Iconic.
Still You became a Youth Icon beating Iconic and Younger Contenders like RAHUL DRAVID.
Shakespeare said, What’s in a Name?
Little did he knew, It’s all in the Name, Especially the Surname!
Speaking of Sir Name..
DO YOU REALLY RESPECT GANDHI, OR IS IT JUST TO CASH IN ON THE GOODWILL OF MAHATMA?
Because the Name on your Passport is RAUL VINCI.
Not RAHUL GANDHI..
May be if you wrote your Surname as Gandhi, you would have experienced,
what Gandhi feels like, LITERALLY ( Pun Intended)
But you don’t seem to use Gandhi except when you are fighting Elections. ( There it makes complete sense).
Imagine fighting by the Name Raul Vinci…Even Leonardo Da Vinci couldn’t win an Election in India with that Name!!
It feels sadly Ironic, Gandhi Ji, who inspired Icons like Nelson Mandela
,Martin Luther King Jr. and John Lennon, across the world, Couldn’t inspire
members of his party/ Nehru’s Family, who only seem to use his Surname for
the purposes of FIGHTING ELECTIONS and conveniently use a different name on
their PASSPORT.
You could feel ashamed for your Double Standards.
YOUTH INTO POLITICS.
Now You want Youth to Join Politics.
I say First you Join Politics.
Because you haven’t Joined Politics. You have Joined a Family Business.
First you Join Politics. Win an Election fighting as RAUL VINCI and Not
Rahul Gandhi, then come and ask the youth and the Educated Brass for more
involvement in Politics.
We would appreciate if you stop requesting the Youth to Join Politics =
till you establish your credentials…
WHY WE CAN’T JOIN POLITICS!
Rahul Baba, Please understand, Your Father had a lot of money in your
Family account ( in Swiss Bank) when he died.
Ordinary Youth has to WORK FOR A LIVING.
YOUR FAMILY just needs to NETWORK FOR A LIVING
If our Father had left thousands of Crores with us, We might consider doing the same..
But we have to Work. Not just for ourselves. But also for you. So that we can pay 30% of our Income to the Govt. which can then be channelized to the Swiss Banks and your Personal Accounts under some Pseudo Names.
So Rahul, Please don’t mind If the Youth doesn’t Join Politics. We are doing our best to fund your Election Campaigns and your Chopper Trips to the Villages.
Somebody has to Earn the Money that Politicians Feed On.
INDIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS
You want to feel ashamed..
Feel Ashamed for what the First Family of Politics has been reduced to…
A Money Laundering Enterprise.
You really want to feel Ashamed.
RAUL VINCI : I am ashamed to call myself an Indian.
Even we are ashamed to call you so!
P.S: Popular Media is either bought or blackmailed, controlled to Manufacture Consent!
My Guess is Social Media is still a Democratic Platform.
Let’s ask these questions, for we deserve some Answers.
For we are all Gandhi’s. For he is the Father of the Nation.
FINALY: FEEL ASAMED THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT IS IGNORING EX SERVICEMEN !
June 12th, 2011 at 12:34 am
Dear Major Saini & All Ex-servicemen,The word PBOR is no more in use as it has been banned by Integrated Headquarters of MoD. This has been published in News Paper ‘Hindustan’ of dated 04-03-2011 so each military person should be addressed with respect and Rank only. Thus, we are still bounded with rank and file and follow the norms in which we have been molded in the military environment. Should we scare off such political involvement. I feel present political system in India is deepening the gap between Rank and File and also dividing the Military Personnel on the basis of caste ism. We recognize ourselves as Indian Fauji and no discriminatory treatment is given while dining on same table, fighting together against enemy, getting pay as defined in services. Then, why we are divided on the basis of reservation after getting retirement since we had been equal while being in services. Perhaps, this policy needs changes and reservation should be on the basis of ‘Fauji’ class and not on the basis of divisive factor casts and creed. This might be the main factor which cannot bring as closer as we had been in active service. Thus, talking of government and its policies is not logic and we should look into ourselves.Regards and duties should not be bonded within the pages but facts should be looked into by the serving officers or Chief of Army/Navy/Air force staff. This would be certainly a favorable and positive point to strengthen our serving and retired military personnel.
‘Jaihind’
June 12th, 2011 at 12:55 am
Revered Flag Officers(Retd) and other Ranks(Retd), I have gone through almost all comments given by all retired officers and other ranks of high caliber and intellects. I am nothing to comment on my superiors as the rank and status and due respect remain same until death. To talk of revolution and criticizing Government is easy but to select the right path of resolving the difficulties and to find root of anti military policies of Government is a tough task. Such impossible task are completely based on the recommendation of Senior Officers in active services and routed through the channel chief secretary, defence minister etc. Improvement within the system in active service can solve such problems. Senior Retd officers should think for that.
Lot of Thanks & Regards
Jaihind
June 12th, 2011 at 7:49 am
Dear Somdutt Sharma
I fully agree with you.
Regarding duty and responsibility of serving senior officers, they have failed. It was only Gen Thimayya who fought for us. Senior brass is more after rehabilitation as an ambassador or governor.
June 15th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Dear Somdutt
It is ofcourse true. But whilst in service, the Senior Officers (Flag Officers)are having restrictions to fight for our rights, because they have to foresee their further portfolio and promotions since those are assigned only with the support of these illiterate bureaucrats.
I request Maj Saini sahaab, to insist two or three Retired Flag Officers to try forming an Union or an association or even a political party. The growth of the same may be slightly slow at the initial stage, but it will blossom after a specific period. We know to be silent, obedient, disciplined,beg, remain hunger and even to fight.
One should come forward to serve for the served. Who is that ? Let us wait and see.
Thanks.
June 15th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Dear ganesan
MAY YOUR DREAM COME TRUE
July 19th, 2011 at 1:40 am
Dear Major Saini
I am impressed with your blog, but the facts may not be with unresolved military problems and declining attitude of government towards serving and retired military personnel. Every serving military man has to be become an ex-serviceman. Do you believe that present declining attitude of Government, somewhere effect the morale of active service personnel. If so, why our retired senior officer are not coming together with serving senior officers to bring into the notice of government. This would be more beneficial to counter the present bio- face/multidimensional threat to our nation as well as to keep the morale of fighting force high.I believe a small and right step in this direction can solve the problem of serving as well as retired military personnel.
Jai Hind
July 19th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Dear Ravindra Nath,
Thanks for your comment. Every one should instigate someone to come forward. Financially sound can only initiate this sort of adventurous activity. Any reliable source exists in your circle, plse do encourage to come forward.
July 19th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Dear brothers,
I would like to bring into your notice, How our Govt is cheating to us on the name of welfare. Recently we surprise to see that reservation in the AIEE 2011 has been removed from this year. One side they are making publicity that they are providing lot of facilities (reservation) to the Ex-Servicemen.
Our while youth hood was looted and now we had to depended on their (Govt)help, what hell is this. Is there any solution to fix this kind of issues. This way if continues one day ESM would start begging. I think we should use media whenever possible to educate the people.
Best Regards
Dfr Haribabu
July 20th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
DEAR FRIENDS
ALL OF US ARE REALLY DOING NOTHING WE SPEAK THROUGH THIS MEDIA AND FORGET,, LET ALL OF US ORGANIZE A STATE WIDE CAMPAIGN AS ALL OF US ARE FROM DIFFERENT STATES AND IN AN ORGANISED WAY WE ELECT A SMALL GROUP FROM ALL STATES CONTRIBUTE SUM FUNDS ,CALL FOR ALL INDIA PRESS CONFERENCE. IF YOGA GURU RAMDEV CAN DO WHY WE BROTHERS WHO ARE IN LARGE SCALE JOIN TOGETHER FOR THE RIGHT BY DIVIDING NORTH SOUTH EAST WEST HAVE A MELA TO REPRESENT ALL THE CASES BOLDLY …AFTER ALL WE ARE BRAVE SOLDERS ..BEST REGARDS RAVINDRANATH..
August 31st, 2011 at 10:26 am
my father retaire as sepoy on 1981 what benifit they will get from one rank one pension scheme. is any type of arrier will give from 1996 to now tohim .if yes then how many it almost
September 1st, 2011 at 11:20 am
DEAR FRIENDS ,
ALL OF US ARE FOOLS AS AN EX SERVICE MEN WE CANNOT DO ANY THING SEE AN EX SERVICE MEN SRI ANNA HAZARE WHO HAD GUTS AND SUPPORT TO SHAKE THE NATION.BUT POOR MAN THOUGHT CORRUPTION ONLY AND NOT FOR THE POOR SOLDIERS VERY SAD ANNA TO MOVE FOR SOLDERS FOR PENSION AFTER 10 YEARS OF SERVICE AND CGHS SCHEME AND MANY OTHER BENIFITS AS EQUAL TO MLAS, MLC, OR OF MPS. LET US ALL MARCH TO RAM LEELA GROUNDS
INFORM AND PLAN CHOOSE THE BRAVE LEADER ….REGARDS RAVINDRANATH
September 1st, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Dear Achalaram,
send me ur email at majrajinder@gmail,com
September 18th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
My dad is retired JWO FRO MIAF . He retired 1985.we want PPO details every year. is it any website to take print copy of latest of PPO.Pls mail back with full detials.
Thanking you
M.V.RAO
September 19th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Dear Ravindra Nath,
I have gone through your thoughts put in this link. I really appreciate your mindset. Yes, we can build a nation-wide organized team segmented into state-wise elected teams with a handsome fund contributed by all the members. The example of Hon. Anna Hazare is really a motivational factor. We should act like Anna Hazare. He has spent his life without any self interest. He has not married due to the reason of serving to the nation and draw a line from where he becomes a ray of light to the entire mass of India. But, on the other side, we speak and put our thoughts to the media which are spread all over and give us fruitful results.
The time has changed, it is an era of Information technology, that’s why we are able to get united and act accordingly. off-course, the dumb and deaf government has no sentiments towards the Patriot soldiers who save the mother land from not only external enemies but also from the one from within ourselves.
Here, I not able to stop me from commenting, we are educated people living in a well behaved society, we must refrain ourselves from using un-parliamentary words over such a blog which is read by millions of reputed people.
Let us get united and fight the unjustice towards poor ex-servicemen.
Please do not take it otherwise.
Thanks & Regards,
RATAN SINGH
September 20th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
DEAR FRIEND I REALY AGREE WITH U BUT NONE OF THE READERS ARE GIVING THE RIGHT EXPLANATION NOR OUR VIEWS ARE NOT SHARED OR LOOKED INTO U GET MORE EMOTIONAL BE IN TOUCH REGARDS RAVINDRANATH VISAKHAPATNAM…
September 21st, 2011 at 10:45 am
I AM RETIRED FROM INDIAN NAVY ON DIABILITY AND GETTIMG PENSION I AM NOT GETTING ANY EXTRA PENSION AS TOLD BY FM, THE WAR WOUNDED AND DIABILITY PENSINERS WILL BE GIVEN SOME RELIEF. I ASKED MY BANK, CANARABANK, THEY SAY I SHOULD ASK ADALTH FOR THE SAME. WIL THE FM CONSIDER MY PROBLEM? ANY BODY TELL ME WHAT SHAL I DO TO GET MY DUES. PLEASE HELP ME
REGARDS
S.KRISHNAMURTHY
PENSIONER, INDIA NAY
BANGALORE
September 22nd, 2011 at 12:21 am
dear friend is there any ex servicemen forum or ask zilla sainik board or write directly cabs pension..
September 22nd, 2011 at 11:36 am
Dear S Krishnamurthy,
I think you must go to court. If possible, to Defense Tribunal. It was during your service that you got the problem. Sending somebody out of forces with permanent cee category without pension looks like wrong treatment
September 24th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Dear Krishnamurthy,
You can directly write to CABS as to grant of Disability pension according to the percentage of disability?. As you mentioned some relief announced by FM, you can clarify the same from your DSSAB and if it is special grant in nature you will have to submit claim form which can be advised only by the DSSAB or CABS.
With regards
October 8th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Dear All,
Its heard that OROP has been accepted and orders issued.
If some one has a copy, pls share that here.
rgds.
rathore
October 8th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Dear Rathore,
We are eagerly waiting. So far there has been no such order
October 9th, 2011 at 1:38 am
Dear Krishnamurthy
As suggested by POWTR Ganeshan, the assessed reasons, kind and percentage of disability by competent board is in the records of CABS. You should obtain complete information from records and then justify your self. If you feel that you are not getting privilege in full, then take up the case to defence tribunal or court as viewed by Major Saini.Expected OROP is suspicion and may wait for a long.
Jaihind
October 15th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
Dear Krishanamurthy
Please go through Circular 430 of 10 March 2010 followed by the details related to enhancement of benefits of pension by GOI. You just fill up Appendix ‘A’ through your PDA (Bank) for revision of disability benefits. Open website PCDA, then click government orders reflected towards left and then important orders/circulars and enter. You will reach the page of important circular and you will find the Circular 430 as an ‘Important’ circular. As per disability benefits, 20 to 50% as under one slab; 51 to75 second slab and 76 to 100 is the third and final slab for the disability benefit only. I have confirmed through known resources. Please go for that.
Jaihind
October 19th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Dear Friends
I have gone through various comments expressed by my revered ,experienced and learned ex-servicemen.I am not able to understand why so much time is being wasted on orop issues.You have suffered while serving in defence because your genuine problems were not projected to higher authorities in a proper way and at appropriate time.Today how can you expect some miracle from your govt.? Your govt. know that you are unorganised,surronded by so many family and social problems,after leaving service.Mere Writing in blogs is not going to bring out any fruitful results.There are so many ex servicemen who arein parliament and holding important portfolios.Can we just ask them why they have not taken up orop issue inside the parliament? They will not! Why? Next time they will not get ticket to contest election if they go against the wishes and norms of their respective party high commands.
We all have served in different units,environments,with different people and for different goals. We are different from our civilian broters in many aspects.Training imparted to us has filled us with so much confidence and energy that our civilian counterparts can not even dream of.What makes relationships,communities,countries and men great are not the things that we have in common but the differences that make us unique.So let us not waste time on orop issue and try to make the best use of our leftover life.
You might have joined armed forces due to various reasons and let our children not commit this mistake.Let them not get blackmailed in the name of serving our country.I would like to advise my esm brothers who left service at young age, to get their children highly educated . There is no dearth of opportunities if your children are highly qualified.
And finally I would like to add
The heights by great men reached and kept
Were not attained by sudden flight
But they, while their companions slept,
Were toiling upward in the night.
I wish you good luck and once more want to write that the way you raise your children is the way you raise your future generation
Jai Hind
October 19th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Dear all,
This refers to the comments written by shri P Saini above. Yes , Saini sab identified certain points about our past life ie in the forces and some in the retired life. Yes, civilian babus are not ready to accept the armed forces unless there is war. The IAS lobby did everything for their present and future , in the meantime they succeeded in reducing the benefits that have been granted to the exservicemen. Our Generals if objected to strongly that or this time, the Govt would not have dared to accept these dirty tactics. Even now our serving Generals are not coming strongly to convey the govt about this injustice, if it happends, it wont take more than 24 hours to settle the issues. But if they protested, yes, they cannot get the posts of governors and ambassadors.
Any how, presently what the leaders of the IESM doing is defenitely in the right direction, day will come, the IESM will achieve it, because these are genuine points.
Nobody can appreciate the fact that with 6000 rupees pension, an Exserviceman cannot run the family. Please attend the rally which has been announced for 12th Nov, give the full support.A peopn in the civil is getting better pension. The officers of the serving and retired must raise their voice aginst the degradation. It is high time.
October 28th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Hai Mr. K Kurup,
You have mentioned a rally is organised on 12th Nov for which no details as to where, how and on whose directions are available. Plse kindly let us know through wide publication which would ensure a good number of ESMs participation like in News Papers, TVs (National & Regional),Websites and even flex banners in District HQs. For such advertisements, the IESM may please be advised to cantact DSSABs, Ex-servicemen League etc.
With regards.
October 28th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
PDP Ganesh,
Iam reproducing the message giv en by IESM is eproduced please.
quote A grand rally of IESM will also be held on 12 Nov 211 at Jantar Mantar from 1000h onwards.un quote. This is on the iesm web site please
A delegation of ex servicemen would leave for President house at 1400h to deposit the medals returned by the veterans.
A delegation of widows would leave at 1200h to meet Mrs Sonia Gandhi 10 Janpath to hand over the memorandum about the ill treatment of widows by MOD.
All are requested to attend AGM and the rally.
Regards
Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM
November 14th, 2011 at 3:01 am
Dear All Ex-Servicemen ORs/NCOs/SNCOs/JCOs/Hony Ranks/SSCOS/ECOS. pl shed out any kind of your connections (especailly chamchagiri) with Ex-Officers, who are main hurdles to get our genuine demands/rather rightful and just demands from Double Family Pension/Dual Family pension/Second Family pension, OROP, allotments of differennt lines of professional business carridors etc., etc., be united together. we have millions of Ex-Servicemen Welfare Associations/Federations/organisations etc., we say or claim we are 25,00,000 besides, 70,000 widows in number, it is just enough to turn up at Jantar mantar or Ramleela Maidan, or ‘Chalo Parliament’ in rally, why the Govt would not consider our just demands. be honest yourself. things will automatically roll on. now u see the civilians gone to ‘CAT’ obtained order, it is conspiracy in prediction, if the Govt sanctions OROP to the ORs/NCOs/SNCOs/JCOs/Hony Ranks/, the civilians will throw this weapon before the Govt for extension of the same. all dirty plays of politics. in case of officers the 6th CPC has well takenb care of them in all respects. wehatelse they want. first of all, how they can compare with us???????/ if you walk in any of CSD, ECHS, Offices of RSWB, ZSWB ther will be a seperate que, nay que at all for officers, why know our own men are ‘at thier services(feet)’. most shameful even after retirement. at ECHS, RSWB,ZSWB etc, the retired officers who are managing imposing all kinds of strict discipline never seen/exprienced even while in the active military services, of thier own. Brothers lot and lot of things to be set right in order, provided all our category united together and show our mighty strength. UNITY PHOTO
E D I T O R I A L
The future of the EX-SERVICEMEN’s
UNITY depend on its efforts to
galvanize the cadre and take people
into confidence on several issues.
It must convince EX-SERVICEMEN that
‘ONE-RANK ONE-PENSION’ cause is real
issue. Otherwise, it would be other
basket of sour grapes for it. (M N Rao, E-in-C)
“So Powerful is the light of UNITY that it can illuminate the whole earth”
‘Prayer’-The power that pulls everything together successfully. Every principle I have shared with you all ESM of Indian soldiers in these pages is key ingredient in the recipe for success. We come now to the final and most important stage necessary for effective organizational management. If we have followed all the steps outlined earlier, then by now we have:
(1). Put our problems in proper perspective,
(2). Applied the principles of managing problems positively,
(3). Taken charge and control of situation,
(4). Tackled impossibilities with the Ten Commandments for
Possibility Thinking,
(5). Counted to ten and won, &
(6). Applied the faith that will move our mountain.
But each of these stages, understanding and overriding all the principles we have developed in the preceding stages, there must be a steady and unfailing practice of positive prayer if we are to succeed.
Decision-making is easy if there are no contradictions in our value system.
Success is Failure turned inside out, the silver tint of the clouds of doubt, and we can never tell how close we are, it may be near when it seems afar; so stick to the Fight when we are hardest hit, it’s when things get Worse that we must not Quit.
MAXIMUM RISK, LESS PAY STILL SERVED THE COUNTRY
(Contd… from April, 2010 Vol-V)
(please see in next issue)
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“The one battle most people lose is
the battle over the ‘fear of failure’…
try…start…begin…and you’ll
be assured you won the first round”
advantage to the elite category at the cost of another. NO MONITORING GOVERNMENT APPOINTED AUTHORITY TO FOLLOW UP THE RESERVATIONS/PRIVILEGES PROVIDED TO THE EX-SERVICEMEN
There were several and innumerable cases, incidents, occasions where only the Ex-Servicemen ORs/NCOs/JCOs(PBORs)=Unemployed-;re-employed-pensioners-widows-dependents’ category got deprived of from their Legitimate share, Constitutional rights, Social privileges and benefits from all spheres of life like lateral induction, reservations and its implementation and compliance with in letter and spirit in the fields of (re)Employment, educational institutions, allotment of several impelling projects/schemes like petrol bunks, Specialist Doctors’ consultations/ referral to Corporate Hospitals, CSD facilities/sharing of profits, discrimination in allotment of houses/Flats by AWHO, sanction of Security Agencies,– treating them as an ‘untouchable’, unlike the other category of similarly defined Ex-Servicemen Officers. One of the glaring example where this suppressed category was denied their due share and affected adversely is especially in the filed of Reservations in the Employment-Public or Private, Corporate level or Industry level. Many restrictive clauses imposed dividing the two Ex-Defence forces personnel vertically to the most
In a recent case, the Hon’ble Supreme Court has held that General Category candidates who crack competitive Examinations but end up getting waitlisted for want of seats can’t be accommodated against posts belonging to the reserved category even if they are lying vacant.(emphasis added: in our case it is just reverse, since there is no monitoring authority)
The ruling came in a case relating to appointment of District Judges in the Delhi Judicial Services. It was alleged by aggrieved candidates that after filling up of the 13 posts notified for the general category posts which were vacancies in the reserved category posts which were not filled and hence those on the top of the merit-cum wait list be considered for the same. A Bench comprising Chief Justice KG Balakrishnan and Justices Deepak Verma and BS Chauhan rejected the petitions saying it would be patently illegal to appoint persons in excess of the notified vacancies. “Any appointment made beyond the number of
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vacancies advertised is without jurisdiction, been voilative of Articles-14 & 16(1) of the Constitution, thus a nullity, inexecutable and unenforceable in law”, said Justice Chauhan writing the judgment for the apex court Bench. [Quota Prevails: Details: (i) in May’07, 20 posts for Delhi District Judges announced=13 for general category and 7 for SC/STs; (ii) All general seats were filled up, but 2 SC & 4 ST posts were vacant, (iii) Hon’ble Supreme Court says that advertised number of general posts were filled up. Waitlist to be “consigned to record room” despite SC/ST vacancies].
The merit list for general category is just for that category, the court has held in its fresh intervention in the “merit Vs. social justice” debate.
Whereas in the case of ORs/NCOs/JCOs(PBORs) Ex-Servicemen there was no such monitoring machinery(Authority) by Legislative proceedings to follow up whether the posts/seats reserved for ESM have been actually filled up with our ESM category/ dependants/wards or not, unlike the other categories like SC/ST/OBC which have Constitutional protection as well as executive empowered questioning authoritative machineries are functioning very effectively from primary level to the highest top end level. If any thing goes wrong by chance, they successfully stall even the Constitutional functions, but such Questioning Authority is totally absent in our case of ORs/NCOs/JCOs(PBORs) Ex-Servicemen.
If you observe the above judgment you feel that the posts and seats reserved in employment and educational institutions respectively; quotas reserved for allotment; assignment of Agricultural lands and house sites and industrial estates are preserved and in other avenues for the ESM category are not filled up from ESM category and the actual position not known to even the directly affected aggrieved ESM, leave the ESM organizations which were made just spectators and powerless. But the concerned authority show their magical statistical figures covered with false and fictious data information in reverse.
In case, there are any back logs, the unfilled vacancies should be carried forward and the same should be filled up from ESM category only which is in vogue in other reserved categories cited above, based on which the above judgment was delivered. In the recently held Banking recruitments all over the country in ALL Banks, the number of vacancies notified for our ORs/NCOs/JCOs(PBORs) ESM category were never filled up as per the notifications issued by each individual banks, leave to the strict implementation/compliance with the Reservation policy promulgated by the Central Govt as well as byall the State Govts. (Chief Editor) HMS
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EX-SERVICEMEN RESERVATION POLICY IS SHAM
There was an astonishing unfair professional management malpractice has been taken place in selection processes. I have immediately vide our A.P.State unit 15 pages Lr. Ref No. NEXCC/AP/GS/VC/87/09 dt.20-09-2009 inter-alia about 23 other issues, brought to the notice of the Director of RSWB reminding him his duties and responsibilities as enumerated by the KSWB in this regard, for taking immediate and suitable action against the erring concerned authorities. I like to reproduce only the relevant portion of the subject matter hereunder: (extracted pages from the above quoted letter). . . . . . . . .
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E D I T O R I A L
IT IS NEVER TOO LATE TO MEND
Err is human. Every mistake is a lesson, thus a living sermon. The tendency to correct mistakes should be appreciated. An intelligent and aspiring individual never repeats the mistake a second time. It is never too late to rectify one’s mistake and come to the right way. One should not get shy or ashamed of to follow the noble deeds and choose the right path. Unity is the ultimate goal for which the people can have great deal of harmony of agreements and complete accordance among individual persons regarding attitudes, opinions, intentions, aspirations, goals, welfare, success etc., which are combination of different positive parts of achievements. We learn from past history, where Kings, Princes, Rulers-Rajas, Nawabs etc., who are quite disunited, acted independently, nay some times took shelter, assisted or partnered with foreigners/alien enemies leading to easy invasion of the Bharath. Results, people of this country miserably suffered, irrevocable losses occurred, decades passed to recoup. The present trend of ESM is similar to them, tiny and small groups come up, pseudo Welfare Organizations spread. Now-a- days one can see in each galli there is some kind of ESM Assn is taking birth in a overnight. Whether the profounders of these tiny units and fungus mushrooms have got any competency, confer any moral rights to show off! Whether they are genuine and honest for the just cause of mass ESM and their dependents! Whether they are competent enough to shape for catering expertise services to the needy! Are these dispelled tiny groups are competent to represent to the highly educated, trained, experienced, the intellectual class of bureaucrats and tricky politicians in proper perceptions! The past three decades history proves some negative results on certain issues due to divisive forces were working within us. Due to this fungus, we lost recognition, sanction of funds stalled, we are not in a position to impress the authorities due to lack of unity among us. Whereas the small civilian groups achieving their demands within a short period with ease even on caste, community, race and religion planks shaking the democratically elected State as well as the Central Govts. Therefore, the ESM shall be very cautious before taking decision to join in these mushroom tiny segments of breakaway groups. These units are making immense damage to the ESM community. Their goal is just to accomplish self-needs but not to fulfill the welfare programmes of the ESM mass and their families.
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There are numerous of genuine problems, facing by the ESM especially the ORs/NCOs/JCOs/Hony Ranks/ECOs/SSCOs to be addressed at once. The problems which are many to be resolved by various Govt Agencies on different Forums on ‘MOST PRIORITY BASIS’ as they are half-Century old.
Today’s concept is ‘ONE WORLD-ONE RULE’ and Global Harmony, peace and tranquility and brotherhood. In our ESM community at some corners few tries to become a self-styled leader in a overnight without possessing the minimum required eligible criteria unlike the Politicians which is quite different phenomena of either muscle power, money power and other extra-constitutional intricacies. Politics as a science, may make a man a clever statesman, but it may not always enable him to discern true policy in his private concern. See the present trend, a vast political division across Indian territory–regional, sub-regional, divisional sub-divisional, local, sub-localwise for self-growth with ‘SCAMS’-caste-community-race-gender-religion committing political offences through municipal legislation and through executive modes.
There are tens of hundreds of ESM organization in our country from village to national level with different names and boards approaching/representing to the Govt agencies on different matters which are common, but what will be the impact on our community as a whole, is zero. Instead of be nucleus, if these small ESM organizations take ‘AFFILIATION’ with the national Forum like ‘NATIONAL EX-SERVICEMEN CO-ORDINATION COMMITTEE’ (Regd) & ‘ALL INDIA EX-SERVICEMEN BANK EMPLOYEES’ FEDERATION’ (Regd), as the case may be, keeping the individual’s identity intact without any disturbance, the results shall be tremendous and fruitful without any doubt. Success shall adorn through united forum with able leadership. Generally outside agencies apply ‘divide and rule’ policy, but here we are dividing ourselves without application or intervention of any outside force, sheerly for selfish and Self-styled leadership.
The time was already ripe for us to introspect that how our ESM become a potent tool in the hands of few self-styled leaders to divide our community. Why does, I ask, divisive forces within us play dirty role obstructing the lines of success, when we claim to have ushered in the present century. It needs to address to curb the rising denominationalism strife between the same class of community which may give pointing out to the entire ESM community. Therefore, it is my humble request on behalf of ‘NATIONAL EX-SERVICEMEN CO-ORDINATION COMMITTEE’ (Regd) & ‘ALL INDIA EX-SERVICEMEN BANK EMPLOYEES’ FEDERATION’ (Regd), to all individual ESM as well as other ESM group of organizations in the country come together to serve our community united, leaving behind individual ‘ego’ far far away. Awaiting positive response. With Best Wishes, E-in-C HMS 4 HMS
ALL INDIA EX-SERVICMEN BANK EMPLOYEES’FEDERATION
(Regd)
(Regd under Trade Union Act, 1926, Regd No. 10 of 1979)
(Affiliated to Central ‘NATIONAL EX-SERVICEMEN CO-ORDINATION COMMITTEE’ (Regd No. 2171 of 1997-98)
Central/Admn Office: H.NO.669, Flat No.203, Pooja Towers, St.No12, Himayatnagar, HYDERABAD: ANDHRA PRADESH: Ph: 040-27639832:
Mob: 099894 21354.
November 14th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
Dear Brothers
I happened to see an article in a Tamil Daily namely “Dinamani” dated 08 Nov 2011 that Supreme Court has issued verdict to the Govt. of India to implement OROP with in three months (i.e. prior to 01.01.2012) wef 01 Jan 2006.
Please confirm from reliable sources available to any of us.
November 14th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
Dear PDP Ganeshan, I had also read in Hindi Jagran about a week back that withjin 3 months all central government pensioners retired before 2006 will get the same pension as persons retired after 2006. But it was not in other papers nor there was any follow up in Dainik Jagran. It may be correct or as usual we are being shown a false promise !
November 15th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
DEAR FRIENDS,THIS JUDGEMENT IS FROM
CENTRAL ADMINISTRATIVE TRIBUNAL ONLY FOR CENTRAL GOVT.EMPLOYEES.NOW
THERE IS A BIG GAP IN PRE &POST DEFENCE PENSIONERS EVEN AFTER THE IMPROVEMENT OF PENSION WEF 1-7-2009
I HOPE G O I NEVER BOTHERS TO ADHERE THE JUDGEMENTS OR THEY GO ON APPEAL NOW AND THEN TIME AND AGAIN.
LET US HOPE FOR THE BEST.IS THERE ANY ONE WHO CAN GIVE A CLEAR PICTURE ON THIS CASE.
December 3rd, 2011 at 7:47 pm
respected sir, may be a gap but some body is saying that this verdict is only for civilian employs, not for defense, it is correct?
December 6th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Dear Brothers
As mentioned by Maj Saini Sahab, no other feed back flashed in any of the newspapers. Let us not consider so serious the news flashed.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:00 am
Dear All, This is very Good News from Central Government for all ex Servicemen. Some ex servicemen do not above this good news.
December 26th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Hello Brothers,
Since there is no other feed back reports on any news or newspaper, no one is clear whether it would be implemented by the Govt. for the civilians or not as well as it would be applicable for ex-servicemen or not. So, let us not start dreaming so seriously.
January 21st, 2012 at 7:35 am
i am Ex-subaderg ravi of EME retired on 31st Dec 2003 Premature retirement 17.4 years service .I desire to know how much i will be benefited by one rank one pension.and please inform the correct website ref.and also govt.orders issued on the subject.
and further new issues pls inform to me the my email id
January 21st, 2012 at 3:44 pm
dear friends,
all confusion.
only BJP has promised OROP to us.
We must vote BJP this time
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Dear Maj Saini Sir,
Would BJP announce the same in their election manifesto?
January 25th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Dear Ganeshan,
In uttarakhand Gen Khandoori has promised. But actual work will be done once BJP comes in power in Centre. I am voting for BJP this time.
January 30th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
the GOI would do on or before General Election to keep hold of vote bank of ex-servicemen
February 7th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Rohit Sarda
i could contect to mr bharat singh khatana who is fighting the case for the pension for last rank held even for one month he is at gurgoan
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